Is it worth it?

Here's my problem with the whole situation.

>RVP owes Wenger alot.....his success is in large part due to Wenger's vision of him as a player and the opportunities Wenger afforded him year after year despite disappointing seasons for whatever reason.

>That being said, as an individual he has the right to money and success, and if he feels that he can achieve more team success, while earning a higher wage elsewhere, it's his right to do so and it probably is in his best interest.

>At the very least though, because of what he owes Arsenal but more specifically Wenger, he should not publicly attempt to force a move and thus leave the club in a vulnerable state when negotiating a transfer. He should have had that courtesy at least in my opinion.Offers were always going to come in and Arsenal would've sold.

Le Samourai wrote:Here's my problem with the whole situation.

>RVP owes Wenger alot.....his success is in large part due to Wenger's vision of him as a player and the opportunities Wenger afforded him year after year despite disappointing seasons for whatever reason.

>That being said, as an individual he has the right to money and success, and if he feels that he can achieve more team success, while earning a higher wage elsewhere, it's his right to do so and it probably is in his best interest.

>At the very least though, because of what he owes Arsenal but more specifically Wenger, he should not publicly attempt to force a move and thus leave the club in a vulnerable state when negotiating a transfer. He should have had that courtesy at least in my opinion.Offers were always going to come in and Arsenal would've sold.

The handling is the only bad thing about it. The rest is fair game tbh

Have people even read my post? How many times do fans need to be told? Showing ambition doesn't have to mean that you have to approach world class players, but it could mean signing multiple players to improve the weak areas. Like I mentioned, Arsenal haven't signed a big name player in years, they have signed lowkey players and made them who they are. Henry, Fabregas, van Persie, Nasri etc.

Sequence of events:

- RVP questions the club's ambition
- Club goes out and buys 2 talented players with experience and who have undeniable quality
- RVP issues statement saying the club doesn't have enough ambition


You want me to believe that ambition is the reason here? It obviously isn't the main factor at all. If he wants to leave for money, he can go right ahead, but please don't try to feed me any of this ambition crap.

His manner in dealing with the whole situation was enough for him to be hated by almost all the Arsenal fan-base. That was his biggest mistake.

RVP didn't just wake up one day and say "Oh, I'm 29." He was present at the club for years, and always talked to the press about how much he loves the club. The club was at a MUCH worse state after the Nasri/Cesc/Clichy departures, but RVP stayed and that is commendable; however, the fact of the matter is that he was not bothered by the "lack of ambition" even at that point. After one great season, he suddenly feels that he is better than the club. While I have a problem with that , he is definitely not the first player to use Arsenal as some sort of stepping stone and he surely won't be the last. I accept that he has the right to want to do better, but knowing that he fed us years of BS on how he adored the club and only wanted to win with us doesn't sit well with me.

From a moral stand-point, even though it has little barring on the footballing world, RVP isn't looking to good

All due respect to a Ligue 1 stud and a goal legacy diety but they won't be enough if you're serious about winning the league.

Arsenal are in a tough place atm too good to be ignored but not good enough to seriously compete. It sucks but if you want the big players you pay the big wages. Why not alter the wage structure? Reallocate the budgets of say the academy etc and increase the wage bill. Take out a long term loan, let Usmanov buy you out and show you the money or get more sponsors.

That's the ambition we're talking about. Only about 4 players make more than 4/5 million at Madrid hell Pepe makes a "mere" million and a half. Madrid get away with it because they can tell the player that they can sign someone else. It's not easy but Arsenal can put themselves on top in negotiations if they showed some urgency.

Giroud and Podolski are going to get Arsenal competing for a league title?

II Capitano wrote:Have people even read my post? How many times do fans need to be told? Showing ambition doesn't have to mean that you have to approach world class players, but it could mean signing multiple players to improve the weak areas. Like I mentioned, Arsenal haven't signed a big name player in years, they have signed lowkey players and made them who they are. Henry, Fabregas, van Persie, Nasri etc.

Yea i read it. It was class pst and i pretty much agreed with everything you said.

You mean, by abandoning our philosophy just as it's about to bear fruit, we can compete? That's not really an option and our situation is not dire enough to take such an action.

Yes, Giroud and Podolski, combined with RVP, would have been a striker force that can very much win titles. RVP leaving changes that, but getting them proves our intentions. Him leaving after their purchase goes to show that his intentions were never really about "ambition". It's not so complex

We could have signed Kagawa and Hazard, Gotze and Cavani, Cazorla and Lewandowski and people would STILL question whether we could compete for titles

Likewise, if City or Chelsea had signed Giroud or Podolski, it would be known as the shrewdest bit of transfer business in ages and a great coup for either club

justdoit_ wrote:Giroud and Podolski are going to get Arsenal competing for a league title?

There are still 30+ days of transfer market.... you know. We're in for Cazorla and M'Vila.

correct me if i'm wrong but wasn't giroud only signed after several negotiations with van persie failed?

and you can't seriously think wenger will buy cazorla AND mvila after already dropping 25 mil on giroud and podolski...

urbaNRoots wrote:

justdoit_ wrote:Giroud and Podolski are going to get Arsenal competing for a league title?

There are still 30+ days of transfer market.... you know. We're in for Cazorla and M'Vila.

you want to ostracize Song dont you?

I do think Arsenal could make additional signings with the RVP money, maybe one, both Mvila and Cazorla would cost above 35M, which i cant see Arsenal spending. and even if i rate Cazorla very highly, still very underwhelming for Arsenal at the end of the day

Nah Song is fine... Arteta would be ostracized - but he would still get playing-time when Song goes to AFCON and rotation.

As for if Arsenal can't spend 35M, I think we can but will we? I don't think so... not because we don't want or can't but because Arsenal are cheap mofos and someone will snatch Cazorla up before we pay the money. Robin money + some other departures (Bendtner, Vela, Arshavin, Park) would make close to 30M.

Arsene said that we're still in for two players added and denied links with Cazorla and M'Vila (which means we're in )

Arteta is coming to Malaga as part of the deal so that ostracism is avoided.

Lex wrote:We could have signed Kagawa and Hazard, Gotze and Cavani, Cazorla and Lewandowski and people would STILL question whether we could compete for titles

Here's what will be said:

Kagawa - With all due respect to the Bundesliga, he still hasn't proven himself in the EPL and getting him doesn't show intentions

Hazard - With all due respect to Ligue 1, he is still an unproven talent and only has potential. This is one for the future and does not show intention in the near future

Etc. etc. etc.

The only players that would be deem us "ambitious" are Cavani and possibly Gotze. You have to spend 40m on one player to show ambition? Give me a break. It's getting ridiculous.

Here we go again with the statement of "not EPL proven". Hazard and Kagawa are legit talents, its up to the coach to decide what kind of system he wants to play and how to treat his players.

None is going to pay €35m for Cazorla..That is a ridiculous asking price.If thats the case then he would probably remain at Malaga.

35million for both Cazorla and M'Vila. Reportedly Cazorla could cost 15.6 million pounds.

Surag wrote:None is going to pay €35m for Cazorla..That is a ridiculous asking price.If thats the case then he would probably remain at Malaga.

how did you arrive at this arbitrary figure?

People paid 35 million for Milner tho

Nameless wrote:Here we go again with the statement of "not EPL proven". Hazard and Kagawa are legit talents, its up to the coach to decide what kind of system he wants to play and how to treat his players.

I don't mind, I'm just saying what will be said about those players if Arsenal sign them. We got Podolski and Giroud who are both legit talented players who have carried their teams at one point or another. Now that we have them, they're "not good enough" to challenge, which is just a bunch of rubbish if you ask me. You don't need to spend 40m on a player to challenge.

If Arsenal do sign Sahin and Cazorla, then I don't see how RVP can complain about not signing top players.

No he'll get a better contract.

It's the Rooney saga all over again

Vibe wrote:If he stays Tarnished his status for nothing...

Honestly though, it might not have been for nothing. Had RVP just simply resigned I don't think Wenger would have been so active going after great quality PROVEN well known players like he has. He had to prepare the team as if they were going to go on with out him, but now if he stays that is a massive bonus. They have a ton of talent now. And they could probably use another defender though to sure up the back line.

Nor would they given him the wage increase that they are probably willing to give him now. He held them hostage and honestly, if he stays then it looks like he got what he wanted and Arsenal probably benefited from it.

Vibe wrote:If he stays Tarnished his status for nothing...

more like fans were quick to throw him under the bus before anything actually happened.

vanDEEZ wrote:

Vibe wrote:If he stays Tarnished his status for nothing...

more like fans were quick to throw him under the bus before anything actually happened.

Well fans are an emotional bunch and football has that effect on most lives, tbf. Ever so often, Arsenal fans have been in a similar situation in the recent years that I can't fault the people who threw him under the bus. I know most did.

That said, it is still early to say that RvP is totally fault free in all this. In the coming weeks, we will know if these fans were right in their reaction, or acted impatiently and prematurely.