Re: Hoeness launches attack on the plastic clubs

by Yuri Yukuv Fri May 18, 2012 3:56 pm

che wrote:
Yuri Yukuv wrote:

As long as there is no automatic equalizing rules like in American sports such as drafting and salary caps then investors are a great thing and will be a thorn in the side of the oligopoly.

lol they're not a "thorn" for the oligopoly, they JOIN the oligopoly

the rest is still just as *bleep* as it was before, only now it has to deal with one more team that throws money at their players

There are structural problems with football in Europe today which I think most of us would like to see eradicated. However Bayern have never proposed to end these problems but merely hamper the competition.

When oligopolies become larger their characteristics are watered down and everyone has to work harder.

by Yuri Yukuv Fri May 18, 2012 4:00 pm

BAYERN_MUNICH wrote:
Zealous wrote:
BAYERN_MUNICH wrote:
Zealous wrote:In the grand scheme of things 750 million isn't a lot.

Yea and in the end if Spain has no more money, we and the EU have to pay with OUR taxes for you.

It's also a shame that top footballers like Ronaldo have to pay 24% taxes while the hard working people in Spain earn a lot less money. Very f*cked up the system there.

It has nothing to do with me lol

Also 24% is a lot when you earn millions a year.

I thought you live in Spain ..

http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fthemenfreund.de%2F2012%2F05%2F10%2Fdeutsche-steuerzahler-subventionieren-spanische-fussballklubs%2F

And if you think 24% is high, i guess you have never heard about taxes in other countries or read anything about economie.

Hollande from France wants to rise the tax for rich people to 75% for example, and you think 24 is much. xD

I think that after the past couple of the years it's clear that the European fiscal strategy is not sustainable or an example for everyone else. 24% is a bit low though, 30% to 40% is just right for top bracket

by Zealous Fri May 18, 2012 4:01 pm

BAYERN_MUNICH wrote:
Zealous wrote:
BAYERN_MUNICH wrote:
Zealous wrote:In the grand scheme of things 750 million isn't a lot.

Yea and in the end if Spain has no more money, we and the EU have to pay with OUR taxes for you.

It's also a shame that top footballers like Ronaldo have to pay 24% taxes while the hard working people in Spain earn a lot less money. Very f*cked up the system there.

It has nothing to do with me lol

Also 24% is a lot when you earn millions a year.

I thought you live in Spain ..

http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fthemenfreund.de%2F2012%2F05%2F10%2Fdeutsche-steuerzahler-subventionieren-spanische-fussballklubs%2F

And if you think 24% is high, i guess you have never heard about taxes in other countries or read anything about economie.

Hollande from France wants to rise the tax for rich people to 75% for example, and you think 24 is much. xD

No I don't live in Spain and I think 24% is high because I don't have to pay taxes eco smile

Anyway I said 24% of millions is a lot of money. Also lol at 75% taxes, that is never happening.

by kiranr Fri May 18, 2012 4:02 pm

Yuri Yukuv wrote:We are seeing Germans push down their moral superiority down our throats almost on a daily basis now, this is getting dangerous and frustrating. Deutschland is not über alles.

As long as there is no automatic equalizing rules like in American sports such as drafting and salary caps then investors are a great thing and will be a thorn in the side of the oligopoly.

I was just thinking the same thing.

by che Fri May 18, 2012 4:06 pm

Yuri Yukuv wrote:

When oligopolies become larger their characteristics are watered down and everyone has to work harder.

yeah, that's a very nice economic theory but when chelsea got rich and joined the top teams the rest of the league didn't magically improve with them

by BAYERN_MUNICH Fri May 18, 2012 4:11 pm

Its just kind of unfair for clubs like Dortmund , who have to work hard and for years to reach the top-level with lots of investments in the youth and good scouting, and then there comes a plastic club , buys about 8 top-strikers in 4 years and other high-payed players, without any own work.

by Swanhends Fri May 18, 2012 4:16 pm

che wrote:
Yuri Yukuv wrote:

When oligopolies become larger their characteristics are watered down and everyone has to work harder.

yeah, that's a very nice economic theory but when chelsea got rich and joined the top teams the rest of the league didn't magically improve with them

But the oligopoly got weaker - what used to be a 3 team oligopoly of Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool is now a 5 team oligopoly...as evidenced by the fact that out of the 3 original oligopoly teams, none of them won the title, one missed the champions league, and one barely squeaked in...

Are teams like Wigan/Sunderland/Everton any better off? Hell no
But I think the competition at the top has improved significantly

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Fri May 18, 2012 4:19 pm

Who are the 5 teams then Bhends?

by Doc Fri May 18, 2012 4:20 pm

I'm guessing Man City, Man Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal.

by Swanhends Fri May 18, 2012 4:22 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Who are the 5 teams then Bhends?

Doc wrote:I'm guessing Man City, Man Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal.

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Fri May 18, 2012 4:24 pm

Liverpool havent been involved in that shake up for a few years now......

I'd Argue Spurs have taken thier place.... unless you are talking about finance wise....

Didnt bother to read through the thread.

by Swanhends Fri May 18, 2012 4:29 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Liverpool havent been involved in that shake up for a few years now......

I'd Argue Spurs have taken thier place.... unless you are talking about finance wise....

Didnt bother to read through the thread.

Well there's no scientific formula or definitive answer lol...

I just think between global brand/finances/current success/future outlook you can safely label those five the oligopoly

by milanfan7 Sat May 19, 2012 11:34 am

Why do I always feel that the germans are extremely butthurt about how other clubs spend money? They should just mind their own business ffs.

by rwo power Sat May 19, 2012 11:36 am

milanfan7 wrote:They should just mind their own business ffs.

But exactly that's what we do - as football is a business, we mind that the playing ground gets skewed without FFP measures.

by Bellabong Sat May 19, 2012 12:03 pm

Zealous wrote:
BAYERN_MUNICH wrote:
Zealous wrote:
BAYERN_MUNICH wrote:
Zealous wrote:In the grand scheme of things 750 million isn't a lot.

Yea and in the end if Spain has no more money, we and the EU have to pay with OUR taxes for you.

It's also a shame that top footballers like Ronaldo have to pay 24% taxes while the hard working people in Spain earn a lot less money. Very f*cked up the system there.

It has nothing to do with me lol

Also 24% is a lot when you earn millions a year.

I thought you live in Spain ..

http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fthemenfreund.de%2F2012%2F05%2F10%2Fdeutsche-steuerzahler-subventionieren-spanische-fussballklubs%2F

And if you think 24% is high, i guess you have never heard about taxes in other countries or read anything about economie.

Hollande from France wants to rise the tax for rich people to 75% for example, and you think 24 is much. xD

No I don't live in Spain and I think 24% is high because I don't have to pay taxes

Anyway I said 24% of millions is a lot of money. Also lol at 75% taxes, that is never happening.

Never happening? My step-dad was in the 74% bracket right before he retired.

Scandinavia and Benelux have two things in common:

High Taxes in the World.
"Happiest" Population in the World.

by Zealous Sat May 19, 2012 12:05 pm

"Happiest" according to who?

by la bestia negra Sat May 19, 2012 12:14 pm

Phritz wrote:
Zealous wrote:
BAYERN_MUNICH wrote:
Zealous wrote:
BAYERN_MUNICH wrote:
Zealous wrote:In the grand scheme of things 750 million isn't a lot.

Yea and in the end if Spain has no more money, we and the EU have to pay with OUR taxes for you.

It's also a shame that top footballers like Ronaldo have to pay 24% taxes while the hard working people in Spain earn a lot less money. Very f*cked up the system there.

It has nothing to do with me lol

Also 24% is a lot when you earn millions a year.

I thought you live in Spain ..

http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fthemenfreund.de%2F2012%2F05%2F10%2Fdeutsche-steuerzahler-subventionieren-spanische-fussballklubs%2F

And if you think 24% is high, i guess you have never heard about taxes in other countries or read anything about economie.

Hollande from France wants to rise the tax for rich people to 75% for example, and you think 24 is much. xD

No I don't live in Spain and I think 24% is high because I don't have to pay taxes

Anyway I said 24% of millions is a lot of money. Also lol at 75% taxes, that is never happening.

Never happening? My step-dad was in the 74% bracket right before he retired.

Scandinavia and Benelux have two things in common:

High Taxes in the World.
"Happiest" Population in the World.

What if it's a corrupt country like take Jordan for example highest taxes yet shit standards

by chemicalboy99 Sat May 19, 2012 6:57 pm

RED 80s. wrote:
animal.crackers wrote:
RED 80s. wrote:City basically won the lottery. The Michael Carroll(google him) of football. A team with as much history as Huddersfield Town.

They just got lucky that some Billionaire Arab decided to play real life Football Manager...on cheat mode.

With Chelsea it's kinda different, atleast they were playing CL football and competing for a top 4 place before Abramovic came.
Maybe City won the lottery, so what?

Does that make you bitter? Does that make your blood boil?

I loved it when so many hypocritical United fans were loving it when they heard the Qatar rumours.

And City had a lot of things going for it. It's not like the owners decided to invest money into some random club.

Nice stadium, very solid fanbase, free marketing potential, etc.

Football manager with cheat mode? *bleep* off. City are spending in 5 years the inflated equivalent of what clubs spend in 20 years to catch back up to WHERE WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ALL ALONG (until our owner in the 70's fukced us sideways).

So because Chelsea were top 4 it's okay for them to be backed by billions? Sound logic.

Let's be real, pal. The Sheiks only bought City because they saw 'Manchester' in your name and thought to themselves "hey, we can try and make our own Manchester United here" I doubt they even knew of your club before they enquired about it.

Before they came, your stadium was given to you by the council and you didn't sell out your home games (you still can't even with your current success) and you were languishing 11th and 12th place.

Cheat mode on, and voila, you've won an FA Cup and the championship in 3 years.

Just stating facts.

There's one or two errors here but hey you're not from Manchester so you wouldn't really know.

Firstly the stadium was not given to us as you smugly suggest. The council aquired the land Maine Road was built on and took every penny from any crowd over 33,000 at the Eithad until this season where by we now just give the council £2 Million per season. However we probably save that and more over the course of the season due to the council's obligation to pay for stadium repairs.

Averaging 45,000 crowds with no success to back it up for 35 years is pretty good in my book. At least we knew the stadium wasn't full of the prawn sandwich bridage which gives the swamp it's unique library style atmosphere we've all come to know and laugh at.

Thanks to his majesty it's only taken him 3 and a half years to knock you off your perch so much so that if you come to the Etihad nowadays and get a shot on target it's a result.

I bet he's pretty miffed it wasn't more of a challenge. Laughing