THE AXING HAMMER IS COMING !

Arq I get what your saying completely and I have been one of the few who always supported Allegri and tried to understand why he is doing what he is doing.

But today just made me snap. You guys were saying Cassano was not fit but nowhere did I read he was not fit. Our 3 man defensive midfield is getting ridiculous. Why is Muntari a starter? SULLEY MUNTARI is a starter AT MILAN! That is embarrassing, I am sorry, I used to laugh at Inter having a player like that on their team.

Everything went wrong for us tonight, and after the two injuries and less than 35 minutes, I knew it just wasn't our night. Two subs used up in the first half, just didn't look good. I know Max probably had is usual "tactic" where he will sub in two forwards towards the last ten minutes and after those two subs were used up his plan was destroyed.

Arq you say that Allegri can't do anything else with his formations, yet all we keep buying are defensive mids!! How can we ever change that formation when there are no attacking minded midfielders coming in! Why? Why would we sell Aquilani!? He is at a very reasonable price and he really has potential to help Milan! We have absolutely no creativity! Ibra was running back to the midfield all game to get SOMETHING going!

Anyways I am done ranting, the entire management and medical staff NEEDS a shake up badly, and if that doesn't happen this summer, I don't expect us to win much next year.

The delusion in this thread is strong

All I'm reading is irrational complaints that are being directed at the wrong person. Some of you are acting like a new coach is going to resolve our lack of talent. I don't really have much to add to this conversation as Arq has pretty much said it all. I think it would be best if certain posters took a day or two to settle down and let the anger and disappointment pass.

Cant blame Allegri with these crap players and amateur defensive mistakes.Abate has the brain of a 17 y/o defender

First thing in my mind is: the entire medical team needs to be fired. End of story.


I am not Allegri's biggest fan and I think that he can be totally clueless at times, but I don't think we should sack him as the injuries played a big part in our trophy less season. He should be given one more year to sort things out.

Moreover, the old guard needs to leave. Enough is enough. They have to move on as does the club. We need youth, talent and most important of all: desire to win titles.

In a way this loss is important, and it sends a big message to B&G to wake the F up.

I can't speak for everyone else posting, but I am not saying it is ONLY Allegri's fault, I definitely don't feel that way. The old guard, the medical staff, the old guard, B&G, and Allegri. This loss may have been for the best, I hope it wakes up B&G.

Tigole wrote:First thing in my mind is: the entire medical team needs to be fired. End of story.

This.

•MilanDevil• wrote:

Tigole wrote:First thing in my mind is: the entire medical team needs to be fired. End of story.

This.

speaking of injury situation, actually our old medical staff was dismissed and Tavana Rodolfo joined just last year which was announced in official website, it was mentioned that he was part of medical team in late 90s.. something like that.

i dont necessarily blame the new medical team, rather i guess we were unlucky with injury timing. but obviously medical team and recovery team ... like personal trainers, physios, chiropractors, these injury preventers needs to also review their situation on how they handed injury situation and ways they can improve like on training schemes, diet, programs, personal programs, therapy so on. i think it needs to be reviewed massively. they need to make a list of what went wrong and what are the ways they can improve, im sure they will have pages of reviews they can improve on.

and they also need to tell our sporting staffs, coach and assistant coach that even our players are fit, obviously i read in milan site that all players after the game, their fitness, health, injury situation are examined and monitored frequently, so what i want to know if there is any risk of possible injury in the future, they need to ask coach firmly to play him less, tell coach the ways to utilize players to protect players from possible injuries. we have seen conte often do that with a bit of rotation, we have seen coaches of big club often doing that, like guardiola.

prime examples in big clubs are how messi xavi are handled. i read in goal.com how their medical team handled top players like messi ahead of anyone else, and it was a good read.

we need to follow the suit.

well i hope milan can also present article on full medical report of this season so we know what the case is.

this season game aside, i am very much against untimely international official games, or preseason or in season friendly club games. i think to promote the club might do great deal but i feel it just destroys our players.

and lets not forget we have more players over 30s... or nearing 30.... and i always fear injury of players like silva, nocerino, antonini is often injured.

also i read somewhere that allegri ways of training session is physically harsher. dont know whether that is true or not. not mentioning the fact that important players are often not protected well by allegri to prevent injury by playing them way too much.

any opinion on medical situation is welcome i would like to know more from all of u guys.

hmmm

What does medical staff , luck and referees has to do with the FACT that we didn't beat Inter , Juve , Lazio or Napoli this season and that we only managed to get 3 points off them out of a possible 24 ... how in G*DS name can you not blame the coach for this..

" we lost against an unbeaten team ", i don't understand this we had a 4 point advantage going into the home stretch over this "unbeaten team". Juve were mentally prepared and stepped up a lvl in terms of performance and efficiency. We on the other hand regressed to the point where fielding a midfield trio of Sulley Muntari , Nocerino and Mvb can be described as tactically sufficient.

The defense was crap this year, and unlike last season we didn't stop conceding after the second half of the season.

Arq i really can't see how you can possibly defend Allegri's choice of playing Thiago for 120 mins in a Coppa game, but rest Zlatan( only played 45 mins) and then claim it was an important game. That game , with regards to other competitions we were still competing in, was of the lowest priority especially after we lost the home tie.

Zlatan nearly won us the league on his own he scored a 2x as many goals as all our forwards combined, ironic that in his greatest individual season he lost the league title.

Next season we'll see minor changes imo

To say that this year was a bad fitness year for Milan is a gigantic understatement.

Milan players were destroyed as if playing Football is equal to being hit by angry birds. Did anyone truly get away with it?

Nesta was never match-fit in 2011-12.
Just like Pato.
Just like Seedorf.
Just like Zambrotta.
Just like Ambrosini.
Just like (...) .


Let's put the three extreme cases aside, i.e. Pato, Cassano and Gattuso are out of the discussion because theirs weren't normal problems.

But really, WTF happened to Thiago, Prince, Robinho, Aquilani, Abate, Seedorf, Ambrosini, Van Bommel, Antonini, Merkel, Maxi, Abbiati, Yepes and Flamini?

Specially the last two who ruptured their ACLs apparently.


I mean, is San Siro's turf really such a slaughterhouse, or maybe some African wizard has made this happen to us?

Is there a credible institute who specialize in analyzing a club's all-round performance during a competitive season? If there ever was one, I guess no club needed it more than we do.

And it's not something new.

Maybe it's Tognaccini (our chief fitness coach)? Maybe Milan Lab needs a revamp? Maybe...?

Somebody oughta do something here. This shit can't go on.

How many more lost seasons can we attribute to injuries and/or appalling form? Can we finally analyze a coach's actual performance accurately without mentioning all the injury crises he faced during the season?


Dunno about you, but I'm extremely sick and tired of this situation.

I think much of our injuries was due to our first season under Allegri, we paid the price for the type of football we played. We put in allot of physical effort and worked tremendously hard defensively, it was bound to take a toll on us.

Also many of our Brazilians was part of the national team set up and played the Copa and various friendlies as a result our best defender got burnt up.

I wouldn't put injuries as the sole reason why we lost the title, because we have the biggest squad in all of Italy and we held an advanatage over Juve that should not have been overturned in the space of a week .

Our first piece of business this summer should be driving assassin muntari back to the inter offices in the best available audi. I always knew we will loose d league with him in d team. Thank you very much ALI, you've truly played ur part

i'm also beginning to wonder why abate always *bleep* up against milito

on a sidenote, i think de sciglio was really good last night and can develop even further

Though injuries played a part in diminishing our chances, the real problem was with the lack of quality within the squad.
We had our chance at the top of d league but screwed up big time and i can only blame it all on allegri.
good thing we put up a fight though. I just hope we have a better season next year.... FORZA MILAN

Rossoneri Ninja wrote:hmmm

What does medical staff , luck and referees has to do with the FACT that we didn't beat Inter , Juve , Lazio or Napoli this season and that we only managed to get 3 points off them out of a possible 24 ... how in G*DS name can you not blame the coach for this.

The players have to take as much responsibility as Max in those games, he can't be blamed for our horrendous finishing in the matches against Lazio and the second tie against Napoli, the individual errors of experienced players who should simply have done better and constant injury problems attacking our line-up like the plague. Do I blame Allegri for our season and for our performance in big games? I definitely object to many of the things he's done, however for all the talk that we're proud of our player's efforts, it must also be said that plenty of them played way below their potential in crucial games. Allegri definitely cops the blame for things he can control, but when he sends out a team that has no right not to get the job done and they bottle it there's little he can do. In my eyes he still blew it, but we also collectively blew it and importantly might I add, we blew it in great company. Dummy Allegri in fact has some of the most prestigious company in world football this season.

Allegri was culpable for this title, but Conte was also culpable for keeping us in it. Guardiola's obsession with Lolbregas disrupted both their CL and La Liga campaigns, made the side even more Messi dependent and lost them both trophies. Sound like some familiar accusations? I bet Pep must be an incompetent moron who lucked out on a great group of players. Mourinho's midfield was rolled by Munich and some of his answers included playing Di Maria centrally and sending out an identical side in the hope of blasting past them somehow by birthright and talent. Sounding familiar?

Heynckes had his behind handed to him by Dortmund in the league, Kloppo couldn't get his side for all its talent past Olympiakos in the group stage, Ferguson and Mancini were beyond impotent in Europe, Wenger's side blew up for the eighth year running, Mazzari ran his players into the ground, misspent funds and couldn't motivate his side at the sight of a CL quarter final.

So precisely who the hell do you people want and who the hell in world football is good enough for our job which requires perfection to avoid having your head bitten off? One more mention of Capello and Cassano may as well pack his bags. AVB anyone? Bielsa? Benitez? Luis Enrique? Let's give them nothing to work with, sack them after a year then start on the next one.

Oh, the final name's an oldie but a goody. Carlo. Carlo Ancelotti, the coach who brought us European glory. He was also the coach who brought in the league only once, led us to UEFA Cup qualification and wouldn't integrate youth into the side if you held a gun to his head. He's currently leading PSG to nothing.

There is no perfect manager waiting with a Colgate smile, attacking football and a degree from Cambridge to lead us back to glory.

Btw Ninja, this post about knee-jerkiness of some of us is in no way aimed at you, the point of blowing big games was just a good place to start in terms of dealing with the failure of a host of managers throughout Europe, who similarly deserve to be let off for their mistakes.

one or two times of tactical mistake is acceptable, even third or four times. and there is a limit to it, this tactical error has been going on the beginning of the season, and disaster struck since the lecce away win. whether people like it or not, thats their opinion which i respect, my point of view, is that allegri is far more responsible for not just loosing game of most importance, but also how we play, the creativity the vision the quality the possession game which ultimately dictates the game, is non existent in allegri book, and prime reason why our midfield has been so awfully poor physical no creativity and prime reason why we lost pirlo.

i cant be more happier for pirlo for the fact that he has proven allegri so wrong and had a last laugh.

if this whole idea of allegri playing his ultra conservative defensive minded midfield concept were to continue i am convinced even with less injury milan will continue to loose game of huge importance, and it will always be a huge burden to star performers like silva and ibra. i dont care about small games because most of the time solo performance of ibra robinho or cassano would win us game anyway. when we are playing with big teams, we need team effort we need creativity in it

my stance since the beginning of this season has unchanged on allegri. he is making our team play too physical game with less creativity and quality kind of a team which reminds me of inter of mancini era, this disgusts me which will never ever win us big games ....

enough said ....

dostoevsky wrote:

Rossoneri Ninja wrote:hmmm

What does medical staff , luck and referees has to do with the FACT that we didn't beat Inter , Juve , Lazio or Napoli this season and that we only managed to get 3 points off them out of a possible 24 ... how in G*DS name can you not blame the coach for this.

The players have to take as much responsibility as Max in those games, he can't be blamed for our horrendous finishing in the matches against Lazio and the second tie against Napoli, the individual errors of experienced players who should simply have done better and constant injury problems attacking our line-up like the plague. Do I blame Allegri for our season and for our performance in big games? I definitely object to many of the things he's done, however for all the talk that we're proud of our player's efforts, it must also be said that plenty of them played way below their potential in crucial games. Allegri definitely cops the blame for things he can control, but when he sends out a team that has no right not to get the job done and they bottle it there's little he can do. In my eyes he still blew it, but we also collectively blew it and importantly might I add, we blew it in great company. Dummy Allegri in fact has some of the most prestigious company in world football this season.

Allegri was culpable for this title, but Conte was also culpable for keeping us in it. Guardiola's obsession with Lolbregas disrupted both their CL and La Liga campaigns, made the side even more Messi dependent and lost them both trophies. Sound like some familiar accusations? I bet Pep must be an incompetent moron who lucked out on a great group of players. Mourinho's midfield was rolled by Munich and some of his answers included playing Di Maria centrally and sending out an identical side in the hope of blasting past them somehow by birthright and talent. Sounding familiar?

Heynckes had his behind handed to him by Dortmund in the league, Kloppo couldn't get his side for all its talent past Olympiakos in the group stage, Ferguson and Mancini were beyond impotent in Europe, Wenger's side blew up for the eighth year running, Mazzari ran his players into the ground, misspent funds and couldn't motivate his side at the sight of a CL quarter final.

So precisely who the hell do you people want and who the hell in world football is good enough for our job which requires perfection to avoid having your head bitten off? One more mention of Capello and Cassano may as well pack his bags. AVB anyone? Bielsa? Benitez? Luis Enrique? Let's give them nothing to work with, sack them after a year then start on the next one.

Oh, the final name's an oldie but a goody. Carlo. Carlo Ancelotti, the coach who brought us European glory. He was also the coach who brought in the league only once, led us to UEFA Cup qualification and wouldn't integrate youth into the side if you held a gun to his head. He's currently leading PSG to nothing.

There is no perfect manager waiting with a Colgate smile, attacking football and a degree from Cambridge to lead us back to glory.

Btw Ninja, this post about knee-jerkiness of some of us is in no way aimed at you, the point of blowing big games was just a good place to start in terms of dealing with the failure of a host of managers throughout Europe, who similarly deserve to be let off for their mistakes.

it sure felt like it

I think you misunderstood my point Dosto, i don't want to see Allegri sacked, but i wanted to see improvement in our performances and rectify some of the mistakes we made.

I agree the knee jerkiness is at a all time high after the reality is sinking in that we will end the season without a title. However you must admit there was a culmination of errors during our season, overall i think there was just a pure lack of focus , or rather the intensity of our game was missing for much of the season.

Its a fair point that you make about Allegri only being held accountable for the things he could control, so lets discuss it.

Player management was terrible, several of our players got burnt out before the crucial title run in of games. Injuries certainly had its influence here, however its been well established that allegri's training methods are quite physically arduous in nature.

EDIT: family emergency will finish later

Sorry man, in truth only about the first few sentences were a real response to your post then I just started ranting in general.

I hope the family emergency pans out OK and is just a false alarm. I'll try and continue on with what you've posted though.

Player management is an intriguing issue and it's one that I'll try and work through to show both of Max's sides. Max can be seen in two lights, as obstinate or patient with some elements of our team, which leads to neglect or fear of other viewpoints. There are some cases which are simple to focus on, those of burn-outs or simply overuse. Thiago Silva, Nocerino and Ibra seemed to be glued to the starting sheet regardless of the opposition, whilst Seedorf saw too many consecutive minutes on too many occasions.

I do believe that a better run with injuries would have enabled Max to rectify these issues of overuse, however I do believe that Max did essentially attempt to dodge tough decisions when he chose to play the sides he did. It is, however, I contend, consistent with the decision making of almost every manager still competing on multiple fronts. We often talk of the depth of the big sides, however how often do we see it employed in a truly significant fashion? The only big teams who have had games with huge rotations were Chelsea, Munich and Barcelona, all once they had no league goal to attain. Not even Real Madrid and City, who have the best benches in football, rotate that much. If Max had been able to count on a full compliment in midfield, Mexes throughout and a fully fit Pato and Cassano, we would have seen moderate, healthy rotation, however it was in a sense a culmination of the pressures of injuries, multiple competitions and poor results which ensured the pressure was relentless that saw us burn out individuals and burn out our spirit as a team at times.

Allegri's training methods should be examined, however it's not simply an issue of training the squad hard. Conte demands equally rigorous training sessions however his team were barely scratched. Certainly an issuethat needs to be examined in conjunction with our medical staff.

Max's ways do have their stars though. Boateng has never looked so good and it must be said that many of us had very highly raised eyebrows when Max decided to give him the role of trequartista and to give him all the time he needed to grow into the role. Throughtout last summer many wanted a new AM, they even thought that Prince's start justified their calls for a trequartista. Allegri has gotten more out of Prince than I would have ever have seen in him at first glance. I believe that his use of Emanuelson was an example of Max backing his ability and showing trust in a player. I've always thought that he'd be useful as a LCM, combining his greatest qualities which are his movement and dribbling with the flair of our front three, rather than being relied upon as the creative fulcrum and exposing his lack of vision. However to his credit he's had some good games in between matches which made me want to claw my eyes out. I respect however that Allegri backs his judgements and gives them the tiome they need to come to fruition, even if it takes more than a season as with Prince. I personally believe that if he's given the right resources he'll be able to produce a very stable and competitive reign, however his willingness to back himself leads to him neglecting players and other ideas. Every strength has its weakness and this one can be critical at times.

SES, Aquilani, Merkel, the use of Muntari, Emanuelson, Seedorf, Pato. Each case has its subtleties and we're burdened by our absence at training sessions, to see the dedication of players day in, day out, their performances, compatibility with experiments and attitudes, our limited access to the assurances or lack of given to Allegri by medical personnel. I've brought these points up however I'll leave it as it is perhaps and wait for your thoughts in the mean time othterwise the post will get to be too long.

Im back, thanks for the concern, my Mother nearly fainted at work ( high blood pressure), had to take her back home. She's fine now.

The more i think about the season and with regards to everything that has happened, the more i realise how much fate forced our hand and more much importantly Allegri's hand as well. I agree with you, that it was a culmination of things that led to the over use of certain players. Given that our start to the season was a bag of mixed signs, we played poorly in Serie A but managed to put up a classy performance in the Cl against Barcelona.

The poor start effectively set the tone for the rest of the season. The injuries being what they were, could have been less of a factor had we made more use of the January transfer window. Correct me if I'm wrong but management knew Cassano , Flamini, Strasser ( was brought back injured ), Gattuso and Pato ( although to a lessser extent) were not going to play for atleast 3 more months, yet we only brought in Muntari, Maxi, Merkel, Mesbah and Strasser, in terms of the quality lost and gained I'd say the players brought in to relieve us were of inadequate ability. Galliani must be held accountable for this , although again i can't blame him if he is constrained by financial problems.

The training methods employed by Allegri is not something i frown upon, but rather was highlighting as a factor that contributed to our injury woes. Juve were fortunate to avoid injuries, if they were as you say using the same training methods as we do. At the end of the day its just a risk a coach takes for the better of the whole team.

Max does have good qualities and his methods did bare some fruit. K.P as you already mentioned thrives in is methods of training and the team's style of play. I don't know if you watch our training sessions, but every time during a training session Boateng always seems to be the dominant force.

I disagree entirely on the use of urby as a TQ. Imo i saw the whole experiment as a failure, i know it sounds harsh but Urby doesn't not even have enough quality to start as a proper LCM for us. Considering the situation we were in, this was another situation where Allegri's hand was forced. I firmly believe he only intended for Urby to play a couple of games for us at TQ until K.P got back the problem as we all found out was K.P getting injured or rather his recovery time was continually set back. Had K.P's injury been a more lengthy one he would / should have possible changed the formation preferably to 4-4-2 ( flat).

Allegri does have his strengths , most of which Iras has already explained. That grit and unwillingness to give up. His lack of motivational skills is something that he will have to develop as he goes along in his coaching career.

This season has been a culmination of many things, individual mistakes, lack of focus, player management, inadequate squad reinforcements , injuries , the pressure of being defending champions, tactical inflexibility and ofc a natural drop of form from certain key players ( Robinho, MvB, Nesta, Abate, Pato).

Thats enough for this post i'll give someone else a chance to post


Edit: I nearly lost this post due to inactivity laawls

Glad to hear she's alright.

I do agree with you in terms of Urby personally in terms of his quality, however I did see a potential justification for the move to someone who did like him. He's not my sort of midfielder in the end, however it is the job of the manager to utilise strengths and hide weaknesses.

I have been disappointed throughout the season at the lack of chances that have been afforded to players who have the potential to improve our line-up but whose inclusion may cause short term losses. The constant pressure our side was under really cost us in this department, but next year I'd like to see a couple of more players like SES who are hungry and can put pressure on those in our team and have the time needed to really create an environment where the players are driving each other to higher limits. We can't afford to coast and Max's substitutions need to improve when it comes to sharing time. More importantly, his substitutions need to improve in breaking open games, however that's a topic for another post.

I remember having said this maybe in 2010 or 09, that we need clarity on the part of the club.

If Galliani gives one of his famous interviews where he talks about everything, and tell fans to be patient for 3 years and don't expect titles until the likes of SES, De Sciglio, Merkel and even Pato, are ready enough to help Milan REALLY fight for trophies, then they will see nobody will curse at them, but there's no such thing.

Alex Ferguson CREATES generation after generation of top players, with the help of his old guard (like Giggs & Scholes), his middle-aged guard (like Evra & Vidic) and his at-their-best guard (like Rooney & Fletcher).

Therefore, when SAF's team fail to get through to the knock-out stages of UCL, nobody would say the oldman's lost it. They know everything's going according to the plan.

Why can't we do that?

Giving time to Merkels and Shaarawies will not be probably risky, it will be definitely risky, but it will pay dividends too, I can personally guarantee that after having witnessed the growth of youthful teams in the past.

Seedorfs and Nestas are not needed here in the process of revamping the squad, they are pivotal, vital dare I say.

Abate, after his debut as a right-back in 2009 under Leonardo, said, "Sandro helped and guided me throughout the whole 90 minutes on how to move, when to intervene and when to roam forward...".

Ironically, De Sciglio said the exact same thing last week.
Now can you say the old guard is only getting money and return nothing at all?

Well, the same 36-year-old Nesta showed the likes of Thiago and Pique how it's done (to perfection) against Barca, in some of the most accomplished, unforgettable performances of his career, and certainly the best defensive masterclasses of 2011-12.

But pity that there's no such clarity from the club's side, hence the current incoherence and state of up-in-the-air-ness that's been plaguing us for at least the last 5 years.


We must throw out the useless, keep (and cherish) the useful and pay heavily to acquire the promising, otherwise we're dead in this FFP-hit climate.

I would tolerate all the pressure of going to Serie-B if it meant we will come back with a stunning bang. Barcelona didn't become Barcelona as soon as Pep stepped in back in 2008, they became Barcelona when they were teaching 12-year-old Xavi how to pass the ball correctly in 1992.

De Sciglio is only a glimpse of what investing in youth could bear, we still have Rodrigo Ely, Calvano, Beretta and even Christian Maldini among others.

Only time will tell, but I believe with a chain-like treatment of the youth sector and having a familiar face as the first team coach, we can go far.

Let's not forget that, if Lionel Messi came from La Masia, Captain Maldini came from our very own Primavera.

dostoevsky wrote:

The players have to take as much responsibility as Max in those games, he can't be blamed for our horrendous finishing in the matches against Lazio and the second tie against Napoli, the individual errors of experienced players who should simply have done better and constant injury problems attacking our line-up like the plague. Do I blame Allegri for our season and for our performance in big games? I definitely object to many of the things he's done, however for all the talk that we're proud of our player's efforts, it must also be said that plenty of them played way below their potential in crucial games. Allegri definitely cops the blame for things he can control, but when he sends out a team that has no right not to get the job done and they bottle it there's little he can do. In my eyes he still blew it, but we also collectively blew it and importantly might I add, we blew it in great company. Dummy Allegri in fact has some of the most prestigious company in world football this season.

Allegri was culpable for this title, but Conte was also culpable for keeping us in it. Guardiola's obsession with Lolbregas disrupted both their CL and La Liga campaigns, made the side even more Messi dependent and lost them both trophies. Sound like some familiar accusations? I bet Pep must be an incompetent moron who lucked out on a great group of players. Mourinho's midfield was rolled by Munich and some of his answers included playing Di Maria centrally and sending out an identical side in the hope of blasting past them somehow by birthright and talent. Sounding familiar?

Heynckes had his behind handed to him by Dortmund in the league, Kloppo couldn't get his side for all its talent past Olympiakos in the group stage, Ferguson and Mancini were beyond impotent in Europe, Wenger's side blew up for the eighth year running, Mazzari ran his players into the ground, misspent funds and couldn't motivate his side at the sight of a CL quarter final.

So precisely who the hell do you people want and who the hell in world football is good enough for our job which requires perfection to avoid having your head bitten off? One more mention of Capello and Cassano may as well pack his bags. AVB anyone? Bielsa? Benitez? Luis Enrique? Let's give them nothing to work with, sack them after a year then start on the next one.

Oh, the final name's an oldie but a goody. Carlo. Carlo Ancelotti, the coach who brought us European glory. He was also the coach who brought in the league only once, led us to UEFA Cup qualification and wouldn't integrate youth into the side if you held a gun to his head. He's currently leading PSG to nothing.

There is no perfect manager waiting with a Colgate smile, attacking football and a degree from Cambridge to lead us back to glory.

Btw Ninja, this post about knee-jerkiness of some of us is in no way aimed at you, the point of blowing big games was just a good place to start in terms of dealing with the failure of a host of managers throughout Europe, who similarly deserve to be let off for their mistakes.

what a fine post .
I can only but applaud the clear image you have about football and Milan mate . If only more people could get it .

The only reason we lost the league is because Pirlo :vagi: us...
he :vagi: us BIG TIME ... :vagi: ........