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Swanhends wrote:I dont think its outrageous to put Ben Arfa and Suarez in a similar grouping

Yes it is.Suarez is the best player of one of the best NT in the world and the best player in Copa America.Ben Afra couldnt get regular time in an average french team.

Swanhends wrote:I dont think its outrageous to put Ben Arfa and Suarez in a similar grouping

It is.

Suarez is proven at World Cup, best player if Coppa America, and already Uruguay's all time top scorer (or 2 goals away from it) at age of 25.

He's also 2 times Holland Champion, and top scorer in a I KNOW, weak Dutch league.


At this moment of time, Suarez has achieved a lot lot more in the game than Ben Arfa. He's proven himself in more levels than Ben Arfa.

Talent wise it isn't but accomplishment wise it is..... Ben Arfa will never reach his full potential playing so deep so it's a moot argument anyway.

Ben Arfa has won 5 League titles (he only played a prominent role in 2 of those though).

He's easily France's 2nd best winger after Ribery. Who's better Malouda? That scrub Menez?

He was seen as an equal talent to Benzema before his move to Marseille but because of attitude problems & the fact that he's a lockeroom cancer he's never really fulfilled his early potential.

He's had abit of a resurgence at Newcastle though and I can see him moving to a bigger club in 1-2 years if Newcastle stagnant.

Since when did Suarez win 2 League titles btw?

Played a grand total of 66 minutes for France in Euro 2012.

Blanc , in the words of Gil.

Shite Manager.

HBA doesn't have the International pedigree of Suarez, no doubt...but thats a two sided coin, Ben Arfa's domestic achievements are definitely superior to those of Suarez - didn't HBA win the league with Lyon and then again with Marseille?

BeautifulGame wrote:Played a grand total of 66 minutes for France in Euro 2012.

France has been a train wreck for like 6 years now. His lack of inclusion in that mess is a positive, not a negative...

BeautifulGame wrote:Played a grand total of 66 minutes for France in Euro 2012.

Tbf that's more to do with Blanc being a pussy and playing RB's on the wing more than Ben Arfa not being good enough.

Anyway no one will ever get the best out of him until he's actually played close to goal and not so f*cking deep that he has to run past 5 players for something to actually happen.

The mere fact he has completed 11 dribbles already in 2 games is ridiculous enough in itself.

Swanhends wrote:HBA doesn't have the International pedigree of Suarez, no doubt...but thats a two sided coin, Ben Arfa's domestic achievements are definitely superior to those of Suarez - didn't HBA win the league with Lyon and then again with Marseille?

No it isnt.Suarez performance levels for Ajax is much superior to anything Ben Afra's done at Lyon or Marseille.

Yes the dutch league is much more attack minded than Ligue 1 but its not like French league is overall such a superior league for that much gulf in performances.

French league is miles better than the dutch league it's not even comparable... There's a reason players that are successful in the french league more often than not are successful in La Liga, PL and Serie A and in Holland it's a rare occurrence.

However Suarez's performances where of a much superior level.

But i never said anything to the contrary all i said is talent alone is not enough to be considered world class and i used Ben Arfa as an example as he has a world class talent but hasn't fulfilled it for one reason or another.

Ben Arfa needs to move to a top club though.

Did Ben Arfa actually do anything of note in the French league ?

Just because Suarez isn't world class we're comparing him with HBA? Suarsex is much better than him. It shouldn't even be a question.

mtfootball wrote:Ben Arfa needs to move to a top club though.

Newcastle finished 13 points ahead of Liverpool last season...

Swanhends wrote:

mtfootball wrote:Ben Arfa needs to move to a top club though.

Newcastle finished 13 points ahead of Liverpool last season...

and Lazio finished a few points above Inter last season :I'munoriginal:

BarrileteCosmico wrote:Just because Suarez isn't world class we're comparing him with HBA? Suarsex is much better than him. It shouldn't even be a question.

No one is comparing to him, all i said is talent is not enough alone to be considered world class and used Ben Arfa as an example....

But as usual people struggle to read.

Swanhends wrote:

mtfootball wrote:Ben Arfa needs to move to a top club though.

Newcastle finished 13 points ahead of Liverpool last season...

ANd we won a trophy..When did Newcastle last did that

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:

BarrileteCosmico wrote:Just because Suarez isn't world class we're comparing him with HBA? Suarsex is much better than him. It shouldn't even be a question.

No one is comparing to him, all i said is talent is not enough alone to be considered world class and used Ben Arfa as an example....

But as usual people struggle to read.

Actually there were posts comparing Ben Afra with Suarez.Not by u though.

Schweini wrote:

Swanhends wrote:

mtfootball wrote:Ben Arfa needs to move to a top club though.

Newcastle finished 13 points ahead of Liverpool last season...

and Lazio finished a few points above Inter last season :I'munoriginal:

Yes, but I'm not on here claiming Hernanes needs to leave Lazio because they aren't a "big club," am I?

BeautifulGame wrote:

Swanhends wrote:

mtfootball wrote:Ben Arfa needs to move to a top club though.

Newcastle finished 13 points ahead of Liverpool last season...

ANd we won a trophy..When did Newcastle last did that

Technically we won a trophy in pre season

BeautifulGame wrote:

Swanhends wrote:

mtfootball wrote:Ben Arfa needs to move to a top club though.

Newcastle finished 13 points ahead of Liverpool last season...

ANd we won a trophy..When did Newcastle last did that

Yeah your Carling Cup clearly makes up for finishing 13 points below...come on now

Swanhends wrote:

BeautifulGame wrote:

Swanhends wrote:

mtfootball wrote:Ben Arfa needs to move to a top club though.

Newcastle finished 13 points ahead of Liverpool last season...

ANd we won a trophy..When did Newcastle last did that

Yeah your Carling Cup clearly makes up for finishing 13 points below...come on now

Yes it does for 100%.Its not even a question.

We both are in EL and we have won a trophy.This is not even a reasonable choose tbh.Most Newcastle fans will swap it without a second thought.

Expectations are higher at Liverpool imo. Ben Arfa can act like an underdog at Newcastle.

The expectations are the same..... both clubs have similar goals for this season.

But i forget, history is the be all and end all and is more relevant than anything

Newcastle's expectations are to finish in the top 4 this season?