Thoughts on Juve - Chievo

haha I would give Bonucci away for FREE!

Devi its not about Vidal missing because we need to have good rotation players and not to sub Marchisio with Caceres and then Lich with Del Piero ..What tha hell was that ?????

Milan31 wrote:Yeah, I am kind of confused how people are claiming players are 'tired'. Mentally tired I think is what it is. Like some people have said, the players don't seem to want to win as badly as they wanted to in the first half of the season. I would rather lose a couple of games but win the ones that I should be winning than be undefeated and draw plenty of times to low - mid level teams.

Perfect response

Bonucci vs Ranocchia, its hard to decide who is the bigger idiot.

player subsitutions was for a change in formation

a 4-2-4 to a 4-3-3

you can basically interpret it is as a Marchisio for ADP and Lich for Caceras

CroInter wrote:Bonucci vs Ranocchia, its hard to decide who is the bigger idiot.

No contest. Bonucci.

The biggest talents in Italy Bon and Rano becomes in the biggest flops in Italy

CroInter wrote:Bonucci vs Ranocchia, its hard to decide who is the bigger idiot.

Marco Motta.

Cookie Monster wrote:Marchisio is tired? Juve plays one game a week. Your players really shouldn't be exhausted to the point that it's that noticeable Look at Milan, 10+ players injured throughout almost the entire season, playing in three competitions, yet they still run their asses off every game (well almost every game lol) and show a great desire to win. Maybe Marchisio is just off form, or his mentality isn't where it should be. Or maybe I'm over analyzing and he is just tired

Although I think most would agree that Milan is the better side, Juve has several factors going in their favour (lack of injuries and European football) and the scudetto race should go until the very end. However, over the past couple of games, Juve hasn't demonstrated that desire and grit that they have shown for most of the season. They will have to rediscover that mentality if they want to challenge Milan because at the moment Milan seem to want it more.

Marchisio played hard versus Milan on Saturday, then went with the national team that played against the states and played. Then this game today, 3 games in 7 days at a high level. And we all know how hard Conte has the midfield working, he has a right to be tired.
Juventus' midfield is stronger than Milan's is, everywhere else, Milan wins. Including team play, they are the more together squad. Juventus is just soaring high due to being unbeaten. Still a lot to be desired, Krasic, Elia, who both are probably finished for Juventus, waste really. Then you have the complete lack of consistency in the forward position, the lack of high percentage chances that Juventus creates due to that lack of creativity that highly up the field.

I don't think Juventus can win the scudetto with the way the strikers are playing. They lack that player who can really turn a game up the field, they have Pirlo in the midfield, Marchisio and Vidal to a lesser degree. Then you have Chiellini, Barzagli, Licht and Buffon in the back, you really cannot ask for more- this is a defense that even with Bonucci's constant erroneous play, still is tight and with the left back position remaining a mystery.

It really comes down to a lack of quality on the wings, bar Vucinic, Giaccherini does all he can and is second best in terms of taking on defenders and trying to make something happen. The strikers lack teeth in front of goal, Matri comes up massively at times but in games like today, or smaller teams in general. They just park the bus and counter and Juventus at times cannot answer...

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Luca wrote:

Cookie Monster wrote:Marchisio is tired? Juve plays one game a week. Your players really shouldn't be exhausted to the point that it's that noticeable Look at Milan, 10+ players injured throughout almost the entire season, playing in three competitions, yet they still run their asses off every game (well almost every game lol) and show a great desire to win. Maybe Marchisio is just off form, or his mentality isn't where it should be. Or maybe I'm over analyzing and he is just tired

Although I think most would agree that Milan is the better side, Juve has several factors going in their favour (lack of injuries and European football) and the scudetto race should go until the very end. However, over the past couple of games, Juve hasn't demonstrated that desire and grit that they have shown for most of the season. They will have to rediscover that mentality if they want to challenge Milan because at the moment Milan seem to want it more.

Marchisio played hard versus Milan on Saturday, then went with the national team that played against the states and played. Then this game today, 3 games in 7 days at a high level. And we all know how hard Conte has the midfield working, he has a right to be tired.
Juventus' midfield is stronger than Milan's is, everywhere else, Milan wins. Including team play, they are the more together squad. Juventus is just soaring high due to being unbeaten. Still a lot to be desired, Krasic, Elia, who both are probably finished for Juventus, waste really. Then you have the complete lack of consistency in the forward position, the lack of high percentage chances that Juventus creates due to that lack of creativity that highly up the field.

I don't think Juventus can win the scudetto with the way the strikers are playing. They lack that player who can really turn a game up the field, they have Pirlo in the midfield, Marchisio and Vidal to a lesser degree. Then you have Chiellini, Barzagli, Licht and Buffon in the back, you really cannot ask for more- this is a defense that even with Bonucci's constant erroneous play, still is tight and with the left back position remaining a mystery.

It really comes down to a lack of quality on the wings, bar Vucinic, Giaccherini does all he can and is second best in terms of taking on defenders and trying to make something happen. The strikers lack teeth in front of goal, Matri comes up massively at times but in games like today, or smaller teams in general. They just park the bus and counter and Juventus at times cannot answer...

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I'm not saying that he couldn't be tired, I'm just suggesting that there might be a mental side to it as well. Nocerino played hard against Juve on Saturday and played for Italy during the week yet he still managed to put in an aggressive and dominant performance against Palermo. What's the difference there?

As far as your midfield goes, the trio of Pirlo, Marchisio, and Vidal is probably better than Milan's midfield and may be one of the best midfields in the world. However, Milan's midfield of Boateng, Nocerino, MVB, and Aquilani isn't as terrible as ppl make it out to be. In fact, I think it's actually quite good, especially in Allegri's system. Our second string midfield dominated Juve's mid for 80 out of 90 minutes just last week ffs. And that's assuming Muntari is even considered second string material, which he wouldn't be in our full strength squad.

I agree with your last points. Although Juve's midfield and defense are quite strong, they definitely need a game changer in the forward department. Imo you guys would actually need to purchase two world class forwards to be among the elite teams in Europe. Some good midfielders to add depth wouldn't hurt either. As decisive as he can be and as much as some of you guys like him, Matri is not a world class striker and I really don't think he has the quality needed to help fulfill Juve's future ambitions.

Also, some of the pessimistic comments in this section are misplaced. Juve is still very much in the title race (if you guys win your game in hand you'll actually be in first ffs). This year's title race could potentially go until the very end.

Luca wrote:

Cookie Monster wrote:Marchisio is tired? Juve plays one game a week. Your players really shouldn't be exhausted to the point that it's that noticeable Look at Milan, 10+ players injured throughout almost the entire season, playing in three competitions, yet they still run their asses off every game (well almost every game lol) and show a great desire to win. Maybe Marchisio is just off form, or his mentality isn't where it should be. Or maybe I'm over analyzing and he is just tired

Although I think most would agree that Milan is the better side, Juve has several factors going in their favour (lack of injuries and European football) and the scudetto race should go until the very end. However, over the past couple of games, Juve hasn't demonstrated that desire and grit that they have shown for most of the season. They will have to rediscover that mentality if they want to challenge Milan because at the moment Milan seem to want it more.

It really comes down to a lack of quality on the wings, bar Vucinic, Giaccherini does all he can and is second best in terms of taking on defenders and trying to make something happen. The strikers lack teeth in front of goal, Matri comes up massively at times but in games like today, or smaller teams in general. They just park the bus and counter and Juventus at times cannot answer...

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Can't agree more. Last night it was obvious that we need more quality players on wings but we had two and we put them on stands! so are we gonna sell krasic and elia on summer and buy two quality wingers?!! and then bench them and use someone like padoin?!!!

Last night we needed Vidal more than anything and that was proven plus we need Pepe back ASAP ...and pls pls bonucci gtfo

who wouldve thought people would be asking for Pepe back??

The problem is not Juve table position now, its the way we are PLAYING now - the way its going, we are going to be sliding down the ladder. and rightly so.

Some things need to change. Conte needs to change and try a few more things rather than keep the same players who clearly dont work (Bonucci).

We have other quality players at our disposal who are just warming the bench while average players are getting playing time because 'they run their heart out'.

A few quality players who DONT run their heart out per se, will DEFINTELY win you a game with moments of brilliance over average players who just run all day. Conte needs to see that.

Quagliarella, Caceras, Marrone, are being wasted on the bench. Even ADP with his snail-pace running would offer more than Vucinic did today.

Conte obviously has the qualities required to be a great coach - he just needs to stop being so 'rigid' and realise that sometimes he needs to change a few things when his system is not working efficiently anymore - If he does so, hell become an even BETTER coach as he will add the element of adaptability to his qualities.

Right now, Juve are playing like stale bread. We are so much better than that.

If you really think Conte is rigid ,i dunno what your opinion would be on Max Allegri.

I dont think Conte wanted to knee-jerk by chopping and changing if things dont go right but has rather looked at the situation with a bit more patience though obviously it hasnt worked and has cost us a few games and i really wish he goes back to 4-3-3 again and play Vucinic or even Elia at LW.Well thats how i have looked at things.

I see Conte as a very flexible coach and lets even look at the quality of the squad shall we.You have to give him the benefit of the doubt for that.

Atleast he is better than 4-4-2 maniac Del Neri.

PS. As a coach i rate Conte higher than Allegri.

No doubt hes better than Del Neri.

Sorry - cant claim Conte is better than Allegri. He hasnt achieved anything yet. But Conte has massive potential for sure.

I am on Contes side - I give him credit where hes done well. I call him out on where he hasnt. Simple.

As with every coach - they have their weaknessess and IMO, what Ive said above is Contes.

Dint say he's better than Allegri.

Just said i rate Conte higher than Allegri as in as a coach and as a tactician i see more potential in Conte tbh.

I also think Allegri wouldnt have been able to elevate this team/squad to the levels which Conte has done..Lets be honest at the start of the season did you think we would be competing for the Scudetto with this squad at Conte's disposal.I'm sure most of them had the most minimal wish of seeing Juve back in the champions league again.

Though,all in all how good the coach is or how good the team would be found out once we compete in CL.

The negatives i've seen of Conte this season is obviously the handling of Elia's situation and not really making use of our depth to full use which has had a direct impact on his rigidity with his formations and tactics imo.

He's done a magnificent job so far..

http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial/2012/03/04/2944595/ac-milan-dominant-juventus-dormant-ibrahimovic-leads-the

Kris Voakes thoughts seem to mirror mine

Surag wrote:Dint say he's better than Allegri.

Just said i rate Conte higher than Allegri as in as a coach and as a tactician i see more potential in Conte tbh.

I also think Allegri wouldnt have been able to elevate this team/squad to the levels which Conte has done..Lets be honest at the start of the season did you think we would be competing for the Scudetto with this squad at Conte's disposal.I'm sure most of them had the most minimal wish of seeing Juve back in the champions league again.

Though,all in all how good the coach is or how good the team would be found out once we compete in CL.

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No I didnt think wed be scudetto challenging at the start of the year but with the platform Conte built for us - I ABSOLUTELY expected after 19 games that we WOULD be challenging.

You cant get a start like we did and then blow it all just to claim that we were willing to settle for CL...Sure i wouldve settled for and been happy with CL if we were 4th in Jan - no worries. But we werent. We were 1st (and may still be come Wed). Only a fool would then accept 3rd place as satisfactory.

Your goal needs to be re-evaluated relative to your current position at any time. We must not "settle" - that is the mentality of small teams - Not the major clubs.

And to get out of this '7th place' slump, we need to start believing we are a big club again. and we need to start acting like it. and we need to go out and have objectives that a big club would have.

2nd place is NOT good enough to aim for. If you pour your heart out and you get 2nd, thats acceptable. But when you throw away a great position and 'settle' for 3rd or 4th - thats unacceptable and not becoming of Juve.

ANd agree- Conte will be best tested in CL.

The negatives i've seen of Conte this season is obviously the handling of Elia's situation and not really making use of our depth to full use which has had a direct impact on his rigidity with his formations and tactics imo.

He's done a magnificent job so far...

Exactly. We have far superior players on the bench to what he is using in the first XI. Maybe he has to realise that its OK to not speak fluent italian? Maybe its OK to not be the fastest runner if you can offer that genius creative spark we need? He needs to change his way of thinking and be more open and accepting of alternative strategies. That will really take him ahead to becoming a great/world class coach. But at the moment, hes way to rigid.

ANd yes, hes done a great job so far. no denying that. His handling of the situation is being tested now. He needs to step up and change something becaues our current situation is clearly not working. Just like he pushes the players, he needs to push himself to go that one step up in quality