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Post by VivaStPauli Sun Feb 12, 2012 2:44 pm

Also some leagues, like the Scottish league, aren't really that interesting, stats-wise.

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Post by rwo power Sun Feb 12, 2012 2:58 pm

Well, I ponder about calculating the numbers for the last season (first three of each league or so plus some noteworthy exceptions when the numbers ask for it) with a proper quotient to do away with the number of matches played. Well, but for that I'll only use the above list in the kicker.de menu Very Happy
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Post by VivaStPauli Sun Feb 12, 2012 3:01 pm

Goals conceded per match played, how about that as a quotient? Very Happy
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Post by la bestia negra Sun Feb 12, 2012 3:04 pm

BMG the club of the season tbh
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Post by rwo power Sun Feb 12, 2012 3:18 pm

So, here's the data for Spain, England, Germany, Italy and France in 2010/11 after the completion of the season in goals/match:

0.55 (21/38) Barcelona (La Liga 1)
0.63 (24/38) AC Milan (Serie A 1)
0.65 (22/34) Borussia Dortmund (BL 1)
0.87 (33/38) Chelsea (EPL 2)
0.87 (33/38) Manchester City (EPL 3)
0.87 (33/38) Real Madrid (La Liga 2)
0.92 (35/38) Stade Rennes (Ligue 1 6)
0.95 (36/38) Lille OSC (Ligue 1 1)
0.95 (36/38) Toulouse FC (Ligue 1 8 )
0.97 (37/38) Manchester United (EPL 1)
1.03 (39/38) Lazio Rom (Serie A 5)
1.03 (39/38) Napoli (Serie A 3)
1.03 (39/38) Olympique Marseilla (Ligue 1 2)
1.05 (40/38) AS Monaco (Ligue 1 18)
1.05 (40/38) Chievo Verona (Serie A 11)
1.05 (40/38) Olympique Lyon (Ligue 1 3)
1.11 (42/38) Inter Milan (Serie A 2)
1.11 (42/38) Sporting Gijon (La Liga 10)
1.15 (39/34) Mainz 05 (BL 5)
1.16 (44/38) Valencia (La Liga 3)
1.16 (44/38) Villarreal (La Liga 4)
1.18 (40/34) Bayern München (BL 3)
1.29 (44/34) Bayer Leverkusen (BL 2)

Borussia Mönchengladbach last season before they got Marc-André ter Stegen: 2.21 (62/28) Very Happy
After Favre selected ter Stegen, they only got 0.5 (3/6) in the remaining 6 matches.
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Post by Tomwin Lannister Sun Feb 12, 2012 5:28 pm

Partizan Belgrade, best club in the world. :bow:
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Post by Zealous Sun Feb 12, 2012 5:36 pm

Attack > defence anyway :coffee:

But nice work RWO Very Happy
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Post by phenom Sun Feb 12, 2012 5:49 pm

^ awesome sig Chaka
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Post by Guest Sun Feb 12, 2012 5:53 pm

I'm very happy where Madrid is sitting considering how many goals we have scored

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Post by rwo power Sun Feb 12, 2012 7:52 pm

Zealous wrote:Attack > defence anyway :coffee:
But nice work RWO Very Happy
Thx Smile

But mind you - attack wins you matches, defense wins you championships - and if you look ar Barca, Milan and Dortmund in 2010/11 it seems to be the truth Very Happy

Interestingly it wasn't true for Stade Rennes and Chelsea/ManCity though. ^^
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Post by rwo power Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:18 pm

LOL. Goal.com finally noticed it, too:

They’ve conceded fewer goals than Juventus, Barcelona & Bayern Munich - introducing Europe’s best defence

Gladbach have gone from bottom to top, not only in Germany, but in the continent as a whole, in just months. Goal.com hails Lucien Favre's side for a phenomenal 12-month run

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By Clark Whitney | German Football Editor

At this point last season, Monchengladbach were the punching bag of the Bundesliga. For most visitors, Borussia-Park was like a shooting gallery: the team placed last in Germany had conceded 53 goals in 21 games, an average of over 2.5 allowed per match.

But that all has changed in 2011-12. Gladbach have enjoyed a meteoric rise this season, and are now third in the Bundesliga, three points from the top. But most incredibly, their defensive record is not only the best in Germany, but all of Europe’s top leagues.

No team in England, Germany, Italy, or Spain can match Gladbach’s record of just 12 goals conceded in domestic competition, nor their average per game - truly remarkable given that the Bundesliga is traditionally the highest-scoring league in Europe. The same holds true even when factoring in all competitions. And now the team that seemed hopelessly on the path towards relegation a year ago is now earning high praise: some even claim they could win the Bundesliga.

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For Gladbach, the turning point occurred almost a year ago to the day. On February 14, 2011, after a 3-1 loss to St Pauli, Lucien Favre replaced Michael Frontzeck as head coach. It turned out to be a Valentine’s Day dream come true, as the Swiss trainer led his new side out of the bottom of a table, capturing the hearts of fans as Gladbach remarkably managed to avoid relegation in the end-of-year play-off.

After his appointment, Favre made very few changes to his team, at least in terms of line-up. He began to trust youngster Tony Jantschke at right-back ahead of Tobias Levels, and has had an ongoing competition between Martin Stranzl and Roel Brouwers for the second centre-back spot alongside Dante, but that was all. Every other defensive position has remained unchanged, yet Favre has enjoyed phenomenal success, a testament to the tactical quality he has brought.

As Stefan Effenberg asserted on Thursday, Gladbach can no longer be considered a team simply on a run of form: their quality has been consistent for 33 games - one game shy of a full Bundesliga season - since Favre's arrival.

Looking ahead, Gladbach's future is still uncertain. With a 10-point gap separating them from fifth-placed Werder Bremen, a finish in a Champions League spot is almost guaranteed, and an automatic berth as a top-three team is also entirely within the club's reach. But as happened with Dortmund at the end of last season, die Fohlen will lose their brightest star in talismanic attacker Marco Reus. Moreover, defensive midfielder Roman Neustadter will leave on a free transfer, while Dante could opt for a move should a club meet his reported €5 million buy-out clause.

Sporting director Max Eberl has pledged to spend the €17.5m generated from Reus' sale to bring in reinforcements, but with a shortened pre-season on the horizon due to Euro 2012, and uncertainty in the transfer market also a concern, Favre may be forced to do the unthinkable for a second year as he prepares what will surely be a markedly different team to compete on three fronts.

For now, however, Gladbach remain intact and a force to be reckoned with. They are unbeaten against the teams above them in the Bundesliga, having defeated Bayern Munich twice. And on their current pace, they could end the season not only as Europe's best defensive team, but the best in all of Bundesliga history. Hats off to Favre and Gladbach, a Valentine's Day match made in heaven.

Source: http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial/2012/02/17/2910065/theyve-conceded-fewer-goals-than-juventus-barcelona-bayern

Does Clark Whitney read GL? Suspect
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Post by halamadrid2 Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:19 pm

even more proof they read this forum

one of the mods need to do a thorough check in case one of the writes IS actually on this forum hmm
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Post by la bestia negra Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:27 pm

jiposi ??
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Post by S32TABLANCA Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:58 pm

Well we already knew that goal.com still scout here for ideas, as well as Marca and more importantly Mou himself. :bow: GL
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Post by Zealous Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:02 pm

Mou lurks our forum :bow:

@RWO

I think our attack is going to win us our championships this year :p
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Post by VivaStPauli Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:04 pm

Well your defence sure ain't.

Sorry, I meant:

Well our defence sure ain't.
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Post by S32TABLANCA Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:09 pm

VivaStPauli wrote:Well your defence sure ain't.

Sorry, I meant:

Well our defence sure ain't.

Hey, Madrid defence is class OK?

And since when are you a Madridista? hmm
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Post by Zealous Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:15 pm

Viva jumped on the bandwagon just in time to celebrate a historic season :bow:

I agree Viva, our defence is OK but it's clearly our glorious attacking philosophy that is helping our title run.

We are an example to the world imo :bow:
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Post by VivaStPauli Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:33 pm

Saetablanca wrote:
And since when are you a Madridista? hmm

Since Gonzalo Castro got a yellow card for being fouled by Busquets.
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Post by la bestia negra Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:00 pm

VivaStPauli wrote:
Saetablanca wrote:
And since when are you a Madridista? hmm

Since Gonzalo Castro got a yellow card for being fouled by Busquets.
dat foul ffsss
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Post by rwo power Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:50 am

Best defenses in Europe atm:

1.
13 - Borussia M'gladbach (22 matches)

2.
14 - Juventus Turin (23 matches)
14 - Bayern München (22 matches)
14 - Borussia Dortmund (22 matches)

3.
17 - Barcelona (23 matches)

Top defenses in England and France:

19 - Manchester City (25 matches)
21 - Paris St.German (24 matches)

I took out the Portuguese sides as they had too few matches compared with the others.
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Post by Guest Mon Feb 20, 2012 7:10 am

"The best defense is a good offense"

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Post by BarrileteCosmico Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:38 am

rwo power wrote:Best defenses in Europe atm:

1.
13 - Borussia M'gladbach (22 matches)

2.
14 - Juventus Turin (23 matches)
14 - Bayern München (22 matches)
14 - Borussia Dortmund (22 matches)

3.
17 - Barcelona (23 matches)

Top defenses in England and France:

19 - Manchester City (25 matches)
21 - Paris St.German (24 matches)

I took out the Portuguese sides as they had too few matches compared with the others.

You could do an analysis comparing all of them at the same match-day hmm
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:41 am

Vivas is joining Real Madrid when they're about to win the league

---> gloryhunter

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Post by rwo power Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:00 am

BarrileteCosmico wrote:You could do an analysis comparing all of them at the same match-day hmm
I'll do that with quotients (goals/match) when the season is over. I'm just too lazy to update that all the time.

Here's the data after the last matchday of 2010/11:
https://goallegacy.forumotion.com/t16898p18-the-best-defense-in-europe#461135
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Post by VivaStPauli Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:42 pm

Too bad stupid Gladbach conceded a goal, they were flying high, I hope they're not crumbling now. :coffee:
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