Arsenal 1 - 2 Manchester United: Poor defending down the flanks costs Arsenal the game

Samuelj29060 wrote:G.Neville: "Injuries are no excuse. When you're a team that plays in 4 competitions every year you can't lose 4 players + fall apart."

Samuelj29060 wrote:G.Neville: "Injuries are no excuse. When you're a team that plays in 4 competitions every year you can't lose 4 players + fall apart."

boss wrote:1st of all Arsenal need some changes undoubtedly,well about performances i'm really disappointed but being honest we was a bit unlucky today -in a way-
Finally we should put some of our youngsters(talented) in first team ,why not RYO 4example ?

I actually think that Wenger made a HUGE improvement by starting Chamberlain. Maybe he was better than Walcott and should have stayed but didn't you guys want experience? he subbed the OX with the Russian captain.

GoonerJay29 wrote:

I actually think that Wenger made a HUGE improvement by starting Chamberlain. Maybe he was better than Walcott and should have stayed but didn't you guys want experience? he subbed the OX with the Russian captain.

This is true. The fact he started Chamberlain in such a big game could mean that he's willing to give the guy more opportunities. Chamberlain certainly didn't disappoint and deserves to start the next game.

It's subbing Arshavin that's the problem. Experience aside, he's not in good form and he's never been great defensively. Just seemed an unnecessary risk to take at that stage.

imalegend wrote:

because if that backfires people will still blame Wenger for playing youths instead of Experienced

boss wrote:

imalegend wrote:

because if that backfires people will still blame Wenger for playing youths instead of Experienced

Instead whome ! just look @utd..wellbeck,valencia,rafael,fabio,smalling,valencia,lindegaard etc..or to other clubs like chelsea-sturridge etc ......just why not @ arsenal: Ryo,Coquelin,Aoc,Yennaris.. etc etc (i'm talking about em who are really talented)...How they could be experienced without performances ?

imalegend wrote:

boss wrote:

imalegend wrote:

because if that backfires people will still blame Wenger for playing youths instead of Experienced

Instead whome ! just look @utd..wellbeck,valencia,rafael,fabio,smalling,valencia,lindegaard etc..or to other clubs like chelsea-sturridge etc ......just why not @ arsenal: Ryo,Coquelin,Aoc,Yennaris.. etc etc (i'm talking about em who are really talented)...How they could be experienced without performances ?

Well most of United youngsters are established ones.... ours are raw...
wellbeck has a full good season under sunderland, smalling has 2 years under Fulham......

rarely does Fergie put out a raw talent.... he always gives them a year loan or slowly develops them.....

same for sturridge he showed his talent at Man C and was brillant during his loan at Bolton, only now he is starting for Chelsea

Ryo, Ox, Yennaris are all raw.... only Coquelin is established because he has played a whole year....

RedEyesWhiteBeard wrote:

imalegend wrote:

boss wrote:

imalegend wrote:

because if that backfires people will still blame Wenger for playing youths instead of Experienced

Instead whome ! just look @utd..wellbeck,valencia,rafael,fabio,smalling,valencia,lindegaard etc..or to other clubs like chelsea-sturridge etc ......just why not @ arsenal: Ryo,Coquelin,Aoc,Yennaris.. etc etc (i'm talking about em who are really talented)...How they could be experienced without performances ?

Well most of United youngsters are established ones.... ours are raw...
wellbeck has a full good season under sunderland, smalling has 2 years under Fulham......

rarely does Fergie put out a raw talent.... he always gives them a year loan or slowly develops them.....

same for sturridge he showed his talent at Man C and was brillant during his loan at Bolton, only now he is starting for Chelsea

Ryo, Ox, Yennaris are all raw.... only Coquelin is established because he has played a whole year....

whooaa calm down, ryo has play a season in the dutch league and ox has played a season in league 1, all still profession football, playing with men. these guy are experienced enough to play more and get starts. im sure. yenneris has already proven to be a good back up to play a few games untill sagna come back

GoonerJay29 wrote:I don't see much harm in giving Miyaichi the odd sub appearance here and there. Kids like Miquel and Yennaris had never played a first team game before now and have done okay. Even Frimpong hadn't played a first team game and has done well.

Week in week out is a little much, but as I say, the odd appearance here or there wouldn't hurt anybody.

Something I didnt understand during the game was why play Ox in this game? He hasnt featured against any of the lesser teams such as Wigan or Norwich or teams such as that, but then he throws him in at the deep end and plays him in arguably the biggest game of the season? Wheres the logic in that. He was fantastic but wheres the logic in not giving him a proper run up until this game?

Did he finally decide that Arshavin wasnt up to it? Because if so then why bring him on? EVEN IF Ox did have cramp or an injury (which seems like total BS, not once did he signal to the bench, not once did he limp, he looked p****d off at being taken off and our own captain couldnt understand the decision) then why not bring on Benayoun for example? Who anyone would tell you is a lot more defensively minded than Arshavin? Or, take off Ramsey and put Arshavin in the middle where he's a lot less likely to be detrimental to our defensive game

The decision to take off Ox was an awful one, one that Wenger has made numerous times this season in terms of taking off our main attacking outlet and leaving us blunt in attack. This is what the people most p****d off with Wenger have been complaining. No lack of investment or purse strings being tightened forced Wenger to make that decision, he CHOSE to make it and it was a terrible decision. The man needs to go, he has become detrimental to the growth of this team and he's sticking to his tried and tested techniques that have rarely worked to begin with. He's sticking to his ideals no matter what and they ARENT working. He's not likely to change either so we need to bring someone in who IS. Arshavin should be nowhere near the first team of a top club given the lack of effort and desire he's shown for close to a year and a half now

If your captain is questioning your decisions, I think its safe to ASSUME he may have lost the dressing room a little while ago (which would sure as hell explain the seeming lack of effort in a few matches). Then when Utd got the 2nd goal, I saw Robin shake his head, turn around and just walk right back to the centre circle, right now, he's off, and I cant say I would blame him

I was at the game, the decision got booed, not Arshavin, and rightly so. This isnt something thats happened over night, we havent just decide we're all of a sudden going to start booing, its a reaction to the current frustrating situation we find ourselves in. If 60,000 people can tell you its a bad decision before the worst of it even happens (Arshavin completely selling himself against a dribble to let Valencia in when he wasnt close to him to begin with) then you've made a f**k up. Just come out, hold your hands up and admit you MIGHT have made a mistake, dont treat us like c**ts saying he had cramp because he sure as f**k didnt look like it

aleumdance wrote:I don't know how anyone can defend wenger's subs anymore after what he did today

like i said already wenger can't make subs to defend his life ( ONE MAJORE TACTICAL FLAW HE HAS)

but after today?

RealGunner wrote:

aleumdance wrote:I don't know how anyone can defend wenger's subs anymore after what he did today

like i said already wenger can't make subs to defend his life ( ONE MAJORE TACTICAL FLAW HE HAS)

but after today?

So u were angry when Wenger took Djourou off for Yennaris ?