Re: LIVE - Lazio - Juventus [ Match Thread and News]

[Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo]

Still early, I just wonder why Elia and Krasic cannot get minutes over Giaccherini. I have no problem with Giaccherini getting some time here and there, but with two players of MUCH more quality just sitting there..?

Seriously? You're winning 1-0 over Lazio and you want to see Krasic/Elia come on, who can't defend at all? You'd rather see them come on over a Giacherinni and Estagaribbia who will work hard and keep running and defend the lead?

It's about starting, not coming off the bench

[NavJuve]

Still early, I just wonder why Elia and Krasic cannot get minutes over Giaccherini. I have no problem with Giaccherini getting some time here and there, but with two players of MUCH more quality just sitting there..?

Seriously? You're winning 1-0 over Lazio and you want to see Krasic/Elia come on, who can't defend at all? You'd rather see them come on over a Giacherinni and Estagaribbia who will work hard and keep running and defend the lead?

It's about starting, not coming off the bench

Looks to me like he was complaining about Giach/Esti getting subbed on and Krasic/Elia not being on the bench. If not then he should have worded it better

[Luca]

Still early, I just wonder why Elia and Krasic cannot get minutes over Giaccherini. I have no problem with Giaccherini getting some time here and there, but with two players of MUCH more quality just sitting there..?

Seriously? You're winning 1-0 over Lazio and you want to see Krasic/Elia come on, who can't defend at all? You'd rather see them come on over a Giacherinni and Estagaribbia who will work hard and keep running and defend the lead?

Who said Elia could not defend? I remember him back tracking very well when I saw him play for Holland
Giaccherini did not defend, really, he was the outlet going forward

Lets see, who would I rather see on the counter; Krasic or Giaccherini
And my argument was not aimed at this game in particular, just generally

Giaccherini had what, 4, 5 good chances to start an attack and he messed up just about every single one of them tonight
Nothing wrong with what Estigarribia did by any means

[NavJuve]

Still early, I just wonder why Elia and Krasic cannot get minutes over Giaccherini. I have no problem with Giaccherini getting some time here and there, but with two players of MUCH more quality just sitting there..?

Seriously? You're winning 1-0 over Lazio and you want to see Krasic/Elia come on, who can't defend at all? You'd rather see them come on over a Giacherinni and Estagaribbia who will work hard and keep running and defend the lead?

Who said Elia could not defend? I remember him back tracking very well when I saw him play for Holland
Giaccherini did not defend, really, he was the outlet going forward

Lets see, who would I rather see on the counter; Krasic or Giaccherini
And my argument was not aimed at this game in particular, just generally

Giaccherini had what, 4, 5 good chances to start an attack and he messed up just about every single one of them tonight
Nothing wrong with what Estigarribia did by any means

I think Elia, if anything, is just a liability in defence, and I would rather have either gach/pepe/esti in his place when we're winning 1-0.

And I agree I would prefer Krasic, and as much of a krasic lover I am, we all know he hasn't been perfoming where as Gach/Pepe have, so if it ain't broke, why fix it?

In terms of generality, I think everyone wants to see Krasic/Elia, but believe you me when I say there must be a good reason why they aren't playing, most likely one that is behind the scenes that we can't figure out.

[Luca]

I think Elia, if anything, is just a liability in defence, and I would rather have either gach/pepe/esti in his place when we're winning 1-0.

We really have no evidence to go either way on this, he has played only 45 minutes! I certainly would not risk him against Lazio to find out.

And I agree I would prefer Krasic, and as much of a krasic lover I am, we all know he hasn't been perfoming where as Gach/Pepe have, so if it ain't broke, why fix it?

I'm not really saying that Krasic should be starting right now, I know he has the quality but clearly he is not showing Conte that so that is fine. Giaccherini just came back from injury and tonight he was poor, he has shown glimpses over his short Juventus career but tonight was just awful. I think Krasic in the same time, even tonight against Lazio, could have done well on the counter.

In terms of generality, I think everyone wants to see Krasic/Elia, but believe you me when I say there must be a good reason why they aren't playing, most likely one that is behind the scenes that we can't figure out.

I question the first part but I agree with the second. Obviously something is up. If Juventus keeps playing like this, no one will mind.

The only thing I know for certain is that Juventus needs more teeth in front of goal, too wasteful with chances.

[juve_gigi]

Giac is not good enough for our bench.

That is all.

Thank you GodPepe. You are indeed the voice of reason...

If this was the Juve of 2005, Giaccherini wouldn't even qualify to work in the kitchen...

[juve_gigi]

Still early, I just wonder why Elia and Krasic cannot get minutes over Giaccherini. I have no problem with Giaccherini getting some time here and there, but with two players of MUCH more quality just sitting there..?

Seriously? You're winning 1-0 over Lazio and you want to see Krasic/Elia come on, who can't defend at all? You'd rather see them come on over a Giacherinni and Estagaribbia who will work hard and keep running and defend the lead?

Who said Elia could not defend? I remember him back tracking very well when I saw him play for Holland
Giaccherini did not defend, really, he was the outlet going forward

Lets see, who would I rather see on the counter; Krasic or Giaccherini
And my argument was not aimed at this game in particular, just generally

Giaccherini had what, 4, 5 good chances to start an attack and he messed up just about every single one of them tonight
Nothing wrong with what Estigarribia did by any means

Elia has more skill in his left toe than Giaccherini does in his entire body...

[juve_gigi]

I think Elia, if anything, is just a liability in defence, and I would rather have either gach/pepe/esti in his place when we're winning 1-0.

We really have no evidence to go either way on this, he has played only 45 minutes! I certainly would not risk him against Lazio to find out.

And I agree I would prefer Krasic, and as much of a krasic lover I am, we all know he hasn't been perfoming where as Gach/Pepe have, so if it ain't broke, why fix it?

I'm not really saying that Krasic should be starting right now, I know he has the quality but clearly he is not showing Conte that so that is fine. Giaccherini just came back from injury and tonight he was poor, he has shown glimpses over his short Juventus career but tonight was just awful. I think Krasic in the same time, even tonight against Lazio, could have done well on the counter.

In terms of generality, I think everyone wants to see Krasic/Elia, but believe you me when I say there must be a good reason why they aren't playing, most likely one that is behind the scenes that we can't figure out.

I question the first part but I agree with the second. Obviously something is up. If Juventus keeps playing like this, no one will mind.

The only thing I know for certain is that Juventus needs more teeth in front of goal, too wasteful with chances.

I agree 100%. Instead of having 24m worth of wingers rotting on the bench, we should sell them for a world class SS and a quality LB...

[Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo]

Elia over Giac any day of my life

[Luca]

Also, a CM is needed Pino maybe more than a SS
Matri needs higher quality chances then he is getting
He should not be the player making the pass to Pepe, nor should he be the player running at three defenders to shoot wide. He did the most with an incredibly difficult chance and nearly struck goal from outside the box with an amazing hit. He needs high quality chances! I mean look at the goals that he HAS scored, they are goals that he SHOULD score. Right now he is playing for the spectacular, things need to be simplified. He needs Vucinic right next to him as a strike partner, Vucinic should be a 'floating' winger more than anything, he shows this at times but it must be full time. Vucinic is at his best when he is allowed freedom to move, if Conte keeps him isolated on the left wing then he struggles to get involved.

Vucinic's success = Matri's success = Juventus scores goals

[Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo]

Also, a CM is needed Pino maybe more than a SS
Matri needs higher quality chances then he is getting
He should not be the player making the pass to Pepe, nor should he be the player running at three defenders to shoot wide. He did the most with an incredibly difficult chance and nearly struck goal from outside the box with an amazing hit. He needs high quality chances! I mean look at the goals that he HAS scored, they are goals that he SHOULD score. Right now he is playing for the spectacular, things need to be simplified. He needs Vucinic right next to him as a strike partner, Vucinic should be a 'floating' winger more than anything, he shows this at times but it must be full time. Vucinic is at his best when he is allowed freedom to move, if Conte keeps him isolated on the left wing then he struggles to get involved.

Vucinic's success = Matri's success = Juventus scores goals

haha trust me Luca he knows, a vice for Pirlo is a must. But then again... a WC SS in place of Del Piero is very important too as he pointed it out

[juve_gigi]

Also, a CM is needed Pino maybe more than a SS
Matri needs higher quality chances then he is getting
He should not be the player making the pass to Pepe, nor should he be the player running at three defenders to shoot wide. He did the most with an incredibly difficult chance and nearly struck goal from outside the box with an amazing hit. He needs high quality chances! I mean look at the goals that he HAS scored, they are goals that he SHOULD score. Right now he is playing for the spectacular, things need to be simplified. He needs Vucinic right next to him as a strike partner, Vucinic should be a 'floating' winger more than anything, he shows this at times but it must be full time. Vucinic is at his best when he is allowed freedom to move, if Conte keeps him isolated on the left wing then he struggles to get involved.

Vucinic's success = Matri's success = Juventus scores goals

You arre correct Luca. We need another midfielder and that is why I see Montolivo coming in January to at least be a short term fix. As for Vucinic, in my opinion he is not really a pure striker, he is more of a wide winger/striker/set up man. He can do everything well but nothing great. We need a pure SS, a world class type player who can set up Matri and also create his own chances to score.

I think there is a dude that currently plays in England who might fit the bill...

[Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo]

Where's my Andrea Poli thread?

[Luca]

Vucinic can do it for this season at least.
Champions league money = world class SS

I am more than happy with Mirko right now.

@Pino
I see Rossi joining Juventus next season as opposed to Balotelli
I would rather Balotelli but I don't see it happening
Rossi and Giovinco in
Most wingers out

[Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo]

Oh yeah for sure, with the TV rights were going to make so much revenue out of it

[juve_gigi]

Vucinic can do it for this season at least.
Champions league money = world class SS

I am more than happy with Mirko right now.

@Pino
I see Rossi joining Juventus next season as opposed to Balotelli
I would rather Balotelli but I don't see it happening
Rossi and Giovinco in
Most wingers out

Yes, Balotelli is a dream, but we can always dream right??

As for Giovinco, he is a must, he is the next #10 unless Marotta loses his mind. As for Rossi, I have to say that I don't think I want both he and Quags on the same team. They are simlilar players and both have had serious knee operations. Why bring in Rossi when we already have Quags on the bench who plays 10 minutes a game??

[Luca]

It is true, I just see Rossi being more likely than Balotelli.
Very true about Quagliarella but we do not know how Conte feels about Rossi haha.
Also, Rossi is coming off a similar injury to Quagliarella, should be an avoided buy to be honest.

[Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo]

God has spoken and I agree.

Giovinco is a MUST

[Tomwin Lannister]

Giac is not good enough for our bench.

That is all.

Thank you GodPepe. You are indeed the voice of reason...

If this was the Juve of 2005, Giaccherini wouldn't even qualify to work in the kitchen...

We had such a good kitchen staff until calciopoli took over.

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