Xavi vs Scholes

ausbaz wrote:

Crimson wrote:

ausbaz wrote:Saw very few of Scholes as it wasn't the easiest task to watch the EPL in Australia, but from achievements accolades and performances over the past four years/european performances over the last ten Xavi by a country mile.

Then don't comment

You mad?
What I have seen of Scholes which is a considerable amount, he is no where near Xavi and never has been.

Which is it? Make up your mind....if your going to lie at least do a better job ffs

Crimson wrote:

ausbaz wrote:

Crimson wrote:

ausbaz wrote:Saw very few of Scholes as it wasn't the easiest task to watch the EPL in Australia, but from achievements accolades and performances over the past four years/european performances over the last ten Xavi by a country mile.

Then don't comment

You mad?
What I have seen of Scholes which is a considerable amount, he is no where near Xavi and never has been.

Which is it? Make up your mind....if your going to lie at least do a better job ffs

Did you not read my first full post?
I have seen ALOT of Scholes just not from the begining of the decade/when there was no EPL love hype in Aus.
Europe / later than 04/05 I have seen alot of Scholes and Xavi is better from that.

Happy? ffs

Also scholes never had a master piece to remember like xavi vs germany or xavi vs Arsenal.

Heck even last CL final man of the match was xavi.

guys... you have no idea what you're talking about regarding Scholes. Not that good? No masterpiece?? Give me a break.

Go to yhis link which has quotes from all his peers regarding Scholes http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial/2011/05/31/2511609/undoubtedly-the-greatest-midfielder-of-his-generation-what

He was undoubtedly one of the best of his generation. Know your football people.

"In the last 15 to 20 years the best central midfielder that I have seen — the most complete — is Scholes. I have spoken with Xabi Alonso about this many times. Scholes is a spectacular player who has everything. If he was Spanish then maybe he would have been valued more"

Quote from Xavi himself

"My toughest opponent? Scholes of Manchester. He is the complete midfielder. Scholes is undoubtedly the greatest midfielder of his generation"

Zidane

There's about 10 of these types of quotes in the link i gave you.

Putting up the same quotes over and over won't change the quotes. Cryuff once said CR7 is better than George Best and Denis Law but it doesn't mean people in the forum will share this opinion.

Magricos wrote: Putting up the same quotes over and over won't change the quotes. Cryuff once said CR7 is better than George Best and Denis Law but it doesn't mean people in the forum will share this opinion.

That's just Cruyff... one man. Scholes was/is unanimously considered the best by his peers and also by current players. I'm old enough to have watched his entire career as an adult.. and i hated Man U then. But I still could not deny the greatness of Scholes. In fact, if you have to ask me who was the most complete midfielder for that generation, i would pick Scholes over Zidane (Zidane was the better football player, but less complete). He did everything well. No weakness. Not one.

Actually more than one person said he was up there with the best but that won't change this forum's opinion. Some players will say Zidane or Matthaus was the best. I only provided 1 quote about CR7 just to use an e.g.

Matthaus was from the generation before imo.

Yeah.

sportsczy wrote:

Magricos wrote: Putting up the same quotes over and over won't change the quotes. Cryuff once said CR7 is better than George Best and Denis Law but it doesn't mean people in the forum will share this opinion.

That's just Cruyff... one man. Scholes was/is unanimously considered the best by his peers and also by current players. I'm old enough to have watched his entire career as an adult.. and i hated Man U then. But I still could not deny the greatness of Scholes. In fact, if you have to ask me who was the most complete midfielder for that generation, i would pick Scholes over Zidane (Zidane was the better football player, but less complete). He did everything well. No weakness. Not one.

Couldn't defend to save his life though, terrible terrible tackling technique

But in all other aspects you'd be right, even though i occasionally hate on Man U, i could never deny the brilliance of Paul Scholes.

If we're talking about who would be the best midfielder in his generation, i'd think we best make a list of who all falls into that category as not to get mixed up with other greats that were not playing at the same lvl at that point in time.
So it would be:

Scholes
Seedorf
Riquelme
Juninho
Ze Roberto
Veron
Recoba

Im missing a few

A list with out Redondo ?

Yeah RN... he didn't tackle to get the ball back. He tackled to take the man out lol. Reckless defender tbh. So many yelllows.

No Zizou.

Seedorf was a number 10 at first ,still remember his two long range goals that gave inter meelan a 2-2 draw against Juventus.

Youri Djorkaeff should be in there too. Never got to play on the NT because Zizou was in front of him. But he was a very, very good am and had a great club career.

But Djorkaeff played on the team with Zidane.

Adit wrote:Seedorf was a number 10 at first ,still remember his two long range goals that gave inter meelan a 2-2 draw against Juventus.

Yup..Ten Action refreshed your memory..

Magricos wrote: But Djorkaeff played on the team with Zidane.

He almost never played on the Nt. He backed up Zidane. Check out his club career though. Inter fans should chip in here lol.

He has more than 50 caps and he started in the Euro and WC final.

sportsczy wrote:"In the last 15 to 20 years the best central midfielder that I have seen — the most complete — is Scholes. I have spoken with Xabi Alonso about this many times. Scholes is a spectacular player who has everything. If he was Spanish then maybe he would have been valued more"

Quote from Xavi himself

"My toughest opponent? Scholes of Manchester. He is the complete midfielder. Scholes is undoubtedly the greatest midfielder of his generation"

Zidane

There's about 10 of these types of quotes in the link i gave you.

If we are supposed to take everything footballer says as facts, then scholes>>>zidane as they are both from the same generation ffs..

Rossoneri Ninja wrote:

sportsczy wrote:

Magricos wrote: Putting up the same quotes over and over won't change the quotes. Cryuff once said CR7 is better than George Best and Denis Law but it doesn't mean people in the forum will share this opinion.

That's just Cruyff... one man. Scholes was/is unanimously considered the best by his peers and also by current players. I'm old enough to have watched his entire career as an adult.. and i hated Man U then. But I still could not deny the greatness of Scholes. In fact, if you have to ask me who was the most complete midfielder for that generation, i would pick Scholes over Zidane (Zidane was the better football player, but less complete). He did everything well. No weakness. Not one.

Couldn't defend to save his life though, terrible terrible tackling technique

But in all other aspects you'd be right, even though i occasionally hate on Man U, i could never deny the brilliance of Paul Scholes.

If we're talking about who would be the best midfielder in his generation, i'd think we best make a list of who all falls into that category as not to get mixed up with other greats that were not playing at the same lvl at that point in time.
So it would be:

Scholes
Seedorf
Riquelme
Juninho
Ze Roberto
Veron
Recoba

Im missing a few

You dont rate zizou? Zidane was born in 1972 while scholes was born in 1974. They are from the same generation..

Adit wrote:A list with out Redondo ?

Redondo was a generation before scholes, or rather was in decline when scholes was in his prime else i would've added the likes of Rui Costa, Albertini ect.

Youri Djorkaeff should be in there too. Never got to play on the NT because Zizou was in front of him. But he was a very, very good am and had a great club career.

Yeah was a quality player but belongs with the group before scholes, with the Bobans , Costa's, Zizou's ect.

What i will say though is that Scholes had the best volley shot technique in his generation, countless volleys from corners in the good old days.

Rossoneri Ninja wrote:

Adit wrote:A list with out Redondo ?

Redondo was a generation before scholes, or rather was in decline when scholes was in his prime else i would've added the likes of Rui Costa, Albertini ect.

Youri Djorkaeff should be in there too. Never got to play on the NT because Zizou was in front of him. But he was a very, very good am and had a great club career.

Yeah was a quality player but belongs with the group before scholes, with the Bobans , Costa's, Zizou's ect.

What i will say though is that Scholes had the best volley shot technique in his generation, countless volleys from corners in the good old days.

They are from the same generation mate. There is only a 2 year gap between them and scholes.

I had prepared a long post but my page timed out

Yes the isn't much of an age gap but their primes vary's greatly, Zizou, Boban , Djorkaeff primed in the 90's whereas Scholes was good up until 2008, him and seedorf are both eligible for 2 era's but the others don't , the ones i added were primed in the 00's and later , Scholes is in a grey area sort of speak.

Scholes started his career in the mid 90's whilst Zizou's started at the late 80's. I use the term generation to indicate players which i think played in the same era that includes those who peaked, developed and played.

Tbh i really don't want to put Zizou in the mix because that will open the door to other midfielders as well.

Even after the 90s Zizou was among the best players.