Why Grosso?

Paolo De Ceglie and Fabio Grosso Juventus are the highlanders of the revolution. Despite the multiple purchases of Marotta and his associates, the band left-handed defense remains the same as last year, which was further depleted by the departures of Armand Traore's Arm Salihamidzic alternatives. Until a few weeks ago it seemed that the left-back problem had been solved with Reto Ziegler, taken on a free transfer from Sampdoria in June. But no: Count does not like the Swiss, which is now sold in Turkey without ever officially debuted with the Old Lady. A move that has earned 600 thousand euros poor lending costly and brought back to the agony of the Juve-ballot De Ceglie Grosso.
De Ceglie to trust may be understandable. We're talking about a 25 year old with untapped potential. Doubts arise on the outside of Aosta from the ability to adapt to the role of quarterback. I was doing with some success before the collapse of last season, forcing him to pit for months and months. Earl hopes that haunts the enamel and get used to the diagonals defensive. The decision to focus on him is still bold.
The alternative is Fabio Grosso, 34 springs in November and several years behind anonymous. The hero of Berlin 2006 seemed destined to end in oblivion, as every summer for Juventus. But one way or another, always turns up Grosso season. Playing strength will happen again this year. Even more so if the bad luck continues to haunt De Ceglie as is now happening for some time.
In theory, could also move Count Chiellini on the left. The defender, however, turn up their noses when National has to leave the center of defense. And in the middle Juve failed to reach an absolute level of the stopper, in practice, if Chiellini was hijacked in the end, the central pair would Bonucci-Barzagli. Stuff Of Blacks, another Scudetto dream.

they sold Ziegler to keep Grosso and PDC, triple **facepalm**

this will hunt count all season long

I cannot understand this move at all. Paolo De Ceglie was decent when fit last year, and Grosso put in one or two good performances. The problem was that De Ceglie was out for long stretches, and Grosso was inconsistent at his best and incompetent at his worst.

I thought Ziegler was a solid LB. While I didn't think his signing would set the world on fire, I thought it was a drastic improvement over what Juve had last year. Now they've gone and sent him off (on loan, correct?). I just don't understand.

I don't understand how conte can value grosso more than Ziegler. Anyway PDC will have the breakout year we all expect so he will b solid at LB. Grosso should b tried at LW he has a wicked cross

pasquale22 wrote:I don't understand how conte can value grosso more than Ziegler. Anyway PDC will have the breakout year we all expect so he will b solid at LB. Grosso should b tried at LW he has a wicked cross

me neither

sciacca wrote:You are all foolish... this has nothing to do with Conte. It is all media BS as they don't know the real reasons. Why would they accept Ziegler, have him train all pre-season and play many games and then finally decide last minute he was not good for the squad... no it does not work that way, then deciding to bring Grosso, not having any thrid choice for depth... who has not trained with the squad all summer... It does not make sense. Zigler chose Juventus over Milan, he had no regrets and wanted to stay. It may be that he was angry that he was not a first choice and requested a transfer request and they decided to loan him. It could be that they just want profit... Stu Cazzo... profit. If 1m is profit then that is just a bad move, the player is worth more.

Don't play Conte here, as this has nothing to do with him.

We are all foolish cause according to his interviews by different sources Zigler declared conte doesn't want him and according to you maybe he was angry that he isn't first choice and decided to go to turkey?!!
He said he wanted to stay at juve
Marotta couldn't send him away without conte approval

sciacca wrote:You are all foolish... this has nothing to do with Conte. It is all media BS as they don't know the real reasons. Why would they accept Ziegler, have him train all pre-season and play many games and then finally decide last minute he was not good for the squad... no it does not work that way, then deciding to bring Grosso, not having any thrid choice for depth... who has not trained with the squad all summer... It does not make sense. Zigler chose Juventus over Milan, he had no regrets and wanted to stay. It may be that he was angry that he was not a first choice and requested a transfer request and they decided to loan him. It could be that they just want profit... Stu Cazzo... profit. If 1m is profit then that is just a bad move, the player is worth more.

Don't play Conte here, as this has nothing to do with him.

its not media BS Ziegler said in tons of interviews that Conte doesn't like him ....simple ..so stop putting everything on Marotta ffs u are getting boring

I didn't even mention Marotta, he's not at fault and it was only two recent interviwes. Its not many.

sciacca wrote:I didn't even mention Marotta, he's not at fault and it was only two recent interviwes. Its not many.

Sorry to many .. in la stampa , tutto,gazetta,sportmediaset ...the told that to every possible newspaper ....

DeviAngel wrote:

sciacca wrote:I didn't even mention Marotta, he's not at fault and it was only two recent interviwes. Its not many.

Sorry to many .. in la stampa , tutto,gazetta,sportmediaset ...the told that to every possible newspaper ....

It was two interviews in total, that was spead through out every media. He did not have an interview with each and everyone of those media sources

MMM wrote:We are all foolish cause according to his interviews by different sources Zigler declared conte doesn't want him and according to you maybe he was angry that he isn't first choice and decided to go to turkey?!!
He said he wanted to stay at juve
Marotta couldn't send him away without conte approval

First of all, to make it clear, I DIDN'T MENTION MAROTTA.The whole point I'm trying to say is don't even blame Conte. Conte didn't aprrove him as a starter and Ziegler didn't like that, so as I said, he requested a trasnfer. His interviews didn't claim Conte wants him gone, the interviews said that he does not see Ziegler as a starter. 'Maybe he was angry...' If you read my post, that is exactly what I said.

sciacca wrote:

MMM wrote:We are all foolish cause according to his interviews by different sources Zigler declared conte doesn't want him and according to you maybe he was angry that he isn't first choice and decided to go to turkey?!!
He said he wanted to stay at juve
Marotta couldn't send him away without conte approval

First of all, to make it clear, I DIDN'T MENTION MAROTTA.The whole point I'm trying to say is don't even blame Conte. Conte didn't aprrove him as a starter and Ziegler didn't like that, so as I said, he requested a trasnfer. His interviews didn't claim Conte wants him gone, the interviews said that he does not see Ziegler as a starter. 'Maybe he was angry...' If you read my post, that is exactly what I said.

I said according to you, if your read my post.
and yes conte is to blame for this shameful transfer (even though I like him so much) he could convince zigler to stay and he didn't even though ziegler declared he wanted to stay and show his worth

Well why question Conte? He prefered De Ceglie over Ziegler, I also do. De Ceglie is a better fullback, sure Ziegler is a great subsitute for him and yes I do realize De Ceglie is injury prone. However if Ziegler couldn't accept the fact that he couldn't be a subsitute, Conte is not obliged to have a player with no motivation. He even has his buddy Lichsteiner, if that doesen't want Ziegler to stay in Juve then I don't know. The only small issue with Marotta here, is how much were in fact selling him for, apperently like 1-2m which is too lo w... but anyways.... Conte is not to blame, blame Ziegler for leaving and requesting it. And by the way... It was Del Neri who wanted Ziegler and not Conte, if he was never part of Conte's plans, they would of sold him immedietely. NOT last minute and have Grosso coming in without training the whole summer...

sciacca wrote:Well why question Conte? He prefered De Ceglie over Ziegler, I also do. De Ceglie is a better fullback, sure Ziegler is a great subsitute for him and yes I do realize De Ceglie is injury prone. However if Ziegler couldn't accept the fact that he couldn't be a subsitute, Conte is not obliged to have a player with no motivation. He even has his buddy Lichsteiner, if that doesen't want Ziegler to stay in Juve then I don't know. The only small issue with Marotta here, is how much were in fact selling him for, apperently like 1-2m which is too lo w... but anyways.... Conte is not to blame, blame Ziegler for leaving and requesting it. And by the way... It was Del Neri who wanted Ziegler and not Conte, if he was never part of Conte's plans, they would of sold him immedietely. NOT last minute and have Grosso coming in without training the whole summer...

PDC is much better option for our new style of playing in my humble opinion but if Zielger wasn't in his plans he should have thought for a replacement before the end of TM. suppose that they failed to bring any Lb (we bought 3 wingers but couldn't bring 1 lb?) they should have kept Ziegler. A top coach should have the ability to convince his players.

But that's my whole point, it has nothing to do with Ziegler not being in his plans, but being in his starting XI. Conte never wanted a new LB as Ziegler was the right player for the bench. The problem lies on Ziegler, deciding last minute that he didn't want to be part of the squad anymore, as he realized that him being a bench warmer was unacceptable. And once again I repeat he requested a transfer. And once again I also repeat, why convince to have a player who is not motivated to play in Juventus? Conte wants players who will embrace the Juventus shirt, regardless of being on the bench or starting and so, why keep him? Convincing Ziegler is irrelavent as it's not the best way to go with having a player who does not want to play for your whole squad. What does Marotta have to lose? He's making profit...

Beautiful.

Juve lets go of their most compatent LB and relies on a 5 year past his prime Grosso and PDC who hasn't proven squat to play LB for them.

sciacca wrote:But that's my whole point, it has nothing to do with Ziegler not being in his plans, but being in his starting XI. Conte never wanted a new LB as Ziegler was the right player for the bench. The problem lies on Ziegler, deciding last minute that he didn't want to be part of the squad anymore, as he realized that him being a bench warmer was unacceptable. And once again I repeat he requested a transfer. And once again I also repeat, why convince to have a player who is not motivated to play in Juventus? Conte wants players who will embrace the Juventus shirt, regardless of being on the bench or starting and so, why keep him? Convincing Ziegler is irrelavent as it's not the best way to go with having a player who does not want to play for your whole squad. What does Marotta have to lose? He's making profit...

you're making stories to support conte

How am I making up stories?

sciacca wrote:How am I making up stories?

Just read your posts.you're imagining...

MMM wrote:

sciacca wrote:How am I making up stories?

Just read your posts.you're imagining...

Alright what ever you say. I'm imagining that Ziegler wanted to stay in Juventus and that Conte was at fault for not convincing him to stay. Great to hear

sciacca wrote:

MMM wrote:

sciacca wrote:How am I making up stories?

Just read your posts.you're imagining...

Alright what ever you say. I'm imagining that Ziegler wanted to stay in Juventus and that Conte was at fault for not convincing him to stay. Great to hear

all Ziegler interviews from different sources are BS and your story about him "play me or I'll leave" is right.Fine!

'All' his interviews. You mean two right? Where he claimed him and Conte never saw eye to eye? When Conte made clear that he was a subsitute and not a starter...? I see.

sciacca wrote:'All' his interviews. You mean two right? Where he claimed him and Conte never saw eye to eye? When Conte made clear that he was a subsitute and not a starter...? I see.

Fine you're right.I don't have all day to argue on it...