Honest Question to Ask You...

Zealous wrote:I have an erection right now though so that doesn't mean very much.

lol, i hope you key board is at safe distance at least

you are biased , simple as that. If Benzema says he loves the club, you will take it with a pinch of salt, understandably. If Higgy says the same,

anyway, I didnt want this thread to turn into another flame fest

back on topic guys

Zealous wrote:

sportsczy wrote:

Zealous wrote:He wasn't playing... but he wasn't working in training either. Then he had the gal to consider leaving as if we were mistreating him.

He expected to be handed a starting spot. That much was obvious. Whether he finally understood that you play when you work hard in training is still a doubt I have about him.

Career always >>>>>> club. If it wasn't working out for him for whatever reason and he had opportunities elsewhere, he would be stupid not to look at them.

Let me ask you... If you were passed up for promotion at your job for over a year and you had the opportunity to take the bigger job at another company, would you pass it up?

This is the kid's career and the prime years of a footballer are very short (5-7 years). As a player, you can't afford to hang around and hope for the best for too long if your ambitions aren't met.

Anelka said the exact same thing when he was here and FYI your analogy totally collapsed when said the "bigger job" there isn't a bigger job IMO. I'm biased obviously but that's what it takes to impress me. Benzema's career is hardly anything I care about if it isn't at Real Madrid.

That's hardly rational dude and you're judgin his character because he doesn't use the same frame of reference in making decisions as you... Basically, you want unconditional loyalty. Raul didn't even have that and he came through the Madrid system. Neither did Sarabia or he would still be at Castilla.

Benz' ambition is not to rot on the bench at Madrid. He has personal goals he wants to achieve and he would have gotten dropped from the France Nt. He had no choice but to look for outside options.

Btw, if Higuain is rotting on the bench and his Argentina NT spot was in jeopardy, he would look elsewhere too... And very rightly so.

Meh, you guys know my stance on this subject

It'll take a lot at this point to convince me otherwise and I appreciate that I'm biased but I'm biased for a reason.

Like I said before I think there is a lot of room for both.

we wont sell them as long as mourinho knows how to handle the sitauation and make them both happy. im sure he wants to keep both.

as he said theyare intransferable

Benz-----Ronaldo-----Higuain

Benz----Higuain------Ronaldo

Ronaldo----Benz------Higuain

why not. Benz is better then CR as left striker, he can be the goto guy, ronaldo can be the scary target man, higuain can be the shadow striker. All three exchange positions to their favourite place from time to time.

We can make it as easy as this. and it will work 10000% percent.

The rule should be, that if anyone of them doesnt help in defence and is a pussy (what ever that means lol), then he should be shown the famous white door.

As easy as that.

Nick, just catching up with this thread.

I don't think anything will happen this year.

Mou is going with only 20 players and that includes both Benz and Higgy. (20 excludes Kaka (seems like those quotes a few weeks ago when we couldn't understand the # were right since he repeated today, number is 20, note it gets inflated to 24 until Leon, Gago, Lass and Drenthe are dealt with).

I believe they are both vital to the club for this year even after Neymar comes.

Re next year, sure it's a possibility but that depends on quite a few things;

1) has Higgy regained his form
2) your assuming that Mou will have starter / sub, but what if he goes to a true rotation with the 2 once Higgy is back to form.
3) Is Morate ready to take 2nd striker spot, if not who do we get for that riole.
4) and of course it will depend on how well the eason went and what value to it, did Benz and Higgy make.

Nick, sportsczy made a very good point about fitness issues in 60-70 games per year.
He forgot to add that our forwards have to do a lot of cover job and backtracking in defence. The job is very hard and wears down the striker over time I'm more than sure that all of our attacking will get substantional playing time. Even if Higgy plays 1/3 of all the 60-70 for RM and Argentine, it would be more than enough. Count form and unforseen injury issues in and we might even need Morata to step in at some point
Higgy is going nowhere, even if he isn't automatic starter in big games. I'm with zealous on it, his attitude is different

For big games, i think benz is equally effective as higuain as ronaldo. In other words, Benz = Pipa = CR7 > Ozil > Dimaria against all big teams including barca.

Let me tell u this though.

If we decide to play Trio of Ronaldo (CF), Benz (LF), Higuain (RF) and they play together and build a real chemistry with creating space, scoring and destroying defences. Then this trio will be more exiting, more effective then barca's trio.

SuperMAG wrote:Benz-----Ronaldo-----Higuain

Benz----Higuain------Ronaldo

Ronaldo----Benz------Higuain

why not. Benz is better then CR as left striker, he can be the goto guy, ronaldo can be the scary target man, higuain can be the shadow striker. All three exchange positions to their favourite place from time to time.

We can make it as easy as this. and it will work 10000% percent.

The rule should be, that if anyone of them doesnt help in defence and is a pussy (what ever that means lol), then he should be shown the famous white door.

As easy as that.

Wut a very interesting post..... Havent seen u around before. my memory is bad, were u in the old forums as well?

benz shud be the cf whilst cr7 and pipa be the L/R strikers in a 4-3-1-2. ur idea isnt bad at all though. interesting...

He has used that formation often last season when we needed a goal in the 2nd half, unfortunately with the way Mou plans I don't he'll ever start with that formation.

He likes to have good options in the bench as we all know. Personally I don't mind it, it will make our attack lethal and it would end the Benz/Higgs cold war happening in here

all higuain needs is confidence and form

knowing how much heart he puts into his game and how high his determination is I see him regaining his starting position sooner than later

Excuse me if i'm bumping up this thread. Nick's thread at General Section has been closed to due trolling.

It's difficult, on one side there is a guy we are all emotionally attached to, but he isnt on the first plan anymore. And on the other, there is a guy that worked his asses off to stick around, didnt give up despite all the criticism, and is looking like he can offer an even wider range of skills in attack for us, and be a more complete forward. Choosing between heart and performance. painful one way or another, as im sure, benzema can just as much grow on us.

Nick that part made me think that you want Higuain out of our club. it's true that atm Higuain isn't on Mourinho's plan but we can't predict the future. if he manages to recover or Benzema gets injured suddenly, he can take his spot back again. since a CF's job is to score, i can see Mourinho would prefer a poacher for this position. a fully recovered Higuain can score more goals than Benzema.

yh some scrubs trolled my thread.

I dont want higuain out, i just dont believe in two top strikers vying for a single striking position. The star CF of Argentina and the star CF of france cant be sharing roles at Real Madrid, long term i dont think it will happen.

Benzema just happens to be 1st choice now, a year ago, with Higuain still being 1st choice, he would have left. Now roles are reversed.

Mourinho's system as evolved a lot. Our CF now does a lot more than just staying up top and finishing. He is involved in the passing, the build up, creating spaces, defending etc...

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:yh some scrubs trolled my thread.

I dont want higuain out, i just dont believe in two top strikers vying for a single striking position. The star CF of Argentina and the star CF of france cant be sharing roles at Real Madrid, long term i dont think it will happen.

Benzema just happens to be 1st choice now, a year ago, with Higuain still being 1st choice, he would have left. Now roles are reversed.

Mourinho's system as evolved a lot. Our CF now does a lot more than just staying up top and finishing. He is involved in the passing, the build up, creating spaces, defending etc...

Wrong thread i fail

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:yh some scrubs trolled my thread.

I dont want higuain out, i just dont believe in two top strikers vying for a single striking position. The star CF of Argentina and the star CF of france cant be sharing roles at Real Madrid, long term i dont think it will happen.

Benzema just happens to be 1st choice now, a year ago, with Higuain still being 1st choice, he would have left. Now roles are reversed.

Mourinho's system as evolved a lot. Our CF now does a lot more than just staying up top and finishing. He is involved in the passing, the build up, creating spaces, defending etc...

Well we can't use them at the same time but you need to consider how many matches Real Madrid play in a single season. nearly 60 matches in a season. we need more than 1 WC player for every position. that's why i see no problem with having them for long term.

About the change of Mou's method, actually Mou was forced to change his tactics because when Higuain got injured we didn't have any poacher to play at this position. what i've seen from the Mou's past managerial experience proves that he always prefered a poacher for CF position.

At Chelsea it was Drogba and at Inter it was Milito. not sure if he stays by his method in Real Madrid though.

El Pipita wrote:
Well we can't use them at the same time but you need to consider how many matches Real Madrid play in a single season. nearly 60 matches in a season. we need more than 1 WC player for every position. that's why i see no problem with having them for long term.

About the change of Mou's method, actually Mou was forced to change his tactics because when Higuain got injured we didn't have any poacher to play at this position. what i've seen from the Mou's past managerial experience proves that he always prefered a poacher for CF position.

At Chelsea it was Drogba and at Inter it was Milito. not sure if he stays by his method in Real Madrid though.

Yeah, we play a lot of games, and two top strikers is a must. However, you will get to a point where each will want to be a the main starter. You have the main man and the other CF who knows he will play a lot and is part of the rotation.

Strikers are ambitious, they will want to play as many games as they can to write their own legend, to score as many goals as they can and leave their name in the history of the club. And sometimes you will have a striker rolling, scoring games after games, and how are you going to tell him to sit next game because his time is off? Not to mention, they big games, the CL duels against Utd, Milan etc... Each will want to start everyone of those, it's a matter of pride.

Also in terms of competition for the NT, HIguain is starting now by design, he is the best natural 9 they have, but what if Aguero is rolling 40 goals a season with city, and higuain is not able to follow trail because he is in a heavy rotation system? it will get to a point where Higuain has to step down. Same could apply to Benzema but he has no competition atm...

Imo, at some point, pride kicks in, and you want to be the main guy, destroying teams on your way, playing every week. Top CFs of the past decade were all uncontested: Drogba, Etoo, Sheva, Torres etc... It's difficult to have suitable back ups. But it's also easier not to bring Torres and Etoo in the same team to compete for top CF role, because if our CFs both have potential to reach the top of football, they wont be able to share a single spot.

Often, you need two players from different generations, or at least a CF with limited reach internationally. Say you have Higuain/Benzema and Dzeko for ex. you could make it work, because Dzeko might not develop the same kind of ambition as the others, unless he has sick potential. Or higuain/Benzema and Llorente for ex. An NT top player, but not necessarily on the first plan in his NT.

I doubt two prime players can share the glory.

Both of them suck for now One is incomplete and the other's ceiling not high enough...
Before you guys continue the endless discussion, Benz in la liga is coming up soon (2nd game) Delay your debates for after the game

one game cant make that much difference.

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:one game cant make that much difference.

I gave you my 'honest' answer

babun1024 wrote:

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:one game cant make that much difference.

I gave you my 'honest' answer

thx for the laugh buddy

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:

babun1024 wrote:

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:one game cant make that much difference.

I gave you my 'honest' answer

thx for the laugh buddy

Nick, this debate will go to nowhere unless you present proofs. There're no better proofs than games Let Benz play then discuss the rest

I'm not debating about how many goals he will score.

It went back to whether we can keep both if they are turning into top players, both competing for a CF spot.

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:I'm not debating about how many goals he will score.

It went back to whether we can keep both if they are turning into top players, both competing for a CF spot.

For now, they suck Everyone who reads this, they're not worth discussing that much. When they're really top forwards come back with the starting role problem. Benz isn't fast, can't head and runs after the ball too often on counters. Higgy is crippled,right now...
None of them are completly WC, yet

It was a general question dude, theoretical argument, i see no harm done

Yeah, we play a lot of games, and two top strikers is a must. However, you will get to a point where each will want to be a the main starter. You have the main man and the other CF who knows he will play a lot and is part of the rotation.

Strikers are ambitious, they will want to play as many games as they can to write their own legend, to score as many goals as they can and leave their name in the history of the club. And sometimes you will have a striker rolling, scoring games after games, and how are you going to tell him to sit next game because his time is off? Not to mention, they big games, the CL duels against Utd, Milan etc... Each will want to start everyone of those, it's a matter of pride.

Also in terms of competition for the NT, HIguain is starting now by design, he is the best natural 9 they have, but what if Aguero is rolling 40 goals a season with city, and higuain is not able to follow trail because he is in a heavy rotation system? it will get to a point where Higuain has to step down. Same could apply to Benzema but he has no competition atm...

Imo, at some point, pride kicks in, and you want to be the main guy, destroying teams on your way, playing every week. Top CFs of the past decade were all uncontested: Drogba, Etoo, Sheva, Torres etc... It's difficult to have suitable back ups. But it's also easier not to bring Torres and Etoo in the same team to compete for top CF role, because if our CFs both have potential to reach the top of football, they wont be able to share a single spot.

Often, you need two players from different generations, or at least a CF with limited reach internationally. Say you have Higuain/Benzema and Dzeko for ex. you could make it work, because Dzeko might not develop the same kind of ambition as the others, unless he has sick potential. Or higuain/Benzema and Llorente for ex. An NT top player, but not necessarily on the first plan in his NT.

I doubt two prime players can share the glory.

I got what's your point, no need to explain something in every possible way, i answer you short because people are getting tired of this debate.

I personally think for Higuain it doesn't matter if he gets benched, neither Benz would say something, both of them are classy and wouldn't make trouble. as for the NT i do think Higuain's spot depends on how he performs with Madrid, being a bench player wouldn't effect it as long as he scores regularly. (doing his job) after all Argentine's coach have two healthy eyes and can see that we are using a rotation system because of 2 WC strikers. btw i don't think Aguero is challenging with Higuain, he has already guaranteed a spot on the team. their front line up would be something like that:

Yeah we can stop now, it was fun while it lasted