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Post by El Gunner Sun Jul 07, 2024 12:42 pm

halamadrid2 wrote:
Myesyats wrote:Everybody sucks in that England team so they be giving MOTM to anyone, nobody deserved it for that performance but Saka got the goal so they gave it to him

Honestly think he is having a pretty timid tournament, aside from that goal yesterday he's been pretty mid
Elgunner is juts trolling as usual. Bellingham has gotten 2 MoTM awards for England yet he is getting attacked every single game.

Watching England is like watching shit on a stick. Once Palmer gets in the team Saka will only be in contention to play LB. Elgunner is celebrating 4 dribbles. You couldn't make it up Laughing

that was just 4 dribbles in one half, and it was already more than any other player in the tournament in one game tongue

both Palmer and Foden have gotten game time, and yet Saka is the one that mostly played on the right wing and the most minutes overall tongue
the fact that he can play LB, is actually no knock one him... it's speaks to his versatility and how much his coaches believe in him

Vini would be rinsed at LB, that much i know Laughing
there's genuinely levels to this shit... outside of UCL stats, Saka beats Vini in every statistical category... it's like the Messi v Ronaldo discussion all over again

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Post by futbol_bill Sun Jul 07, 2024 1:06 pm

What a crock! The new battle to replace Messi / Ronaldo
Is going to be Mbappe / Haaland. Players like Bellingham, Vini, maybe even Güler will creep into conversation occasionally, but highly doubt Saka with his 4 dribbles will even be mentioned except in England.
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Post by El Gunner Sun Jul 07, 2024 3:33 pm

oh my god, is everyone on this forum stupid?

this is the reason i said just like Messi v Ronaldo:
"outside of UCL stats, Saka beats Vini in every statistical category"
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Post by Arquitecto Sun Jul 07, 2024 3:37 pm

Calling everyone on the forum stupid but using statistical metrics to compare Saka versus one of the best players in the world.

Oppurtunism and cognitive dissonance at its finest Laughing
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Post by Arquitecto Sun Jul 07, 2024 3:39 pm

*Saka gets a goal v Switzerland or Swaziland*

Thread gets bumped.

Saka accrues 4 dribbles v Nottingham Forest

*Thread updated*

Saka completes 95% passes

*etc*


Meanwhile Vinicius..
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Post by halamadrid2 Sun Jul 07, 2024 3:46 pm

This comparison is so cringe. I find it amusing
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Post by Pedram Sun Jul 07, 2024 4:48 pm

I thought this discussion was gonna be finally over when Vinicius was literally the man responsible for our league and CL title this season.

Saka is a good player but he is simply not in Vinicius' league, they are miles apart.
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Post by El Gunner Sun Jul 07, 2024 6:58 pm

Arquitecto wrote:*Saka gets a goal v Switzerland or Swaziland*

Thread gets bumped.

Saka accrues 4 dribbles v Nottingham Forest

*Thread updated*

Saka completes 95% passes

*etc*


Meanwhile Vinicius..

meanwhile where, honestly, where is Vinicius outside of UCL?
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Post by Myesyats Sun Jul 07, 2024 7:18 pm

Saka is better internationally but that is not enough, at club level Vincius led his team to CL and was decisive, can't see Saka doing that, he is not a player that will take the weight of the game on his shoulders

Statistically Raphinha is better than Vinicius internationally too, but is he the better player? Well quite obviously not at all
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Post by El Gunner Sun Jul 07, 2024 7:53 pm

okay good... at least up to this point i can get you lot to admit he is better internationally... the rest will follow, just give it time Thumbs up

Saka also has better league stats than Vini over the past two seasons (perhaps even other previous seasons too, i haven't fact checked so far)... in arguably a more competitive league 1 through 20 :whistle:
Saka is also better at tracking back, and putting in defensive work... in fact he is the best in his position at doing that in the world currently... no other wide forward comes close, actually

Vini has a flair and directness to his attacking game that Saka doesn't naturally have... and that's all he has over Saka
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Post by halamadrid2 Mon Jul 08, 2024 6:09 am

Nobody even rates Saka that highly. We have pundits every week arguing whether Saka is WC or not and here we have Elgunner trying to convince us by hook or by crook that he is in the same conversation as the best player in the world Laughing


Thought we put this to bed last season. I suppose it'll be one of those threads that'll be kept alive by Elgunner everytime Saka has remotely a productive game.

We have about 4 wingers better than Saka in our team
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Post by Arquitecto Mon Jul 08, 2024 12:39 pm

Stats again Laughing This isn't Moneybag or NHL. Stats do not tell the whole game as otherwise Jorginho or Cole Palmer are the best players in the world.

Unless we are speaking of bypassing out wide and sending in acute passes to the box, because Saka is not particularly adept in tight spaces, then there is not a single thing Saka is better at than Vini, not a single thing. And it's not even close.

Vini is not even a player I rated highly before this year. This year blew Bukake Saka out of the water.
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Post by El Gunner Mon Jul 08, 2024 6:26 pm

i'm genuinely just trying to promote honest conversation... guess this forum has fallen so far down the toilet...

in all honesty, it was always only me, Jay and Cas with worthwhile football input...
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Post by Clutch Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:28 am

I like saka a lot but vini is just better.

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Post by Myesyats Tue Jul 09, 2024 11:34 am

But there is no conversation to be had imo.

I am by no means a Vini fan or enjoyer and as much as it pains me to admit, he is way more quality than Saka in every imaginable way other than defensive input probably.

Saka should be compared to Rodrygo and Yamal, comparison with Vini is misplaced at this point in time.
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Post by futbol_bill Tue Jul 09, 2024 12:31 pm

And soon will be to Yamal as well!
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Post by halamadrid2 Wed Jul 10, 2024 10:36 pm

Another great showing by Saka......Laughing
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Post by Arquitecto Thu Jul 11, 2024 12:05 pm

Saka completed most of his passes and had an offside goal. WHY aren't we having a good honest conversation about that! What a Face
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Post by halamadrid2 Yesterday at 7:04 am

How long until this guy gets replaced by Palmer in the line up?

The Declan Rice of wingers.

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Post by futbol_bill Yesterday at 10:37 am

Si h but didn’t Saka excel in the Euros? lol rofl
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Post by Pedram Yesterday at 11:51 am

And as always El Gunner is silent when Saka flops.
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Post by futbol_bill Yesterday at 12:41 pm

I think we should change this to Saka vs Rodrygo. It’s pretty obvious to everyone except EG that Saka is no where close to Vini and soon we can expect a similar distance from Güler. I say Rodrygo is a better milestone that Saka can hope to achieve. At this stage, I think Rodrygo is ahead, but once Güler takes Rodrygo’s spot in starting lineup, Rodrygo is likely to go to EPL. Then it will be a valid comparison, same league, similar position.


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Post by Arquitecto Yesterday at 1:34 pm

He was completely and utterly out of his depth yesterday despite Cucarella panicking over him like a bat out of hell.

Dribble dribble dribble, cut left pass.
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Post by futbol_bill Yesterday at 2:39 pm

Lol, Curarella whole game is moving like a bat out of hell. He may look like panicking but it isn’t and is effective. I just didn’t know how he keeps it up for 90 minutes.
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Post by El Gunner Yesterday at 5:06 pm

Pedram wrote:And as always El Gunner is silent when Saka flops.

i don't understand? if it wasn't for him the goal doesn't happen
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Post by halamadrid2 Yesterday at 7:07 pm

Bellingham salvaged that ball after having the ball played behind him. Saka couldn't even do that right
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