Re: 2020/21 Premier League Discussion

by Jay29 Tue Oct 06, 2020 4:08 am

But in honour of his redundancy:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2018/may/15/david-squires-on-the-north-bank-redemption-arsene-wenger-arsenal

by RealGunner Tue Oct 06, 2020 4:10 am

by Art Morte Wed Oct 07, 2020 1:55 am

There have been an average of 3.79 goalsper game - the highest in an English top flight since the 3.95 goals per game in 1930-31.

by Myesyats Wed Oct 07, 2020 2:22 am

Ozil offered to pay Gunnersaurus' salary :bow:

glad to know our management is not the stupidest one out there lol

by Kaladin Wed Oct 07, 2020 3:05 am

Jogba
Ball Hogba
barber-to-barber midfielder
Deep-lying social media influencer
Pogbass
Ali Dia https://t.co/Ymx1PsmGaL
— Synne (@synne_17) October 6, 2020

Deceased

by Helmer Wed Oct 07, 2020 3:11 am

Art Morte wrote:
There have been an average of 3.79 goalsper game - the highest in an English top flight since the 3.95 goals per game in 1930-31.

seems like FA is trying to fix the higher scorelines to maintain the popularity of EPL even during corona times Laughing

by Helmer Wed Oct 07, 2020 3:12 am

Kaladin wrote:
Jogba
Ball Hogba
barber-to-barber midfielder
Deep-lying social media influencer
Pogbass
Ali Dia https://t.co/Ymx1PsmGaL
— Synne (@synne_17) October 6, 2020

Deceased

crazy

by RealGunner Wed Oct 07, 2020 3:16 am

Kaladin wrote:
Jogba
Ball Hogba
barber-to-barber midfielder
Deep-lying social media influencer
Pogbass
Ali Dia https://t.co/Ymx1PsmGaL
— Synne (@synne_17) October 6, 2020

Deceased

ffs

by El Gunner Wed Oct 07, 2020 3:31 am

Kaladin wrote:
Jogba
Ball Hogba
barber-to-barber midfielder
Deep-lying social media influencer
Pogbass
Ali Dia https://t.co/Ymx1PsmGaL
— Synne (@synne_17) October 6, 2020

Deceased

im done

by Art Morte Wed Oct 07, 2020 3:31 am

Barber-to-barber midfielder lmao rofl

by Hapless_Hans Wed Oct 07, 2020 8:52 am

Mesut Özil offers to pay to keep man inside Gunnersaurus in Arsenal job

Jerry Quy made redundant from mascot role after 27 years
Özil ready to pay for ‘our big green guy’ while with club

Mesut Özil has offered to pay the full salary of Jerry Quy, the man inside Arsenal’s famous Gunnersaurus mascot costume, for as long as he remains a player at the club.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/oct/06/mesut-ozil-offers-to-pay-to-keep-man-inside-gunnersaurus-in-arsenal-job

Molenation

by Doc Wed Oct 07, 2020 2:34 pm

Trying to genuinely figure out how a mascot's salary is truly affecting the bottom-line of the club but I suppose the number crunchers went through real data to come up with such a move.

Good on Ozil though, that's nice of him.

by Robespierre Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:32 pm

Well Ozil was also the only one Arsenal player to not wanting to cut his salary in June , basically he's trying to save his face now

by M99 Thu Oct 08, 2020 12:37 am

Robespierre wrote:Well Ozil was also the only one Arsenal player to not wanting to cut his salary in June , basically he's trying to save his face now

He wanted to know from the board how the finances were gonna be allocated. His skepticism was proved right when non-playing staff got fired anyway.

by halamadrid2 Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:39 am

I find it hypocritical of clubs to demand players taking paycuts only to go out buying players with huge salaries and laying off staff. I am glad Ozil stood his groumd

by Thimmy Thu Oct 08, 2020 9:56 am

halamadrid2 wrote:I find it hypocritical of clubs to demand players taking paycuts only to go out buying players with huge salaries and laying off staff. I am glad Ozil stood his groumd

To be fair, hiring Firenze to sell popcorn in an empty stadium, doesn't quite make as much sense as to bring in a player that both increases revenue, team success and helps appease fans in the long-term hmm

by Kaladin Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:12 pm

This just came to my attention

2020/21 Premier League Discussion - Page 37 Eg9z65PUMAEOuPY?format=jpg&name=900x900

So fucking cringe :facepalm:

by Harmonica Thu Oct 08, 2020 8:13 pm

Art Morte wrote:
There have been an average of 3.79 goalsper game - the highest in an English top flight since the 3.95 goals per game in 1930-31.

That comparison doesn't really make sense. Beginning of the season usually sees higher gpp, and it will come down for end of the season.

by RealGunner Fri Oct 09, 2020 3:49 am

Kaladin wrote:This just came to my attention

So fucking cringe

Lol this is pathetic

by AlphaBeast Fri Oct 09, 2020 4:50 am

Robespierre wrote:Well Ozil was also the only one Arsenal player to not wanting to cut his salary in June , basically he's trying to save his face now

I wouldn't want to cut my salary either, if you are going to spend dozens of millions of $$ on transfers of Partey or Gabriel and other transfers.

At least in RM, when all the players forwent their bonuses and didnt collect it, the RM board had the dignity not to act shady and go use that money to buy other players.

That's plain disrespectful.

Ozil is right.

by Hapless_Hans Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:40 am

M99 wrote:
Robespierre wrote:Well Ozil was also the only one Arsenal player to not wanting to cut his salary in June , basically he's trying to save his face now

He wanted to know from the board how the finances were gonna be allocated. His skepticism was proved right when non-playing staff got fired anyway.

Also, he wasn't the only player, just the only player whose name the club leaked to the press to give him a bad rep with the fans and the public.
They've been trying to push him out with all kinds of methods.

by El Gunner Sun Oct 11, 2020 5:42 am

by Doc Sun Oct 11, 2020 7:52 am

I always feel that way whenever there is internationals tbh

by RealGunner Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:08 am

Man Utd and Liverpool driving 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up in a generation.

The two clubs have worked together on a radical set of proposals – called “Project Big Picture” - that will reshape the finances of the game. The Premier League, the most lucrative sports league in the world, would see a reduction to 18 teams, and controlling power in the hands of the biggest clubs.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/10/11/world-exclusive-man-utd-liverpool-driving-project-big-picture/

What an absolute disgrace.

by BarrileteCosmico Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:44 am

RealGunner wrote:Man Utd and Liverpool driving 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up in a generation.

The two clubs have worked together on a radical set of proposals – called “Project Big Picture” - that will reshape the finances of the game. The Premier League, the most lucrative sports league in the world, would see a reduction to 18 teams, and controlling power in the hands of the biggest clubs.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/10/11/world-exclusive-man-utd-liverpool-driving-project-big-picture/

What an absolute disgrace.

Hard to see how the FA would approve this, doesn't every club get an equal vote?

all for scrapping the league cup tho

There would be two automatic promotion places for Championship clubs, but the third, fourth and fifth placed clubs would be in a play-off tournament with the 16th placed Premier League club.

Interesting to see how this would play out. Would be demoralizing to finish 16, be 'safe' from relegation and then have to play championship clubs.

New rules for the distribution of Premier League television income, overseas and domestic, including proposals that base one portion on performance over three years in the league

This seems rather anti-competitive.

Seems like the strategy is to pitch EFL + 9 shareholder clubs vs mid-clubs, who are likely to get screwed.

by Jay29 Mon Oct 12, 2020 1:13 am

So the proposal is quite extensive. Some of it actually sounds okay, but there're plenty of red flags, too.

Shameless copied from Reddit:

Rescue Fund
An immediate rescue fund of £350,000,000 to the English Football League and Football Association for lost revenues of 2019/20 and 2020/21

For the EFL:

£50,000,000 to cover 2019/20 EFL matchday losses;

Up to £200,000,000 available to cover 2020/21 EFL matchday losses;

Money will be advanced to the EFL from increased future revenues.

For the FA:

£100,000,000 in grants, made up of £55,000,000 to cover operational losses, £25,000,000 for clubs below the EFL, £10,000,000 for the Women’s Super League and Championship, £10,000,000 for grassroots

Funds to be made available by the Premier League through loans guaranteed by the clubs.

Infrastructure Plan
Infrastructure funding of 6% of Premier League gross revenues to be distributed annually to the top four divisions.

Each club will receive £100 per seat annually.

Infrastructure funding can only be used for stadia and fan experiences.

Fan Charter
A cap of £20 on Premier League away ticketing (adjusted every 3 years for inflation)

Subsidised Premier League away travel

Safe-standing sections at the discretion of each club, subject to government permission.

Away sections must provide at least 3,000 or 8% of capacity, whichever is higher.

Annual Good Causes
An increase of 66% in annual contributions to good causes in England.

A total of 5% of Premier League gross income to be contributed annually to good causes and grassroots football, to include focus on combatting racism and discrimination.

Redistribution of Media & Sponsorship Revenues (three possible options)
Option A: 50% equal, 25% current-year merit, 25% previous 3-year merit

A greater emphasis will be placed on merit in both the Premier League and the Championship with half of payments reflecting positions over the past four years.

Option B: Current Premier League distribution scheme (50% equal, 25% by merit and 25% by facility fees) but newly promoted clubs must holdback £25m of first two years in the Premier League to mitigate risk of relegation.

Option C: Current Premier League distribution scheme, but newly promoted clubs receive 25% of their allocated Facility Fees for first 3 years in league.

For all above options:
Excluding parachute payments and including new infrastructure payments, solidarity from the Premier League to the English Football League would increase from 4% to 25%.

Premier League and English Football League domestic and international media rights will be collectively sold by the Premier League.

Compensation payments to The EFL and FA, infrastructure monies and related borrowings are deducted prior to determination of distributable revenues.

Pyramid structure
The Premier League, originally formed to house 18 clubs,would be reduced from 20 to 18 clubs.

This would free up the calendar and, with fewer teams and an end to parachute payments, provide additional resources to the EFL.

Reduction from 38 to 34 rounds of matches will also aid the national team.

Championships, League One and League Two to all be made up of 24 clubs

Promotion and relegation
Premier League relegation. At least 2 clubs automatically relegated annually

Championship promotion: 1st and 2nd automatically promoted.

Club finishing 16th in the Premier League joins four team Championship play-off tournament with teams who finish 3rd, 4th and 5th. Semi-finals would be 16th place PL team vs 5th place Championships team nad 3rd place Championship team against 4th place Championship team.

Championship relegation – 3 clubs

Leagues One and Two: promotion of 3 clubs. Relegation of 4 clubs

Club media
All Premier League clubs have the exclusive rights to sell eight live matches a season directly to fans via their own digital platforms in all international territories.

All Premier League and Championship clubs allowed to show limited in-match highlights on their own digital platforms.

No more than 27 games per club will be shown live in UK per season

Saturday 3pm broadcast blackouts remain to help protect EFL attendance

Other competitions
League Cup and Community Shield discontinued;

Establishment of a new independent league for the Women’s professional game, not to be owned by the Premier League or The Football Association;

FA Cup replays retained but there will be no replays in the winter break;

Premier League begins later in August and pre-season friendlies extended;

No more than two weeks between the end of the Premier League and the Champions League final;

Premier League clubs must participate at least once every five years in the Premier League summer tournament.

Other structural changes
Elite Player Performance Plan funding is included in the revenue received by EFL clubs;

Clubs in League One and below are no longer required to have an academy;

Clubs permitted to have up to 15 players out on loan domestically at any time, including up to four in a single English club. Introduction of one month loans for players under 23, an ability to recall loanees in the event of managerial change, incentivise loanee clubs through payments based on future performance or sale of loaned players;

Remove the scholarship clause permitting players to terminate at any stage.

Cost Controls & Related Party Income
Financial Fair Play rules that align with Uefa to ensure English clubs are not at a disadvantage in Europe;

A £50 million cap per annum on all related party transactions and a more stringent ‘related party’ definition;

Premier League executive provided with full access to clubs accounting information to investigate cost control

A joint Premier League and Championship body will monitor cost controls.

The English Football League will introduce hard salary caps.

Governance
All material matters relating to the business of the Premier League will require shareholder approval, except that the Board will decide whether to approve a new owner;

All votes will require more than two-thirds majority to be approved;

All other votes for the operation of the Premier League will be one-club, one-vote except those provided for under ‘Special Voting Rights’

Special Voting Rights
Each of the nine clubs who, at any time of determination, have been members of the Premier League continuously for more seasons than other clubs will be considered a ‘Long-Term Shareholder’.

Two-thirds of the long-term shareholders can cause to be adopted without approval from the other clubs:

i) the election or removal of the CEO and/or a member of the board;

ii) amendments to cost control rules and regulations;

iii) contracts for the sale of league broadcasting and media rights

Two-thirds of the long-term shareholders can prevent from being adopted resolutions to:

i) change the distribution rights of the sponsorship, commercial and broadcasting rights sold centrally;

ii) change the distribution to clubs from other PL centralised rights or assets

c) alter in a material way the nature of the competition

Two-thirds of the long-term shareholders can veto the Premier League board’s approval of a proposed new owner.

Context for all this: the UK government are pushing for the Premier League to bail out the EFL clubs who have been hit severely by the pandemic due to no fans being allowed in the grounds. Fans were due to return at the start of this month but gov walked back those plans after the increase in cases.

In effect, the big six clubs of the PL (United, Liverpool, City, Chelsea, Spurs and Arsenal) are willing to do that BUT only if they can gain more voting power. As "long-term shareholders", anything they agree in can be passed through, which is immediately sounds dubious to me. They'd be able to block takeovers from occurring for any of its members which is basically anti-competition.

On the other hand, the changes to parachute payments, the pledges to contribute more revenue to the EFL, hell even the changes to the pyramid structure sound okay. Certainly something needs to be done to address the widening wealth gap between the PL and EFL and protect clubs from going belly up.

At the same time, the other 14 PL clubs will look at this and see it as an attempt to decrease their own revenues. "Closing the gap" essentially means ensuring there are six clubs every year who get All The Money, and 14 others who get even less than they were.

In short, it's a power grab. They'll agree to do all these nice and sensible things for the other clubs in exchange to being able to undisputed rule the roost and have nobody disrupt them.

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