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Post by Harmonica Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:22 am

In the real world Leganes goal keeper actually escaped the red (by the rules) by tackling Suarez. Isn't VAR supposed to act on red card incidents?

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Post by Mamad Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:39 am

Look at the way that moron falls on the ground Laughing . the goalkeeper should have punched him in the teeth. f*cking cheater.
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Post by Doc Mon Jan 21, 2019 4:42 pm

That's an actual foul, uff, got away there.
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Post by Thimmy Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:44 pm

Good thing we have cameras all around the pitch, so we can use them to make correct calls, when the refs feel like using them Rolling Eyes
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Post by RealGunner Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:05 pm



Thoughts on that?
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Post by Jay29 Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:17 pm

RealGunner wrote:

Thoughts on that?

It's a legitimate concern and not the first time it's come up.

VAR is very useful to overturn obvious errors, but a foul in football is a very subjective thing in a lot of cases and there are always different interpretations. That human interpretation side of it isn't going to disappear. The difference now is that refs can stop the game and review a decision, which is what kills the emotional side of it.

One team scores, celebrates, everyone is going nuts... only to find the the ref has stopped things to check if a player had committed the tiniest of fouls that nobody would have spotted in real time. In that case, not giving the foul is understandable. Likewise with offsides. There should be a margin of error for linesman for tight offsides they can't possibly call accurately in real time.

I think football needs to avoid the mistakes cricket makes with DRS. Check for the obvious injustices and don't use the system to spot the most minor of infractions that nobody would have seen unless you watched a zoomed in, slowed down replay for five different angles. That's not the point of the system. If, after using it, the final decision is still questionable then the emotion of it all has been killed for nothing.

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Post by Warrior Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:20 pm

RealGunner wrote:

Thoughts on that?



A good summary of my posts from 2017 :coffee:
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Post by The Demon of Carthage Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:55 pm

Really strange. The referee chose to look at the screen when Ajax's disallowed goal was called into question by the guys in the booth, but he didn't do the same for Madrid's second, which should've been disallowed.

What's the point of having VAR ig it remains optional for the referee to look at it or not?
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Post by rincon Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:08 pm

RealGunner wrote:

Thoughts on that?

This can be the case. Most times it's not, and for that it's worth it.
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Post by Mamad Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:10 pm

Ajax's goal was clear offside.

The player who didn't let Courtis move for the ball was in offside position when they headed the ball. he was involved in the game while in offside position.

VAR room saw it and the referee saw it too.
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Post by RealGunner Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:11 pm

Discussion isn't about the ajax goal but rather that point Tim Vickery is making.
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Post by Mamad Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:12 pm

It was refs fault in the first place who didn't call offside.

Var will ruin celebrations for some and bring back hope to some.

but the main thing is, it will end the debate about teams winning by refs mistakes. well 99% of the time.
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Post by rincon Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:16 pm

It's not a well thought out point, or if so then not sensible enough.

VAR get's criticized for not being perfect (or not being implemented perfectly). Yet this is mostly a ridiculous standard. It can correct 80% of big mistakes and people ask about the 20%. Basically asking for "more VAR". And if the discussion is usually that VAR isn't implemented enough, then it means that VAR is positive.

Commenting on interrupting the emotions but then if there is no VAR everyone (players, media, fans) abuses the refs for weeks after every incident, and complains about the state of football. It's all "part of the game" until your team looses by the ref's mistakes.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:28 pm

rincon wrote:
RealGunner wrote:

Thoughts on that?

This can be the case. Most times it's not, and for that it's worth it.
Yeah no one said VAR is perfect, especially in it's current implementation (think things could be done to make things smoother and easier), but if it decreases unfair important decisions 4 of every 5 times it's still a huge improvement
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Post by Mr Nick09 Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:05 am

VAR was just and true to his purpose tonight, well done Uefa
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Post by adun101 Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:56 am

RealGunner wrote:

Thoughts on that?


My thoughts are that I don't give a fuck about the emotion and the flow of the game. It's a game, not a fucking soap opera. For all I care, they can make the games three hour long, like in the NFL.

Speaking of NFL, they use replay only for objective situations, but not for fouls, although they should really use it for the super obvious ones, like the interference in the Saints - Rams game. And that's how it should be used by FIFA too, for offside, GLT, who touched the ball last in case of a corner and for blatant fouls and handballs, but not for every little shit.
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Post by adun101 Thu Feb 14, 2019 1:04 am

Mr Nick09 wrote:VAR was just and true to his purpose tonight, well done Uefa


VAR shouldn't have even intervened because it wasn't obvious that the Ajax player was interfering with the play. Courtois wasn't getting at the ball, regardless of what he would have done, charge forward for a block or dive right for a save.

But then, I have no idea what the parameters are for VAR in UCL, they seem to differ from league to league, so who knows.
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Post by halamadrid2 Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:47 am

Uefa explained why the goal was disallowed. Next
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Post by rincon Sun Feb 17, 2019 1:11 pm

The biggest impact by VAR I've seen yet happened now in SPAL-Fiorentina.

Fiore was attacking, Chiesa was fouled in the box, SPAL recovered the ball, countered and scored the 2-1.

VAR notified the ref, the goal was dismissed and instead a penalty was call for Chiesa's action, which Fiore scored. Changing the score from 2-1 to 1-2.
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Post by sportsczy Sun Feb 17, 2019 1:13 pm

VAR is fine. Referees are still stupid. They blow the whistle and call off sides, for example, when they just need to shut up and let the play finish.

Rincon's example is perfect above. It's harsh... but it's justice. I'd rather get the correct decision.
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Post by RealGunner Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:38 pm



This is a great tweet

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Post by BarrileteCosmico Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:17 pm

Great VAR showing today. I can see either decision going the other way in the old world.
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Post by Robespierre Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:46 pm

VAR is justice and drama at same time, fantastic thing under every point of view.
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Post by Robespierre Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:49 pm

It works very well in Champions League though. Decisions are rapid (probably Ceferin never would accept a break of 6 minute for a decision. in Serie A can happen) and clear.
Uefa even gives explanation of the episode.
in Serie A it doesn't work at same way but it has to do with quality of refs , very poor in Italy .
I mean that ref of Juve-Ajax was just brilliant , and not just about VAR
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Post by neuro11 Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:41 am

I still don't understand a few things.
For a VAR review, is it mandatory that the Referee must call VAR referee for checking?

or VAR can interfere and change a decision even if the referee does not call for a review

Can players ask for a VAR review?

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Post by Robespierre Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:50 am

neuro11 wrote:I still don't understand a few things.
For a VAR review, is it mandatory that the Referee must call VAR referee for checking?

or VAR can interfere and change a decision even if the referee does not call for a review

Can players ask for a VAR review?


Every situation is controled .

It happens sometimes a "silent check", I mean "refs on the monitor" look at episodes and they don't call to ref on pitch if it is not relevant.
If the episode is controversial, they contact the ref on pitch. The ref on pitch decides if it is in line with what he 's watched.
If there is not still clearence (or it is particularly controversial), he can go to watch the episode on the "monitor" ( not obliged to do it though)

Players can't call VAR review absolutely, but rather they could get even a yellow card for it.
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