Re: The Official Video Assistant Referee Thread

[Harmonica]

In the real world Leganes goal keeper actually escaped the red (by the rules) by tackling Suarez. Isn't VAR supposed to act on red card incidents?

[Mamad]

Look at the way that moron falls on the ground . the goalkeeper should have punched him in the teeth. f*cking cheater.

[Doc]

That's an actual foul, uff, got away there.

[Thimmy]

Good thing we have cameras all around the pitch, so we can use them to make correct calls, when the refs feel like using them

[RealGunner]

The Ajax 'goal' shows why VAR, for all its atributes, will not live up to the claims of its advocates.
Many decisions are marginal, and remain so after the use of technology.
Long delay, interruption in the emotion of the game, and a final decision that is not necessaily better

— Tim Vickery (@Tim_Vickery) February 13, 2019

Thoughts on that?

[Jay29]

The Ajax 'goal' shows why VAR, for all its atributes, will not live up to the claims of its advocates.
Many decisions are marginal, and remain so after the use of technology.
Long delay, interruption in the emotion of the game, and a final decision that is not necessaily better

— Tim Vickery (@Tim_Vickery) February 13, 2019

Thoughts on that?

It's a legitimate concern and not the first time it's come up.

VAR is very useful to overturn obvious errors, but a foul in football is a very subjective thing in a lot of cases and there are always different interpretations. That human interpretation side of it isn't going to disappear. The difference now is that refs can stop the game and review a decision, which is what kills the emotional side of it.

One team scores, celebrates, everyone is going nuts... only to find the the ref has stopped things to check if a player had committed the tiniest of fouls that nobody would have spotted in real time. In that case, not giving the foul is understandable. Likewise with offsides. There should be a margin of error for linesman for tight offsides they can't possibly call accurately in real time.

I think football needs to avoid the mistakes cricket makes with DRS. Check for the obvious injustices and don't use the system to spot the most minor of infractions that nobody would have seen unless you watched a zoomed in, slowed down replay for five different angles. That's not the point of the system. If, after using it, the final decision is still questionable then the emotion of it all has been killed for nothing.

[Warrior]

The Ajax 'goal' shows why VAR, for all its atributes, will not live up to the claims of its advocates.
Many decisions are marginal, and remain so after the use of technology.
Long delay, interruption in the emotion of the game, and a final decision that is not necessaily better

— Tim Vickery (@Tim_Vickery) February 13, 2019

Thoughts on that?

A good summary of my posts from 2017

[The Demon of Carthage]

Really strange. The referee chose to look at the screen when Ajax's disallowed goal was called into question by the guys in the booth, but he didn't do the same for Madrid's second, which should've been disallowed.

What's the point of having VAR ig it remains optional for the referee to look at it or not?

[rincon]

The Ajax 'goal' shows why VAR, for all its atributes, will not live up to the claims of its advocates.
Many decisions are marginal, and remain so after the use of technology.
Long delay, interruption in the emotion of the game, and a final decision that is not necessaily better

— Tim Vickery (@Tim_Vickery) February 13, 2019

Thoughts on that?

This can be the case. Most times it's not, and for that it's worth it.

[Mamad]

Ajax's goal was clear offside.

The player who didn't let Courtis move for the ball was in offside position when they headed the ball. he was involved in the game while in offside position.

VAR room saw it and the referee saw it too.

[RealGunner]

Discussion isn't about the ajax goal but rather that point Tim Vickery is making.

[Mamad]

It was refs fault in the first place who didn't call offside.

Var will ruin celebrations for some and bring back hope to some.

but the main thing is, it will end the debate about teams winning by refs mistakes. well 99% of the time.

[rincon]

It's not a well thought out point, or if so then not sensible enough.

VAR get's criticized for not being perfect (or not being implemented perfectly). Yet this is mostly a ridiculous standard. It can correct 80% of big mistakes and people ask about the 20%. Basically asking for "more VAR". And if the discussion is usually that VAR isn't implemented enough, then it means that VAR is positive.

Commenting on interrupting the emotions but then if there is no VAR everyone (players, media, fans) abuses the refs for weeks after every incident, and complains about the state of football. It's all "part of the game" until your team looses by the ref's mistakes.

[BarrileteCosmico]

The Ajax 'goal' shows why VAR, for all its atributes, will not live up to the claims of its advocates.
Many decisions are marginal, and remain so after the use of technology.
Long delay, interruption in the emotion of the game, and a final decision that is not necessaily better

— Tim Vickery (@Tim_Vickery) February 13, 2019

Thoughts on that?

This can be the case. Most times it's not, and for that it's worth it.

Yeah no one said VAR is perfect, especially in it's current implementation (think things could be done to make things smoother and easier), but if it decreases unfair important decisions 4 of every 5 times it's still a huge improvement

[Mr Nick09]

VAR was just and true to his purpose tonight, well done Uefa

[adun101]

The Ajax 'goal' shows why VAR, for all its atributes, will not live up to the claims of its advocates.
Many decisions are marginal, and remain so after the use of technology.
Long delay, interruption in the emotion of the game, and a final decision that is not necessaily better

— Tim Vickery (@Tim_Vickery) February 13, 2019

Thoughts on that?

My thoughts are that I don't give a fuck about the emotion and the flow of the game. It's a game, not a fucking soap opera. For all I care, they can make the games three hour long, like in the NFL.

Speaking of NFL, they use replay only for objective situations, but not for fouls, although they should really use it for the super obvious ones, like the interference in the Saints - Rams game. And that's how it should be used by FIFA too, for offside, GLT, who touched the ball last in case of a corner and for blatant fouls and handballs, but not for every little shit.

[adun101]

VAR was just and true to his purpose tonight, well done Uefa

VAR shouldn't have even intervened because it wasn't obvious that the Ajax player was interfering with the play. Courtois wasn't getting at the ball, regardless of what he would have done, charge forward for a block or dive right for a save.

But then, I have no idea what the parameters are for VAR in UCL, they seem to differ from league to league, so who knows.

[halamadrid2]

Uefa explained why the goal was disallowed. Next

[rincon]

The biggest impact by VAR I've seen yet happened now in SPAL-Fiorentina.

Fiore was attacking, Chiesa was fouled in the box, SPAL recovered the ball, countered and scored the 2-1.

VAR notified the ref, the goal was dismissed and instead a penalty was call for Chiesa's action, which Fiore scored. Changing the score from 2-1 to 1-2.

[sportsczy]

VAR is fine. Referees are still stupid. They blow the whistle and call off sides, for example, when they just need to shut up and let the play finish.

Rincon's example is perfect above. It's harsh... but it's justice. I'd rather get the correct decision.

[RealGunner]

That minute - Sterling's goal, the bedlam, the desolation, the pause, the hush, the bedlam, the desolation - is genuinely one of the most remarkable things I've ever seen.

— Rory Smith (@RorySmith) April 17, 2019

This is a great tweet

[BarrileteCosmico]

Great VAR showing today. I can see either decision going the other way in the old world.

[Robespierre]

VAR is justice and drama at same time, fantastic thing under every point of view.

[Robespierre]

It works very well in Champions League though. Decisions are rapid (probably Ceferin never would accept a break of 6 minute for a decision. in Serie A can happen) and clear.
Uefa even gives explanation of the episode.
in Serie A it doesn't work at same way but it has to do with quality of refs , very poor in Italy .
I mean that ref of Juve-Ajax was just brilliant , and not just about VAR

[neuro11]

I still don't understand a few things.
For a VAR review, is it mandatory that the Referee must call VAR referee for checking?

or VAR can interfere and change a decision even if the referee does not call for a review

Can players ask for a VAR review?

[Robespierre]

I still don't understand a few things.
For a VAR review, is it mandatory that the Referee must call VAR referee for checking?

or VAR can interfere and change a decision even if the referee does not call for a review

Can players ask for a VAR review?

Every situation is controled .

It happens sometimes a "silent check", I mean "refs on the monitor" look at episodes and they don't call to ref on pitch if it is not relevant.
If the episode is controversial, they contact the ref on pitch. The ref on pitch decides if it is in line with what he 's watched.
If there is not still clearence (or it is particularly controversial), he can go to watch the episode on the "monitor" ( not obliged to do it though)

Players can't call VAR review absolutely, but rather they could get even a yellow card for it.

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