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footyfan01 wrote:Guy from Kosovo saying shi*? When you guys need foreign countries to prevent ethnic cleansing? And now you sit here hailing Muslims being hounded. I am an atheist, I give a lot of shi* to every religions & ofcourse to Islam especially with the freaking Saudis radicalizing people. But these comments equating all Muslims in a way is pure shit.

Muslims are being treated in a manner Jews were treated pre-Holocaust. Religion in general has a troubled history & even Christianity had a very violent past.

You have got a bunch of Nazi people in US calling them alt-right who are white supremacists running around - Idiotic Climate Change denying ultra low information racist people.

Today in 2017, we wonder how could people be silent when Jews were being ostracized pre-Hitler regime with this hate being build? It is being some despicable human beings that it happened & it is happening again.

Myesyats should be banned from this forum because you have to be a Minimum Decent Human Being to be here IMO, you can't get bigoted Islamophobes ! Having such people stains the dignity of the forum.

My reasoning is solely based on my personal safety and a lot of world leaders agree with me.

I condemned Trump's ban from the start (I thought it was legal at least from the legal side but it seems now it's not) but the thing I am against is mass immigration which is not in the country's best interests.

Also, it is my right to consider Islam as a religion that incites violence, even if only a small, uneducated portion of the population believes that.

Now the European Union seems to have gotten what I've been saying for a long time and for the next refugee wave they want to tighten the tracts on and about the Mediterranean Sea with trained soldiers and locate the coming people in camps in Libya, I believe, which is a predominantly Muslim country and where it makes sense.

I''m not from Kosovo, BTW. I just picked their flag at random at some point for no reason.

footyfan01 wrote:Guy from Kosovo saying shi*? When you guys need foreign countries to prevent ethnic cleansing? And now you sit here hailing Muslims being hounded. I am an atheist, I give a lot of shi* to every religions & ofcourse to Islam especially with the freaking Saudis radicalizing people. But these comments equating all Muslims in a way is pure shit.

Muslims are being treated in a manner Jews were treated pre-Holocaust. Religion in general has a troubled history & even Christianity had a very violent past.

You have got a bunch of Nazi people in US calling them alt-right who are white supremacists running around - Idiotic Climate Change denying ultra low information racist people.

Today in 2017, we wonder how could people be silent when Jews were being ostracized pre-Hitler regime with this hate being build? It is being some despicable human beings that it happened & it is happening again.

Myesyats should be banned from this forum because you have to be a Minimum Decent Human Being to be here IMO, you can't get bigoted Islamophobes ! Having such people stains the dignity of the forum.

Banned for what, participating in discussion? Matters are resolved only by two ways, either war or healthy discussion. We should be fortunate that most of the right wingists still consider discussion and debate a viable option. God forbid if we listen to all pussies like you and burn that bridge also, we will be left with only one option.

Is war, as an option, really a bad choice?

Myesyats is Polish, or at the very least, living in Poland. Poland only exists today because Britain stopped the discussion and proceeded to bomb the ever-loving crap out of Germany when Hitler advanced on them. What is the appropriate response for people who feel the opposition advancing on their muslim friends?

That's how it goes.

L: I am so tolerant and open-minded. Flawless, possibly.
R: *States an opinion backed up with factual evidence, various examples, realistic views (which the most intelligent leader in the world shares BTW) instead of Utopian fairy tales where horses defecate rainbows.*
L: Oh, you homophobic, racist, misogynistic bigot! You should be banned and preferably dissolved in hydrofluoric acid@!1!!!
R: Yeah, so much for tolerance. Anything else to add?
L: What I say is right and there's no debate to be had!
R: Umm, okay.
L: How can you prove me wrong if my opinion is not stated on facts?
R: Damn, you're good. But the truth is you only look at the bright side (suicidal) whereas I acknowledge all facts, whether they suit me or not.

OK

Australia with a extremely low population and huge resources takes no refugee on boats and wants to deport all of those refugees to U.S.

Does it even make sense? why should U.S deal with Australia's baggage?

It doesnt make sense ever. Stop trying to put every refugee on U.S's head.


Lefts trying to justify Obama agreeing to take them is ridiculous. When globalization is already taking the low end jobs away and the low class are unhappy, Obama wants to bring more Low Class into U.S from Australia........GENIUS.

No wonder Liberals lost election. They are in their own bubble and couldnt give a hoot about the lower class as long as there are enough programming jobs in California.

MJ wrote:

Myesyats wrote:It's far easier to act as if critics of Islam have a problem with Muslims as people than it is to accept the uncomfortable truth that Islam is different.

Do you not follow Quran as a true Muslim?

Are there not thousands of contradictions in every holy book? Is everything to be taken literally? Is everything to be followed to the letter or is interpretation not a fundamental part of religion, hence clerics?

My personal beliefs have nothing to do with this discussion but just for your peace of mind, I'm definitely not the bogeyman under your bed - I'm an agnostic.

But as someone who lives in a majority Muslim country with Muslim family, I'm probably more sensitive to stupidity with regards to Islam.

It is my firm belief that Islam needs a period of reformation and in order to do that, the world needs to galvanize moderate Muslims, aka the majority, and not keep the spotlight on the morons in the mix. Because the latter is the status quo, that leads to further alienation, driving people who feel marginalized towards radicalization.

But, by all means, make blanket statements about a monolithic religion and be part of the mainstream who are only exacerbating tensions.

All other religious books had horrible things stated in them too but they were changed to fit the era's in different times.

The problem with Quran is since it came late, it came fresh.It self proclaimed that it is the last word and cant be changed, after few more years printing was found so now changing anything was impossible. Then its most important place got radicalized (Soudi) and when they found oil it became almost impossible to smoke them out. Now if any reform is to come it has to come from Soudi Arabia as the holiest site in Islam...

Adit wrote: Stop trying to put every refugee on U.S's head.

The audacity

We started this when we destabilized the entire region back in the late 80s and 90s. We continued it when we invaded Iraq, toppled Saddam (not a bad thing whatsoever) based on a lie. We absolutely should own everything that came after and yes, that includes the matter of helping these refugees.

We created Al Qaeda, the Taliban and ISIS. It doesn't matter which president did it. We created the situations that these refugees are in. It's on us to lead the way in fixing it, not washing our hands of it.  We should be leading this not because we are the most powerful country on the planet, but because we screwed up and created a mess. It's only responsible for us to clean it up.

I don't think you've ever said anything even remotely relevant in this discussion, Zigra.

You have been brain-washed into thinking diversity a good thing because it serves the interests of the 1%.

Sweden's socialism was successful because the citizens were all Swedes. Now that Sweden is committed to multiculturalism, the country is failing.

I don't know if it is true but I heard Sweden considers changing their language (or they even did already) somehow so its suits immigrants/refugees? That makes sense, right? Just throw away your entire culture and history and bend over.

There's many examples but of course you don't base your opinion on facts and evidence but on what you see in dreams at night, it seems.

It appears to me that you fail to see the negatives of this situation which is amusing.

Adit wrote:OK

Australia with a extremely low population and huge resources takes no refugee on boats and wants to deport all of those refugees to U.S.

Does it even make sense? why should U.S deal with Australia's baggage?

It doesnt make sense ever. Stop trying to put every refugee on U.S's head.


Lefts trying to justify Obama agreeing to take them is ridiculous. When globalization is already taking the low end jobs away and the low class are unhappy, Obama wants to bring more Low Class into U.S from Australia........GENIUS.

No wonder Liberals lost election. They are in their own bubble and couldnt give a hoot about the lower class as long as there are enough programming jobs in California.

What low end jobs is globalization taking away from the low class of America?

Thats a talking point that a bunch of poor people, resentful of the fact that a negro(Lets be honest and call it what it was), was holding the highest office in the land hung on to to try to give their view legitimacy. If you have been living in this country centuries, and your job can be taken by a refugee with no english skills off a boat then you already have played yourself.

Liberals won the election too. By millions of votes in the end.

Adit wrote:
All other religious books had horrible things stated in them too but they were changed to fit the era's in different times.

The problem with Quran is since it came late, it came fresh.It self proclaimed that it is the last word and cant be changed, after few more years printing was found so now changing anything was impossible. Then its most important place got radicalized (Soudi) and when they found oil it became almost impossible to smoke them out. Now if any reform is to come it has to come from Soudi Arabia as the holiest site in Islam...

People interpret religion based on who they are as people. There are sh*tty Christians in the Central African Republic who use their own malicious interpretations of scripture to incite violence against Muslims. Religion is open to interpretation and abuse.

That aside, I already said, multiple times in this thread (which has been completely derailed btw), that I believe Islam needs a period of reformation with moderate Muslims at the center. But Islam is so fragmented into different sects and national identities that it wouldn't be uniform. The volatile nature it's assumed in radical hotbeds like post-invasion Iraq and civil war Syria is a direct result of Western intervention. The Middle East, and relations with it, would look completely different with less meddling and more cooperation.

McLewis wrote:We started this when we destabilized the entire region back in the late 80s and 90s. We continued it when we invaded Iraq, toppled Saddam (not a bad thing whatsoever) based on a lie. We absolutely should own everything that came after and yes, that includes the matter of helping these refugees.

We created Al Qaeda, the Taliban and ISIS. It doesn't matter which president did it. We created the situations that these refugees are in. It's on us to lead the way in fixing it, not washing our hands of it.  We should be leading this not because we are the most powerful country on the planet, but because we screwed up and created a mess. It's only responsible for us to clean it up.

South Asians and Indonesians going to Australia on a boat is not America's mess to clean up. Australia as a country is perfectly capable of hosting many more millions of people. At the moment too few people are enjoying too much resources and they have made the entry of poor almost impossible. Lefts need to stop this politically correct bs to score likes on Twitter and every other platform.

Betty La Fea wrote:

What low end jobs is globalization taking away from the low class of America?

Thats a talking point that a bunch of poor people, resentful of the fact that a negro(Lets be honest and call it what it was), was holding the highest office in the land hung on to to try to give their view legitimacy. If you have been living in this country centuries, and your job can be taken by a refugee with no english skills off a boat then you already have played yourself.

Liberals won the election too. By millions of votes in the end.

See this is the attitude that I absolutely hate about the leftists. They thinks everybody can get a college degree and become skilled worker... It doesn't work like that. Labour piramid makes sure that many people in every country will remain with out college degree especially in a free market no welfare state like U.S.

But for the leftists anyone who can't code Java deserves his fate and should be left to compete with the incoming refugees who obviously is no threat to the high end jobs. A refugee with one year vocational training will be directly competing with the lower class .

Like I said no wonder the college going population lost including the entire media. Their head is so far up in their ass they can only see their own shit.

Adit wrote:

Betty La Fea wrote:

What low end jobs is globalization taking away from the low class of America?

Thats a talking point that a bunch of poor people, resentful of the fact that a negro(Lets be honest and call it what it was), was holding the highest office in the land hung on to to try to give their view legitimacy. If you have been living in this country centuries, and your job can be taken by a refugee with no english skills off a boat then you already have played yourself.

Liberals won the election too. By millions of votes in the end.

See this is the attitude that I absolutely hate about the leftists. They thinks everybody can get a college degree and become skilled worker... It doesn't work like that. Labour piramid makes sure that many people in every country will remain with out college degree especially in a free market no welfare state like U.S.

But for the leftists anyone who can't code Java deserves his fate and should be left to compete with the incoming refugees who obviously is no threat to the high end jobs. A refugee with one year vocational training will be directly competing with the lower class .

Like I said no wonder the college going population lost including the entire media. Their head is so far up in their ass they can only see their own shit.

Has nothing to do with degrees. There are skilled trades and apprenticeships available to them.

People just wanna be lazy and have their built in factory/coal job that dad had. They don't want to better themselves, and they will eat that cake.

Here is a Japanese mother truth:

"If a refugee coming off a boat is a threat to your job, then you are A FAILURE

DONT
BE
A
FAILURE"

The streets in America are paved with gold. Just work for it. The mexican picking fruit, in 100 degree weather is.

Millenials want the world to be fair, but it isnt. You aren't guaranteed a job, and keeping people out because you don't want to compete is not a real policy. Whether or not we let in Everybody on your block or not, I'm gonna be a superstar. Because I'm that mean Asian bastard. You know me. The doctor, the engineer, the hustler on the street corner. I own the finish line.

Spoiler:

Let's focus on more important issues such as global warming which is a hoax

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I... I... I had decided to let it go with the whole political debate thing, but this??

I wonder if you have ever had a course in physics and chemistry. If not, its ok, I can help you with this (hint: I am actually a scientist). Btw your chart right there doesn't prove that global warming is a hoax, it shows the opposite.

lmao I actually checked out that plot in a digitizer because it seemed off scale. Unless they are trying to use a log scale in the x-axis for no reason other than to miss represent data, its straight up garbage.

The time axis is all wrong, there is no scale. the distance from 900 to 1350 doesn't scale whatsoever to 1900 as it should. Extrapolating it, the point labeled "1900", should actually be the year 2300. Which of course doesn't work.

Get these "alternative facts" out of here.

Climate change is a thing but mankind has little-to-nothing to do with it.

It's just a normal process that politicans and environmentalists are using to make money off.

The graph might be innacurate but it shows climates have always changed and the climate change that Obama described "as number one threat to the globe" (what about nukes, Barack??) is just a natural process. And even if it is a threat, cutting CO2 emissions will have no impact on it whatsoever.... "Energy saving" light bulbs and all that shit - it doesn't work.

Climate is changing with or without human contribution.

Follow the thread of your argument.

Lets say we accept that its not man made (which doesn't mean that its a hoax). Its a 'natural' process and all that. OK. It happening naturally does not mean that its beneficial to us, or animals, or plants, or whatever else. A meteor may very naturally hit the planet and kill everything here.

So, why is this natural phenomenon something to simply accept? why not try to improve our odds? whats your end game here?

Second, why does cutting CO2 emission not make a difference? The levels of CO2 have a measurable effect on the chemistry of our planet. CO2, like other gases we increasingly emit, reacts with water to form an acid. Biological things stand in a very fine balance. Changing pH and temperature of systems and organism can have drastic consequences.

"But CO2 doesn't change the temperature!" Yes it does. Objectively so. Even if you chose to ignore evidence of atmospheric phenomena, CO2 is a different compound than nitrogen and oxygen with its own specific heat and absorbance. Right there, from the molecular level, it interacts with heat and light differently.

Third, energy saving light bulbs and "all that shit" doesn't work at what?? saving energy? it sure works!

Subtract all other arguments of climate and you still have more energy efficient devices and "all that shit". Why should you care about energy efficiency? because it makes everything cheaper. Even if you don't care about the environment AT ALL, it makes your shit cheaper.

You waste less energy -> you pay for less energy.
There is a lower demand -> we need spend less resources producing energy.
Less resources are needed -> resources become cheaper

and so on.

Man-made global warming was created so that a couple of witty businessmen could earn a fortune. Scientists who went out with reports about how global warming is a number one threat were all people financed by green energy businesses. Businesses like Solyndra for example, they created the term "man made global warming", went bankrupt after 1-2 years and a couple of golf playing businessmen ran away with a bunch of money.

Like Al Gore who not only got a nobel prize but also 200-300 million thanks to BS  'green energy will save the world and coal is the source of evil' claim, so he ran away with the money and blamed everything on the Chinese.

The weather anomalies we are witnessing are caused by Oceans that make up 70% of our planet, not by who people use coal as energy source. Oceans play a role of a natural ventilator which exchanges warm waters for cold waters in cycles,.

Climate change is not a hoax but it is greatly misunderstood because nowadays politicians manipulate everything to earn as much money as they can.

Average temperature was far higher in the Medieval era than it is now. "Global warming" happened in the Middle Ages without any CO2 man-made emissions.

Myesyats wrote:Man-made global warming was created so that a couple of witty businessmen could earn a fortune. Scientists who went out with reports about how global warming is a number one threat were all people financed by green energy businesses.

I wonder if you have any clue of how research works, how scientific results are review and published, and how many scientists and labs exist.

This is the most absurd thing you have posted yet.

I don't think you have any clue about the fact that everything is politically influenced nowadays.

Why did global warming happen in the Middle Ages without any man made CO2 emissions? Because it's a natural process that runs in cycles.

January 2013: Record-breaking 7 meters of snow in Tokyo
Bangladesh: Record breaking all time lowest temperatures.
March 2013: All time lowest temperatures in Finland
Frozen vodka in Russia
The lake of Michigan in Chicago frozen like in 1875.

This is your global WARMING?

I find it amusing how you called yourself a "scientist".

Climate change runs in cycles; it gets hot, it gets cold.

It can be influenced by humans by not to a significant extent.

Everything that's happening and has been hapenning since forever, since always, would still be hapenning even if every man and woman in the world used only solar panels and had a windmill in their backyard.