The Official Comicbook Movies Thread: Part 3

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Post by Freeza Sun Apr 29, 2018 6:35 pm

@Cruijf wrote:I always have low standards for Marvel movies but Avengers has hit a new low with this :facepalm:

Spoiler:
Dr. Strange forgets about rewinding time and then Thanos uses it 10 mins later as a cheat code?

Thanos has five infinity stones, instead of attacking together each avenger walks up one by one?

Not to mention all the deaths are obviously gonna be reversed. These people didn't even try to be subtle about it, they killed Black Panther and Spiderman who everyone knows are coming back for sequels.

Smh, honestly one of the worst movies I've ever watched


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you do realise Strange gave up the stone on purpose right?

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Post by rincon Sun Apr 29, 2018 6:37 pm

Yeah that's just wrong. You missed the point of that part of the movie.
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Post by Freeza Sun Apr 29, 2018 6:52 pm

@rincon wrote:Yeah that's just wrong. You missed the point of that part of the movie.


It's always the people calling these movies stupid that misses so much of them. Classic.
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Post by Cruijf Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:39 pm

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Yeah I know obviously this is the one win outcome he was talking about. My problem is it's so obviously contrived. They literally had Thanos defeated and all it would've taken is Strange to go back in time and stop Chris Pratt and the movie would be over. It's such a contrived waste of time to play it like this.
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Post by Freeza Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:42 pm

@Cruijf wrote:
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Yeah I know obviously this is the one win outcome he was talking about. My problem is it's so obviously contrived. They literally had Thanos defeated and all it would've taken is Strange to go back in time and stop Chris Pratt and the movie would be over. It's such a contrived waste of time to play it like this.


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You do realise they weren’t supposed to get the gauntlet right?
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Post by Cruijf Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:49 pm

No I don't actually lol why not?
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Post by Freeza Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:55 pm

@Cruijf wrote:No I don't actually lol why not?


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They needed Thanos to win this way I'd assume. Because Dr. Strange says so after Thanos gets the stone and tells Tony that it was the only way.

That much is 100% sure. So them taking the gauntlet wouldn't help at all.

My theory is that Dr. Strange instructed them to do something and put up a fight to make Thanos not suspect they wanted him to get the stone. Strange isn't stupid enough to just give him it.

It probably has something to with Captain Marvel and that this is the only timeline where she shows up and helps them win in the end. This is showed because Nick Fury seeing all the people disappear at this time makes him make the Captain Marvel distress call at the end.

This is something I'd gather because of the end credit scene + it's the film right before the next Avengers film next year.
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Post by Cruijf Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:18 pm

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Still seems contrived tbh in order to extend it to part 2 and bring in Captain Marvel. I don't have a problem with a well written conflict that needs two movies to be resolved, but why would you write yourself to the very cusp of a victory and then be like jk Strange saw the future lets make everyone lose? There's no in-movie explanation for why taking the glove off would've actually been a bad idea. From what we saw if Strange went back in time they could've killed Thanos and the conflict would've been over.

Honestly part of the reason its so annoying is because the movie has a lot of good things going for it. Thanos is my favorite MCU villain by far, and a lot of the characters were used really well. But so much of it clearly contrived and is just generally a waste of time plot wise. Like what was the point of 30 minutes being spent on getting Thor the axe when it doesn't do him any good in the end?
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Post by RealGunner Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:53 pm

@Cruijf wrote:
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Still seems contrived tbh in order to extend it to part 2 and bring in Captain Marvel. I don't have a problem with a well written conflict that needs two movies to be resolved, but why would you write yourself to the very cusp of a victory and then be like jk Strange saw the future lets make everyone lose? There's no in-movie explanation for why taking the glove off would've actually been a bad idea. From what we saw if Strange went back in time they could've killed Thanos and the conflict would've been over.

Honestly part of the reason its so annoying is because the movie has a lot of good things going for it. Thanos is my favorite MCU villain by far, and a lot of the characters were used really well. But so much of it clearly contrived and is just generally a waste of time plot wise. Like what was the point of 30 minutes being spent on getting Thor the axe when it doesn't do him any good in the end?


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Because Thanos doesn't need the gauntlet to kill most of the avengers if not all of them. Taking the glove off him would not have stopped him but only slowed him down.

And they spent time on Thor getting the Axe because it's important in Avengers 4.

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Post by Cruijf Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:18 pm

@RealGunner wrote:
@Cruijf wrote:
Spoiler:
Still seems contrived tbh in order to extend it to part 2 and bring in Captain Marvel. I don't have a problem with a well written conflict that needs two movies to be resolved, but why would you write yourself to the very cusp of a victory and then be like jk Strange saw the future lets make everyone lose? There's no in-movie explanation for why taking the glove off would've actually been a bad idea. From what we saw if Strange went back in time they could've killed Thanos and the conflict would've been over.

Honestly part of the reason its so annoying is because the movie has a lot of good things going for it. Thanos is my favorite MCU villain by far, and a lot of the characters were used really well. But so much of it clearly contrived and is just generally a waste of time plot wise. Like what was the point of 30 minutes being spent on getting Thor the axe when it doesn't do him any good in the end?


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Because Thanos doesn't need the gauntlet to kill most of the avengers if not all of them. Taking the glove off him would not have stopped him but only slowed him down.

And they spent time on Thor getting the Axe because it's important in Avengers 4.



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Is that for sure or just conjecture (about Thanos)? Because they literally had him, immobilized and beaten. There's no reason the movie gives you why taking the glove off would not have been a win. He would've been at their mercy and they could've ended the movie right there. Heck Strange could've made a portal and thrown him into the sun.

My issue is that they make the timestone this unbeatable win-cheat, but only when Thanos has it. If Strange had went back in time to stop Chris Pratt it would've been gameover, but he conveniently forgets and let's Thanos go, who then he uses the stone to win 15 minutes later.

This isn't my only issue btw, although it is really annoying. There's also the stupidity of the Avengers in lining up one by one in the final fight with Thanos. They could've at least lost with an ounce of dignity lol, not lining up to be slapped aside.

There's also the problem that they've made Thanos too powerful for the resolution to be believable or the conflict to really be interesting.

There's also the stupidity of picking superheroes to die at the end that we know for a fact don't die (Spiderman and BP). At least kill Tony or Captain America and and make us wonder if they're dead for good.

I genuinely don't understand how this movie is getting praise. Sure the action was good but no better than a standard Marvel movie. The plot on the other hand is much worse.
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Post by Freeza Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:41 pm

Dr. Strange literally says

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We're in the end game now.

What about that line makes you think anyone screwed up the plan?
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Post by Cruijf Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:22 pm

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It's not about screwing up the plan lol it's about the plan being written in a stupid way. What is the need for letting Thanos win when you had him beaten and in front of you and all you needed to do was rewind time to kill him?

Oh and your theory that the whole thing was one big masterplan doesn't work because then why would Strange need to tell Tony "this was the only way"? It was obviously something he did in the moment, not something he had told them about.
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Post by rincon Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:37 pm

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It was Strange's plan. That's why he says it. He is the only one who saw the future and knows it for a fact. When you have half of your friends/the-universe dying saying 'it was the only way" is basically the minimum level of comforting to offer as you (the guy who saw the future) is dying.

You are simplifying beating and killing Thanos way too much. Strange rewinds time a bit, how do they kill him? explain how that's gonna work. They barely scratch him. Mantis was losing him anyway. Rewind back time, the gauntlet is removed, Thanos wakes up and wrecks them again. Or, rewind time, try to go for a killing blow, fail obviously, then he wrecks them again.

They need something like stormbreaker to kill him.

That complain about the avengers on earth going 1 by 1 against him isn't particularly relevant either. They saw Thanos come and walk to the mind stone. Everyone needs to drop everything and throw it at him before he takes the 20 steps needed to kill the universe. They had no time, them trying to plan some crap instead of trying to delay him would have been nonsense as they weren't together. By the team they would have assembled Thanos would have killed Wanda. On top of that those are B-level avengers compared to the ones in Titan. Thor is the one that could do it (Besides Wanda for obvious reasons) and he tried to as soon as he saw Thanos.

Now somehow Strange saw a future where having these guys survive and team up with Captain Marvel ends up in a win. Thor+Iron Man+C.Marvel+Hulk is hell of a team. Having those guys supported by the rest of them (cap and co.) maybe gives them a chance.
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Post by Cruijf Tue May 01, 2018 5:44 pm

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How do they kill Thanos? Strange can open a portal and throw him into the Sun. Done.

Once the glove is off he's still a mortal and he's immobilized and at the mercy of 5 Avengers. So on the contrary I actually think you're complicating killing him, the way they wrote it they were 30 seconds away from doing it.
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Post by Freeza Tue May 01, 2018 6:01 pm



So ready for this one Proud
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Post by rincon Tue May 01, 2018 6:02 pm

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When did Strange become able to open a portal to the sun? He never portals to places he can't visualize or seem to be too far. Strange can't portal to Titan and he can't portal back to earth. Thor wanted to go to Asgard in Rganarok and Strange didn't send him there. He wanted to go back to earth but he couldn't, he needed Stark to drive the space ship back. He isn't a god, he isn't that powerful.
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Post by Cruijf Tue May 01, 2018 6:07 pm

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Then portal him into space lol. If he can portal halfway across the Earth (which he's done several times) then he can easily do that.

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