Re: Transfer Rumours | Tactics | Who to buy/sell etc

by Mr Nick09 Thu Jul 07, 2016 2:17 pm

He has not signed for United yet, his agent just agreed in principle to the terms of a move. And for those figures to have become public, it looks more like a pressure point Raiola is applying on us. Those figures were in Marca about a month ago, now GDM is reporting the same. it's exactly what Raiola wants, but end of the day, Madrid will match it or at least offer something similar

How fun would it be if we sign 4 frenchies to strenghten the first team?

Payet as a winger
Kante as a DM
Pogba as a CM
Lucas Hernandez as a back up LB/CB and to shove it to atletico

by halamadrid2 Thu Jul 07, 2016 2:34 pm

Lol imagine a midfield of kante and pogba and then an attack of bbc. Passing accuracy would be around 21% and i am being generous.

Classic case of grasser greener on the other side. Danilo would bench Carvajal anyone Laughing

all those should stay the hell away from our club. They will weaken us not improve us

by Mr Nick09 Thu Jul 07, 2016 2:40 pm

so if you are so convinced he will not succeed, you shouldnt worry then Smile

by The Demon of Carthage Thu Jul 07, 2016 2:41 pm

Payet, Kante and Pogba Laughing

Why stop there? Let's buy Giroud as well and call it Real Madrid FR instead.

Sky is saying United has begun negotiations in the last 48 hours, let's hope it's true.

Come on Ed, we all believe in you Chaka

by halamadrid2 Thu Jul 07, 2016 2:45 pm

and Evra too seeing as even Siquiera is better than Marcelo

Seriously though if there is anyone we should have bought it was Kyrchowiak now that he is gone we should go for Matuidi imo

by Mr Nick09 Thu Jul 07, 2016 2:49 pm

Frankly, if we have a chance to sign Pogba and we let him go to United without flexing some muscle or trying to recruit him, I will be more upset than Juve fans.

Ultimately, sports is about talent acquisition. It's the same in pretty much all organized sports. And when some of the biggest talent are available you go for them. THis to me is about talen acquisition and shitting on united. That's exactly what United did signing Martial or Bayern with Sanches. That's also what we are doing signing all those kids like Odegaard, the new Diaz kid from SA or even Gab Jesus the brazilian.

We must continue. I would rather sign a 23 yo Pogba with his prime ahead than go out of my way to protect a 31 yo Modric.

@Hala, Matuidi is not a DM though, he made a career with his forward runs playing as box to box, he cant play a positional role, just look at how France play the double pivot with him and Pogba, the one sitting back is Pogba. I lobbied hard for krychowiak last summer, it was such a no brainer, at least we got Casemiro. Kante has a 25 mil clause, i would pay that and then some to leicester lol

by Valkyrja Thu Jul 07, 2016 2:51 pm

Mr Nick09 wrote:Frankly, if we have a chance to sign Pogba and we let him go to United without flexing some muscle or trying to recruit him, I will be more upset than Juve fans.

Ultimately, sports is about talent acquisition. It's the same in pretty much all organized sports. And when some of the biggest talent are available you go for them. THis to me is about talen acquisition and shitting on united. That's exactly what United did signing Martial or Bayern with Sanches. That's also what we are doing signing all those kids like Odegaard, the new Diaz kid from SA or even Gab Jesus the brazilian.

We must continue. I would rather sign a 23 yo Pogba with his prime ahead than go out of my way to protect a 31 yo Modric.

as far as i'm concerned modric is still the best midfielder in the world and easily better than pogba. when he slows down we might look to replace him. ceballos anyone ?

Q/A : Will Kroos dominate Pogboom tonight ? Laughing

by Adit Thu Jul 07, 2016 2:52 pm

Woodward for the rescue :bow:

Obviously we are interested but to me it looks like United are in pole position. They have agreed terms with Pogba and 26 million gross salary which is more than what Bale earns here. Plus the transfer fee is going to be upwards of 120 million. United now have to agree the fee with Juventus.

United are desperate and have alot of room for superstar salary in their budget ( unlike RM or Barcelona). My money is on Pogba to United. Can't wait ffss

by Mr Nick09 Thu Jul 07, 2016 2:56 pm

Valkyrja wrote:
Mr Nick09 wrote:Frankly, if we have a chance to sign Pogba and we let him go to United without flexing some muscle or trying to recruit him, I will be more upset than Juve fans.

Ultimately, sports is about talent acquisition. It's the same in pretty much all organized sports. And when some of the biggest talent are available you go for them. THis to me is about talen acquisition and shitting on united. That's exactly what United did signing Martial or Bayern with Sanches. That's also what we are doing signing all those kids like Odegaard, the new Diaz kid from SA or even Gab Jesus the brazilian.

We must continue. I would rather sign a 23 yo Pogba with his prime ahead than go out of my way to protect a 31 yo Modric.

as far as i'm concerned modric is still the best midfielder in the world and easily better than pogba. when he slows down we might look to replace him. ceballos anyone ?

Q/A : Will Kroos dominate Pogboom tonight ?

Modric is not competiting with Pogba though, i wish you guys would not look at players like "is X better than Y?"

In my opinion, in order to have a balance 3 man midfield, you need one playmaker (ie Modric), one anchor (ie Casemiro) one box to box (ie Kroos).

Except Kroos is not a box to box, he is a playmaker, so we have two playmakers in midfield and both not great at pushing the pace from midfield. They are game controllers and no much else. have you seen any of them decide a game in CL or make a difference except on freekick or corner? At the end of the day, you need that out of your midfield as well. Adding pogba does that.

So in fact it's Kroos and Modric competing with one another. Modric is 31 with a body thats breaking down... can't you see where this is going?

I think from Monday next week, you will see the chatter about Madrid getting busy with Raiola too, and at the end of the day, Pogba will decide where he wants to play

by The Demon of Carthage Thu Jul 07, 2016 3:05 pm

What you've failed to grasp so far is that Madrid have been dead silent while United have already ironed out their bid.

From the looks of it, United is seriously interested and Madrid is not even trying. I think if we really wanted him, we wouldn't let United gain this much ground without doing something.

I still think Flo is not interested in Pogba.

by Mr Nick09 Thu Jul 07, 2016 3:09 pm

Being silent means nothing, because we know as much as journalist tells us, and not actually is or is not.

How about we wait and see? Euros end on sunday and we will see what Madrid does then

You act as if it's the first summer transfer window you are experiencing

by halamadrid2 Thu Jul 07, 2016 3:22 pm

Mr Nick09 wrote:

@Hala, Matuidi is not a DM though, he made a career with his forward runs playing as box to box, he cant play a positional role, just look at how France play the double pivot with him and Pogba, the one sitting back is Pogba. I lobbied hard for krychowiak last summer, it was such a no brainer, at least we got Casemiro. Kante has a 25 mil clause, i would pay that and then some to leicester lol

Imo Matuidi is probably the only one on the market that can allow us to play Kroos as furthest down midfielder. He is the sort of engine Kroos needs next to him. May be useful when there is no Casemiro or Modric. The only other guy who can improve us imo is Matic and it doesnt look like we are interested in him.

by Mr Nick09 Thu Jul 07, 2016 3:25 pm

This is where i will stop following you because unless we play a 3 man defense, Kroos as deepest midfield will need both Kante and Matuidi by his side lol.

As far as im concerned, Kroos as DM is dead and needs to stay dead.

Matic? he is a good DM, but he played such a mediocre season last year that his reputation took a hit. Kante is probably the best ball winner in europe, would do well, not much of a passer, but you cant have everything

by halamadrid2 Thu Jul 07, 2016 4:05 pm

We have already played Kroos furthest down and could have made the CL final if not for Iker. Kroos just needs somebody will high work rate next to him. Kante for that price would be nice but i wouldnt want him to start at all. This isn't Leicester. There are much higher expectations here. Casemiro is an excellent all around midfielder. His long balls are only superceded by Alonso and Kroos and his no nonsense approach is sevond to none. We dont need no Pogba and especially not for the price quoted. How desperate is the team that buys him seriously. We bought the best player in the world for that much and Pogba isnt even the best player at Juve

I agree about Matic but he can be an excellent back up. Everyone looks bad when there is alot of drama behind the scenes and as RM fans we should know that first hand.

by Mr Nick09 Thu Jul 07, 2016 4:22 pm

we "could have"... without him as anchor, we did, and we won again. you blame Iker? i think our team was soft down the middle and we were getting pushed around with him.

as it always come down to, money. It's the price you have a problem with. anyway, we will disagree on Pogba, and it doesnt really matter.

I agree with need another DM, since you want to count our chicken, would you rather spend upward of 35 mil to sign Matic or 25 to sign Kante? or money doesnt matter?

by halamadrid2 Thu Jul 07, 2016 4:32 pm

We were soft I agree but I blame our loss on Iker because nearly every goal Juve scored was saveable. We were never outplayed against any big team with Kroos as the anchorman. In the end we were let down by James and to some extent Isco. Alonso would definitely have looked worse but we had a real b2b then next to him. Which i why i didnt want us to sell ADM because with Kroos it would have made our midfield much better than with Alonso alas we had to sell him and then play an AM as a CM and then blame Kroos for being too soft or lazy or whatever. Reality is that the midfield was badly structured and the only thing we could do the season after was to remove the "bad apple" and sort out the balance. Hence Casemiro came in and we havent looked back since. Who knows what could have happened if we had a b2b back then. This summer tournament Kroos is playing as an anchor and guess what Germany are absolutely fine. Why? Because he is always paired with a b2b

I am not saying, thats it we have to play Kroos furthest down but more like if we ever did if would be far away from a disaster and it couldnt hurt to have it as a plan b

Regarding Kante vs Matic both those prices are acceptable. I would rather get Kante as if he fails to live up to it it wouldnt be as outrageous as Matic but I believe Matic is the most experienced and the most likely to assimilate the quickest between the two

by Mr Nick09 Thu Jul 07, 2016 5:00 pm

Im not saying that Kroos cant play as anchor, i am saying it's the least successful way to play. Even when Zidane arrived, he gave a kick in the door, brought back Carlo ways, Kroos as DM and all.

Within a month he understood that for the sake of team stability, the sake of our DMs, the sake of our forwards, having a defensive specialist in front of the DM was the most successful way to play. The best way to take away easy transition chances from the other teams, which we concede a lot, even vs weaker teams.

So all things considered, it's a positive move and we cant go back.

Kroos is playing as anchor in a double pivot for germany, not the same as a 3 man midfield. pretty much same thing Pogba has been doing in the pas two games and was very successful at. Not to mention the amount of pressing Germany does overall, i would say they press a lot more than we do.

by The Galactico 10 Thu Jul 07, 2016 5:50 pm

I am not hearing much on the Kante front, a few reports last week that's it, nothing since then. As for Pogba to United, well I am sure we are interested but I think we preferred to drag this one until Juve drops their asking price but the fact that there are many clubs interested its going to complicate things and if we are serious, i am sure we can pay whatever United is offering and reports seem to suggest that Pogba would take us over Utd so if we flash the money we should easily get Pogba. I would not hear the end of it with my Utd friends fans, and for that reason its better he goes any where if not here but not Utd.

by sportsczy Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:20 pm

Kante to Chelsea seems like a fait accompli.... that's why.

by halamadrid2 Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:36 pm

We have our first game of season on the 9th of August. I am assuming Zizou wants his squad finished by then to avoid the whole "settling in period" in the middle of the season.

The backline and GK seems set for next season with Llorente being loaned out meaning Nacho will stay and Coentrao coming as per Zizou's request to back up Marcelo.

Midfield and forward line seems alittle unfinished with Kovacic heavily runoured6as going out on loan and James being tracked by PSG and United. That would mean we need 2 replacement midfielders along with a back up DM. If Chelsea get Naingollan i think we may be able to get Kante or Matic. Marcos Llorente may be promoted if he does well on the tour which i hope. Much better attitude than J Rod ever had. Frontline seems semi-set. Jese might be loaned out but his replacement is far from being ironed out. I mean Asensio could come in but he is totally different and may not be able to adapt to the wings as like James he is an AM. Morata might yet be sold, I just hope we have a replacement handy in case he leaves late in the window

All in all from what I can tell, Zizou wants to make as little changes as possible especially considering he put his faith crockedtrao instead of buying RR who had an acceptable buyout clause

I just want our starters to play good because if they do we will be fine

by Mr Nick09 Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:45 pm

Stop with your marcos llorente he is nowhere near good enough

by halamadrid2 Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:55 pm

Of course he is and he will show it during the tour. He is so calm, composed for his age and can pick passes while under pressure without panicking, an excellent trait to have. He is the shining light in an otherwise shit Castilla team. Only he and probably Febas/Mayoral is able to step up to the first team

by halamadrid2 Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:59 pm

by halamadrid2 Fri Jul 08, 2016 9:00 pm

Coentrao re injured and will be out till November. Oh just gtfo already

by sportsczy Fri Jul 08, 2016 10:01 pm

halamadrid2 wrote:Coentrao re injured and will be out till November. Oh just gtfo already

Wait wat

How?????

by halamadrid2 Sat Jul 09, 2016 1:16 am

He probably gave his leg a dirty look

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