Does anyone else feel massively let down by Kommander?

Harmonica wrote:Buying outdated closeout model.   Expected nothing less from football fake.

Harmonica wrote:Buying outdated closeout model. Expected nothing less from football fake.

rincon wrote:

guest_07 wrote:

titosantill wrote:at the end of the day, winning in the final carries a lot of weight. especially when your team wins, and YOU give a valiant performance. a valiant performance doesn't have to mean you should have 9 shots that hit the bar or 11 shots the goalie saved, its not a video game. it can simply be seeing that a player exudes the confidence he shows in other games, maybe scores, assists or something....but doing that in a win is key.

and even in the loss, i won't say messi shat himself, but come on, what we were watching out there in the copa marketing final wasn't some mind blowing stuff that we should be giving props for. its just the cruel nature of finals, has always been that way, as long as the main player doesn't completely shit himself, if he's reasonably good in a tightly contested win he'll get props from some. in a loss, unless he was sooooo good, the loss just happened to be one of those tragedies, nobody but fans who like said player would care

btw for all the talk of chile being some goat side, how come nobody has brought up that argentina beat them in the first group game (not third group game when everyone has qualified and the games isn't as serious) without messi, and with chile playing almost the same squad in the final

based on the mark-up sentence, paolo rossi is one of the greatest player in the world cup

paolo rossi wc performance >>> cryuff + puskas + eusebio etc................

& also........mario kempes wc performance >>> cryuff + puskas + eusebio etc................

the funny thing, although both won the wc with A+ performance yet people rarely include them in the list of the greatest player in all time

I thought everyone was talking about the level of the performances, not the level of the player itself. Paolo Rossi's WC performance in 82 is certainly head and shoulders above Messi's in any NT tournament. Alex was saying how this Messi performance was the best ever with 3 good knockout games (not Messi's level in itself). Scoring 6 against Brazil, Poland and Germany (final) definitely wins.

futbol wrote:

alexjanosik wrote:How have I changed my tune?
this is what I mentioned in the Copa thread on the Barca section.
'He doesnt need to win. But he does need a dominant performance in the knockouts. So far, he has underwhelmed in all his knockout performances for Argentina. He has had a decent number of chances too. He needs to dominate atleast 2 knockout games out of the 3(performances like today).
Otherwise the old doubts will resurface again and his GOAT standing will once more be questioned with an increasing level of justification.'

I clearly mentioned before the knockouts that he needed to dominate atleast 2 out of the 3 games.
And Messi delivered. He dominated all 3 games. Including scoring a sublime FK goal in the SF( which gets him extra points as that is something other GOATS havent managed).
So where exactly have I changed my tune doc and futbol? He delivered in 3 games and his standing has gone up imo. I see no contradiction whatsoever.

And the chances argument has already been put to bed. I have already mentioned the GOATS who failed to create jack in NT tournament finals.

You still don't see how you changed your tune? You went from "so far, he has underwhelmed" and constant criticism to sudden over the top praise like "legendary" and praising his NT career and talking down Maradona or Zidane, all of a sudden, because Messi had very good knockout performances against Venezuela and USA in blowout games where Argentina scored 8 goals. You've also talked down Ronaldo's World Cup in 2002 in the R9 vs. Suarez thread because it was a "poverty tournament" where Turkey and South Korea made the semis but all of a sudden the quality of the opponent doesn't seem to matter to you in this instance.

FennecFox7 wrote:Two lines I hear from butt hurt fans about Ronaldo and bale everytime they do well in a game

"They did nothing besides score".
Even if both these players showed good passing ability and dribbling, they're always labeled headless chickens with no technique on here. Unbelievable. Ronaldo had a great euros and his finishing was probably his worst attribute this tournament. Bale was busting ass and defending as well as he attacked.

Can we stop talking about messi please? No. It doesn't matter if you win or not, stop with these imaginary guidelines. Would zidane have been any less legendary skill wise if he played for Algeria, where he wouldn't have won shit, I don't think so. Messi is only under cruyff as the GOAT.
Messi will never be better the cruyff because of one reason; he doesn't move. He is lazy and his team suffers because of his Movement, he has absolutely horrendous pressing and off the ball movement. seriously, Messi made Ronaldo look like prime Maldini this season and boy that's saying something.

Now can we talk about Ronaldo, aka Kommander, aka captain, coach and hero at the same time

Doc wrote:

titosantill wrote:argentina beat this same chile in the first round without messi

I really wondered that as well why no one didn't bring that up before. My only guess is that it was deemed irrelevant in the discussion though if you think about it, Chile, in that tournament, was clearly a team Argentina could have beaten and not some defensive hybrid of the great Italian side and current Atletico.

Also, it's best the title of thread be changed to "if you feel let down by Messi or Ronaldo?"

Harmonica wrote:Carried by 18 year old Renato sanches and two buck Nani. How low has Fakenaldo fallen. No wonder his child is bored of him.

Harmonica wrote:Portugal is the best NT-team probably ever

Harmonica wrote:Portugal is the best NT-team probably ever

Cruijf wrote:

Harmonica wrote:Portugal is the best NT-team probably ever

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