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Post by Soul Mon Oct 05, 2015 2:37 am

@Uncanny wrote:I'm still backing Jose mourinho, i don't want to change managers, I'd rather change players.


should we buy Torres back? Laughing

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Post by Kick Mon Oct 05, 2015 2:37 am

@Uncanny wrote:I'm still backing Jose mourinho, i don't want to change managers, I'd rather change players.


Looks like the club agrees with you.

The only manager I would take if Jose got fired would be Klopp, and if he goes to Liverpool, then we may as well stick it out, imo.
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Post by Uncanny Mon Oct 05, 2015 6:37 am

@Soul wrote:
@Uncanny wrote:I'm still backing Jose mourinho, i don't want to change managers, I'd rather change players.


should we buy Torres back? Laughing


haha, out of all the seasons jose was with chelsea he won the league 3 times, and narrowly lost it the fourth, this season we dropped considerably, and now he is the bad guy? He isn't a clueless twat, he's been doing something right for years, he can fix this.
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Post by Uncanny Mon Oct 05, 2015 6:39 am

fyi, we won CL, EL, and FA cup with torres Proud
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Post by Soul Mon Oct 05, 2015 9:50 am

@Uncanny wrote:fyi, we won CL, EL, and FA cup with torres Proud


I'm just messing with you, I know you're a fan Laughing
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Post by Uncanny Mon Oct 05, 2015 3:17 pm

@Soul wrote:
@Uncanny wrote:fyi, we won CL, EL, and FA cup with torres Proud


I'm just messing with you, I know you're a fan Laughing


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Post by Blue Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:50 pm

Vote of confidence means you have our support but the result need to change. So result stays the same he is gone. Remain 16th by the end of October the axe will come.

I want Mou gone, i have been against him before the season even started. I never expected this I felt we would regress, but 16th and out of the title race after 8 games? Laughing

I never felt like playing shit is justifiable to win trophies. Atm result and performance is shit. I remember before Mou came back; we all agreed Mou was not the right choice for Chelsea, but we hope it would be different. By now we know he is not the best person for Chelsea and group of players. seriously even before the season, he wasent getting the best out of the players. Since beginning of 2015 it has been Hazard plus the defense that carried us.

And remember these quotes:Mourinho vows proactive Chelsea football

Failed promises and failed to even attempt. Lol

Time to move on from Mourinho.
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Post by Kick Tue Oct 06, 2015 1:28 am

And if Liverpool sign Klopp?

Who could even replace Jose?
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Post by Blue Tue Oct 06, 2015 1:57 am

@Kick wrote:And if Liverpool sign Klopp?

Who could even replace Jose?


Good point though.

Klopp was the perfect choice, Carlo is more less the same as Mou no good.

Ultimately I feel Mou does not get the best out of the players.

Matic do you remember how good he was when he arrived? He has gotten worse and worse under Mou. Remember the Cesc who an assist machine? Do you remember the monster goal scorer Costa?

These players played their best football when they initially arrived. I am not talking about right now, last season from January forward they have been quite average. This season they are garbage no doubt.

Also how promising Oscar looked his first season?

Have you noticed how much better Kevin, Salah, and Cuad have looked after Chelsea? Cuad was immense for Juve against City, incredible not like he was playing against some random Serie A opponent.

Chelsea has been a blackhole to them. Amazing for Hazard to have played so well until now. Whatever Mou is doing he is making them worse.

I really don't know who but a caretaker until the end of the season, then do whatever it takes to lure Pep Guardiola.
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Post by Kick Tue Oct 06, 2015 2:07 am

So Pep was rumoured to leave Bayern at the end of the season, with Klopp replacing him. Which won't happen if Klopps signs for Liverpool.

I am not sure we can lure Pep, tbh. I think we've tried in the past and failed.

I also think if Jose really wants to be the best manager in the world, he needs to pull us out of this and prove to everyone that he can turn it around.

KDB was never going to work with us because he wanted to be given a first team spot, something which wasn't going to happen. Cuadrado and Salah were never given consistant chances, either.

Don't get me wrong, I think Pep could do wonders with this squad, but I don't think it's possible.
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Post by Kick Tue Oct 06, 2015 2:40 am

Someone who we haven't discussed yet should is Simeone.

He will get the best out of our players, not change our system all that much and be use to some of our players as we've got a few from Atleti.

The obvious downside is that I don't think he is very obtainable and I am not sure he speaks English. However, he is one that I would certainly take.

Although, we'd end up playing some silly 4-4-2 like this:

Courtois
Azpilicueta Zouma Terry Baba
Willian Mikel Matic Oscar
Costa Hazard

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Post by Soul Wed Oct 07, 2015 12:42 am

Simeone sounds like a great choice!
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Post by Kick Wed Oct 07, 2015 12:52 am

I think Simeone would be the logical choice, simply due to similarity with him and Jose.

If we wanted to get back to winning ways, have a manager long term and don't care about how we play, he'd be my choice all day long.

But if we wanted something different than Jose, obviously someone else should be chosen.
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Post by Soul Wed Oct 07, 2015 10:58 pm

Isn't he a bit more attack minded than Jose though?
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Post by Kick Thu Oct 08, 2015 12:50 am

Not sure, Jose looked attack minded at Madrid, at times.
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Post by Katy Perry Fri Oct 09, 2015 11:07 am

It's still extremely early in the season, like, only october, only 10 games played so far, so it was to be expected to not sack Mourinho.

However I don't think that his guidance is the ideal for the Chelsea future, actually far from it. At the very best we'll improve result-wise and manage to scrape narrow and unconvincing wins like we did for most of the second half last season, especially after crashing out of CL and winning the COC. I believe that's the best we can improve, the deeper problems will remain unaddressed and thus we'll fall again in a similar crisis.

I mean, before blaming Mourinho's tactics and players underperforming, I think the main reason why we're in this situation is that Mou has failed to motivate the players nowhere near to what is required.
I mean, just compare it with last year, I don't think the players have shown one third of the passion, the fight, the strive, the will that you'd normally expect from a Mourinho team and which in fact we showed in the first half of last season.

The third year syndrome is none else that him failing/not willing to motivate the same group of players after the initial success pretty much the entirety of his career and once you take motivation out of the window from a man management and psychology specialist like Mou, you take away what? 70%/80% of his benefits, of what he's actually bringing to the table.

And honestly, I don't know why precisely that happens with Mourinho, but I guess it's just natural that once you're at the top you just expect to stay there, whereas that's really the hardest part, or at least twice as hard, thus you crumble. I mean, that's the reason the roman empire has fallen.
That's also the reason why my ex gf broke up with me, in the first months I really put a lot of effort and a lot of myself in our relationship and just put her at the center of my universe and towards the end, I mean, I still loved her, but meh, I guess I got complacent and felt like she just belonged to me and that I didn't have to do anything special or anything at all. Or maybe the honeymoon period was over/she was an attention whore. Whatever. You get my point.

I mean the most worrisome thing about this situation is how Mou has been handling it. He's being not rational, delusional,  borderline dissociated from reality. I mean what he says to the press, how he places the blame on the referees/players and never to himself and how  he's just so keen to hold to his tactics beliefs no matter what. We always have the same approach to the opponents, to football, we always play with the same back 4, the same Matic Cesc midfield duo, the same attack, the same playstyle no matter how all of it has been sub par for almost a year.

I just don't see any brightness towards where we're headed right now. Obviously I hope to be proven wrong but I'm not that optimistic.
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Post by huntsman Sat Oct 10, 2015 2:40 pm

it all starts up there in the mind; football as with any other performance craft or sport is more than 70% mental and the rest is carried by this; a foregone result.

So when those users / fans say that mourinho (or insert any other manager's name) is just a manager who knows how to motivate players by working on their psych nothing more; well guess what? that is all what matters. The rest is a self fulfilling prophecy. Those who have a strong psych will eventually work on becoming better to achieve better results..etc.

Tactics? They are important, but any tactic you draft will crumble against a well organized tactically sound team.

Why else do you think I would say that the Purpose of the Manager is to intervene only when the team is not ticking properly? Whenever a team is playing well, the manager should just stand aside and lurk in the shadows, allowing the players to do the work. Let them do their job. If they are riding the tide and they appear to be in a state where everything they do ends up right, well just leave them be. Dont worry about Wenger or Pelli, or other Leagues and whether they are better than the BPL or not.

When the team is ticking right, a manager's main job shrinks to observing his players' strong and weak points and try to motivate them to improve every day and maintain that level of enthusiasm and efficiency.

For example, How good can HAZARD (insert name) be today then he was yesterday? Will use Hazard as an example.

Well as a starter, he needs to lose weight. He is relatively overweight and there is room for improvement in this department. Maybe his BMI is okay but the ratio of his Body Fat to Muscles is not up to the standards. HAZARD is going through a similar spell that Messi had gone through early last season where he had to stop loading on the carbs and he eventually lost what I believe was around 7 to 10lbs of body fat. This increased his speed by a notch; it could be a few milli or micro seconds which made him lethal again.

Hazard needs to undergo a fitness program that could improve on his stamina. Do more sprint exercises cause his dribbling is perfect but he needs to improve his initial burst when dribbling to carry him further for a couple of seconds more where he could smoke the opponents.

Hazard needs to improve his shooting skills. It's obvious that he uses strength in his shots yet he lacks the strength to guide them. He doesnt execute curvy balls like Willian for example. He has to choose what he does best and work on that; more curves / less strength vs less curvy balls with more power.  

Every player has a different profile and has to work on reaching the peak of his top skills and improving on the other aspects of the game.

This is what the manager should be spending time on. Rather than only telling the players to foul an opponent or mark X or Y.

What is Mourinho doing in regards to all this? Probably nothing. He's subbing Matic and Hazard, playing Oscar then Ramires. He is pursuing Stone for the 10th time (is it really a coincidence that the defense is suffering ever since the Stones saga begun?)

The core should focus on improving the players by improving their skills and confidence. When the formula is working, you step down as a manager and watch and analyze and be critical constructively but let the players do the work and when they are not ticking then you step in and intervene with tactics and change of plans and tinkering with the formations.

This is what Mourinho is refusing to acknowledge. He doesnt like the fact that the game is not about him but about the 11 players he fields. If he acknowledges this simple stupid fact and calm down and stop acting like a special one when it is not time to act special then he will eventually reap the rewards of the success that his players achieve and become the special one again. It's a win-win situation where you stop focusing on the goal (becoming the special one) and focus on the process (let the team do the heavy lift and stop your fights with other leagues and managers and players) and the goal is yours anyway.

At this point, any decent manager will achieve better results with Chelsea than Mouriho because Chelsea is suffering from the lack of basic things. You cant drop from being the top of the league to the bottom except if there is something wrong with the core.

Obviously other teams have improved a lot this season, like I warned they would before the start of the season. Unfortunately, neither the fans over here  nor Mourinho saw this coming until it became too transparent and by too transparent I mean too late.
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Post by Kick Sun Oct 11, 2015 11:08 am

@Kick wrote:I think Simeone would be the logical choice, simply due to similarity with him and Jose.

If we wanted to get back to winning ways, have a manager long term and don't care about how we play, he'd be my choice all day long.

But if we wanted something different than Jose, obviously someone else should be chosen.


And just like that, The mirror are saying that Simeone is our back up option should we sack Jose.

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Post by Blue Wed Oct 21, 2015 11:27 pm

Blid also reporting that Roman will pursue Pep if he doesn't extend with Bayern.
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Post by Kick Thu Oct 22, 2015 3:38 am

Hardly surprising, Roman has wanted Pep since 2010 or so.
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Post by Abramovich Thu Oct 22, 2015 12:12 pm

Mou out.
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Post by Kick Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:50 pm

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Post by huntsman Sat Oct 24, 2015 4:02 pm

Fabregas is a disaster.
Zouma is not ready. He is much worse than Iva
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Post by Kick Sun Oct 25, 2015 2:08 am

I really get the feeling we're going to go all out in Jan.
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Post by Soul Sun Oct 25, 2015 12:14 pm

@Kick wrote:I really get the feeling we're going to go all out in Jan.


So looking forward to January!
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Post by Abramovich Sun Oct 25, 2015 4:37 pm

We suck hard, worried about this top 4 spot now especially since we are going into our cursed month of November Laughing
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