Re: Who is the best Player you have ever seen in his absolute best?

by neuro11 Sat May 09, 2015 4:35 pm

zizzle wrote:At his peak Dinho was just magical, much more entertaining than Messi who i consider top 3 of all time (if not the best). At his peak R9 was god's gift to humanity but he probably though we dont deserve it and downgraded him into a human. At his peak Adriano was the best striker ive ever seen but it only lasted a year or so. Nedved, Zidan, Riquilme, and Kaka all had amazing peaks as well. I also remember watching Baggio in Brescia and wished i discovered football a few years earlier. Berkamp at arsenal was beautiful beyond discription.

Top 3 peaks: Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, Messi
Top 3 careers: Messi...........everyone else

well said...
also it points to another flaw in the definition. many players had been fantastic at their peak but their peak very short lived. so the question is, do you really want to compare the ability of a player in peak regardless of how long that ability lasted...

by jibers Sat May 09, 2015 4:38 pm

You can always tell how much people are when they start saying Dinho is the best Laughing

Dinho is severely ovverated. He really is a poor man's Maradona in every aspect of the game. His peak was nowhere near Messis or R9s. Go and find the top teams he elevated his game against and compare them to Messis and he would be embarrassed.

by Beautiful Football Sat May 09, 2015 4:38 pm

neuro11 wrote:
zizzle wrote:At his peak Dinho was just magical, much more entertaining than Messi who i consider top 3 of all time (if not the best). At his peak R9 was god's gift to humanity but he probably though we dont deserve it and downgraded him into a human. At his peak Adriano was the best striker ive ever seen but it only lasted a year or so. Nedved, Zidan, Riquilme, and Kaka all had amazing peaks as well. I also remember watching Baggio in Brescia and wished i discovered football a few years earlier. Berkamp at arsenal was beautiful beyond discription.

Top 3 peaks: Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, Messi
Top 3 careers: Messi...........everyone else

well said...
also it points to another flaw in the definition. many players had been fantastic at their peak but their peak very short lived. so the question is, do you really want to compare the ability of a player in peak regardless of how long that ability lasted...

Longevity doesn't meter here on this topic.

by Hapless_Hans Sat May 09, 2015 4:42 pm

neuro11 wrote:
zizzle wrote:At his peak Dinho was just magical, much more entertaining than Messi who i consider top 3 of all time (if not the best). At his peak R9 was god's gift to humanity but he probably though we dont deserve it and downgraded him into a human. At his peak Adriano was the best striker ive ever seen but it only lasted a year or so. Nedved, Zidan, Riquilme, and Kaka all had amazing peaks as well. I also remember watching Baggio in Brescia and wished i discovered football a few years earlier. Berkamp at arsenal was beautiful beyond discription.

Top 3 peaks: Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, Messi
Top 3 careers: Messi...........everyone else

well said...
also it points to another flaw in the definition. many players had been fantastic at their peak but their peak very short lived. so the question is, do you really want to compare the ability of a player in peak regardless of how long that ability lasted...

That's how I understood the thread yes.

Why not?

One year, one game of absolute magic is something to appreciate too, no?

by Hapless_Hans Sat May 09, 2015 4:46 pm

jibers wrote:You can always tell how much people are when they start saying Dinho is the best

Dinho is severely ovverated. He really is a poor man's Maradona in every aspect of the game. His peak was nowhere near Messis or R9s. Go and find the top teams he elevated his game against and compare them to Messis and he would be embarrassed.

The question was also "that you've seen".

If I say Ronaldinho I don't mean to lay claim to any standing written in stone.
I'm just saying that he was a player that, for me, was incredibly entertaining AND impactful too in his best games, and compared to R9, for example, I've seen quite more of these games so that's my personal candidate.

Those discussions of who REALLY OBJECTIVELY is the best are so incredibly tiring, what's wrong with infusing it with personal feelings and impressions?

by neuro11 Sat May 09, 2015 4:53 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:
neuro11 wrote:
zizzle wrote:At his peak Dinho was just magical, much more entertaining than Messi who i consider top 3 of all time (if not the best). At his peak R9 was god's gift to humanity but he probably though we dont deserve it and downgraded him into a human. At his peak Adriano was the best striker ive ever seen but it only lasted a year or so. Nedved, Zidan, Riquilme, and Kaka all had amazing peaks as well. I also remember watching Baggio in Brescia and wished i discovered football a few years earlier. Berkamp at arsenal was beautiful beyond discription.

Top 3 peaks: Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, Messi
Top 3 careers: Messi...........everyone else

well said...
also it points to another flaw in the definition. many players had been fantastic at their peak but their peak very short lived. so the question is, do you really want to compare the ability of a player in peak regardless of how long that ability lasted...

That's how I understood the thread yes.

Why not?

One year, one game of absolute magic is something to appreciate too, no?

well, ofcourse thats appreciable but thats not my point. my point is whether the comparison with another who had longer time in peak is valid..specially when you are going claim him "best". but i fully agree individuals impression should be respected...

by Superstone Mariomintsch Sat May 09, 2015 5:02 pm

jibers wrote:You can always tell how much people are when they start saying Dinho is the best

Dinho is severely ovverated. He really is a poor man's Maradona in every aspect of the game. His peak was nowhere near Messis or R9s. Go and find the top teams he elevated his game against and compare them to Messis and he would be embarrassed.

Look, jibers, you are one of the knowledgable posters in this forum, I felt that your posts in the old goal.com forum was very well thought.

However, I don't know if it coincides with you "playing around" more, or this is who you really are, I think when you are hyping one guy, you often attack the other guy compared to him.

Anyway, onto the topic, Ronaldinho is my favorite player, and it's not just because he did the most tricks. He was actually really effective in the biggest games. What he did in his prime against AC Milan, Chelsea, and Real Madrid the several times they played against was incredible for me. He was many times the stand-out player of those ties. I didn't really watch/remembered him destroying the smaller teams, as here his matches were played at dawn, yet what he did in what I reckon as big games was excellent.

Oh and anyway, Adriano at that same era of course have a say, OP. He was rightly so called the Emperor

by McLewis Sat May 09, 2015 5:07 pm

I agree largely with those saying Messi, Dinho etc, but for me personally...Totti's play at his absolute peak was just something else entirely.

At his peak, he was truly most artistic footballer I've had the pleasure of watching. From the delightful chips to stunning long-range strikes to the cheeky passes to the improbably and impudent finishes from nearly anywhere in the final third...he was truly intoxicating to watch for me. Very hard to explain beyond that. It's a Roma thing I guess.

by Beautiful Football Sat May 09, 2015 5:11 pm

Superstone Mariomintsch wrote:
jibers wrote:You can always tell how much people are when they start saying Dinho is the best

Dinho is severely ovverated. He really is a poor man's Maradona in every aspect of the game. His peak was nowhere near Messis or R9s. Go and find the top teams he elevated his game against and compare them to Messis and he would be embarrassed.

Look, jibers, you are one of the knowledgable posters in this forum, I felt that your posts in the old goal.com forum was very well thought.

However, I don't know if it coincides with you "playing around" more, or this is who you really are, I think when you are hyping one guy, you often attack the other guy compared to him.

Anyway, onto the topic, Ronaldinho is my favorite player, and it's not just because he did the most tricks. He was actually really effective in the biggest games. What he did in his prime against AC Milan, Chelsea, and Real Madrid the several times they played against was incredible for me. He was many times the stand-out player of those ties. I didn't really watch/remembered him destroying the smaller teams, as here his matches were played at dawn, yet what he did in what I reckon as big games was excellent.

Oh and anyway, Adriano at that same era of course have a say, OP. He was rightly so called the Emperor

Anyway good to see some people still remember Ronaldino. Tbh i really didn't see that much of Adriano [for example week in week out for one year ]but from what i have seen , i think Ronaldo, Eto, Henry etc were better to me.

by Superstone Mariomintsch Sat May 09, 2015 5:22 pm

McLewis wrote:I agree largely with those saying Messi, Dinho etc, but for me personally...Totti's play at his absolute peak was just something else entirely.

At his peak, he was truly most artistic footballer I've had the pleasure of watching. From the delightful chips to stunning long-range strikes to the cheeky passes to the improbably and impudent finishes from nearly anywhere in the final third...he was truly intoxicating to watch for me. Very hard to explain beyond that. It's a Roma thing I guess.

Yes Totti was incredible. Rivaldo was also superb. Valeron, Shevchenko, Redondo, Nedved, Litmanen, etc. There are quite a few players with amazing peaks in the time that we lived in.

by jibers Sat May 09, 2015 5:40 pm

Superstone Mariomintsch wrote:
jibers wrote:You can always tell how much people are when they start saying Dinho is the best

Dinho is severely ovverated. He really is a poor man's Maradona in every aspect of the game. His peak was nowhere near Messis or R9s. Go and find the top teams he elevated his game against and compare them to Messis and he would be embarrassed.

Look, jibers, you are one of the knowledgable posters in this forum, I felt that your posts in the old goal.com forum was very well thought.

However, I don't know if it coincides with you "playing around" more, or this is who you really are, I think when you are hyping one guy, you often attack the other guy compared to him.

Anyway, onto the topic, Ronaldinho is my favorite player, and it's not just because he did the most tricks. He was actually really effective in the biggest games. What he did in his prime against AC Milan, Chelsea, and Real Madrid the several times they played against was incredible for me. He was many times the stand-out player of those ties. I didn't really watch/remembered him destroying the smaller teams, as here his matches were played at dawn, yet what he did in what I reckon as big games was excellent.

Oh and anyway, Adriano at that same era of course have a say, OP. He was rightly so called the Emperor

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by Curtinho Sat May 09, 2015 5:48 pm

Ronaldinho for me.

by zigra Sat May 09, 2015 5:49 pm

Kaiser Franz by a mile.

by izzy Sat May 09, 2015 5:51 pm

Totti, Del Piero and Batistuta.

3 of my Football Gods.

by sree999 Sat May 09, 2015 5:57 pm

Ronaldo not the Portuguese poser but the REAL ONE . Dhino and Messi .

by jibers Sat May 09, 2015 5:57 pm

izzy wrote:Totti, Del Piero and Batistuta.

3 of my Football Gods.

Batigol should have left Fiorentina earlier. Put him in Madrid or Barca as the #9 now and he would get 60 goals a season. His hard accurate strikes have only been replicated by CR And CRsare nowhere near as consistent.

by izzy Sat May 09, 2015 6:04 pm

jibers wrote:Batigol should have left Fiorentina earlier. Put him in Madrid or Barca as the #9 now and he would get 60 goals a season. His hard accurate strikes have only been replicated by CR And CRsare nowhere near as consistent.

He'd be a monster.
Strong as a Bull, deceptively quick, shot power off the charts, his strong aerial presence...... Proud

I miss him. Sad

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sat May 09, 2015 6:30 pm

jibers wrote:
izzy wrote:Totti, Del Piero and Batistuta.

3 of my Football Gods.

Batigol should have left Fiorentina earlier. Put him in Madrid or Barca as the #9 now and he would get 60 goals a season. His hard accurate strikes have only been replicated by CR And CRsare nowhere near as consistent.

Price of loyalty brah.

by M99 Sat May 09, 2015 7:06 pm

Ronaldo R9 followed by Messi, Dinho and Kaka

by jibers Sat May 09, 2015 7:07 pm

For me the besthe I've ever seen is Ryan Giggs both on and off the pitch he scored goals home and away. I hope he gets knighted for his services (:

by Collblanc Sat May 09, 2015 7:07 pm

Xavi, followed by Zidane and Messi.

by Kick Sun May 10, 2015 12:11 am

Forza wrote:I didn't see him play, but probably Butterball Smithy was the best ever.

Smithy GOAT, Messi a distant Second, imo.

by BarcaLearning Mon May 11, 2015 4:43 am

Same with a lot of what ppl have said, firstly R9, then Messi. These two clearly above the others when they are at their best. R9 is a striker and a freak both technically and physically, Messi is more all round, able to play as creator/midfield as well.

by zenmaster Mon May 11, 2015 6:04 am

Ronaldo
Ronaldinho
Messi

by breva Tue May 12, 2015 1:54 am

The two best players I watched in person at games were Johann Cruyff and Diego Maradona. Maradona once, Cruyff several times. I am dating myself, I know. From what I have seen on TV, I believe that both are equal to Messi or Ronaldo, if not better. Cruyff had an amazing acceleration he would run past defenders in a straight line.

by B-Mac Tue May 12, 2015 2:29 am

Ronaldinho wowed me differently then Messi does

Ronaldinho did stuff with a ball at full speed I didn't think was possible that with all his other tricks

Messi wow's me in a more tactical way, less flash but so effortless at what he does

that said

Ibrahimovic is probably my favourite non United player ever :coffee:

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