Juventus VS Genoa

I get shocked when I see people saying we don't have the players to move to an attacking based game,Coman, Giovinco, even Tevez and llorente are not built for 3-meh-2

in these guys we have all the instruments we need for a 4-3-2-1 or 4-3-3

Coman/Giovinco------------------------Tevez

----------------Llorente/Morata-------------


Coman------------Morata--------------Tevez/Giovinco


Morata------------Llorente--------------Tevez

Llorente needs an accurate crosser lumping him pin-point crosses not Asamoah and Lichsteiner

or Pirlo's 50 yard passes from 50 yards which he has to hold down and due to his size, no skill and speed is caught up by the defender, as Tom said we need that changer in the opponent's area not one hanging out in our own area...... i had been saying how Allegri was clinging to 3-5-2 because he thought it works in Serie A so it would secure him his job but I am very happy we lost, too bad it was just 1-0, 5-0 would have been better (the retard actually blamed the pitch )

we have the players who are not elite game changers in the final 3rd in Coman Gio and Tevez at the level of say Robben, Goetze, Ronaldo or Bale level but come on for a pace less Serie A, you cannot tell me Gio/Coman and Tevez adrift Morata/Llo bombarding at the slow clinging 3-5-2 laced defenses, we cannot be scoring 's and 6's every other game,

even Gervinho looks like Messi in Serie A, Allegri has no fkn excuse, am usually the first to blame Marotta but here you cannot fault Marotta much when we have such a retard on our bench....... we have the attacking players willing to run at defenses USE THEM FOR FKN SAKE.....

not sure why wasted my energy typing, the retard will be back to 3-meh-2 vs Empoli anyways and use "WITHOUT BARZAGLI, WE CANNOT PLAY A BACK 4" as his excuse, but we have Caceres, Chiellini, Ogbonna even Bonucci all playing and used to a back fkn 4.....

Sorry men.
Until Juve-Roma we was champions and now are we lacking?

There are many problems, it's true.
But 3-5-2 or LLorente were also last year.

Our technical level is the same of last year.

The difference is who Conte was be able to go out character by players. Allegri must be given time.

the problem is who club like a juve have not time

The 3-5-2 has been outdated for years now. The onlyreason wevebeen winning Serie A and 1 time got out of thr group stGes in the CL is becUse of the talent level we have in the team. We have some serious talent in rhisbteam it just needs to be utilized correctly. The first switch should be 4-3-3. Buffon in goal of course. Let Lichsteiner and Caceres fight it out for RB. Bonucci can have the spot next to Chiellini until Barzagli gets back. Then let Evra and Asamoah fight it out for the LB spot. Then Marchisio, Pogba, and Vidal in midfield, Pirlo can fight for his spot too. Then Tevez on the left up front. Let Morata and Llorente fight it out for the spot up front. And let Peyrera, Giovinco, and Coman fight it oit for the spot up top on the right. I would say something like this:


So we cant even say we dont have the players for it. Yea we could use another quality winger or another quality fullback but we could definitely be anle to play this formation in the next game. No excuses Allegri.

Don't act like you haven't been dissapointed by players like Giovinco.It could be the formation excuse but I still believe Gio and other subs like Coman will not make a huge impact on a new formation.
I agree about Serie A,it could work against slow opponents but our attacking wide players don't have great qualities for CL.
I would like to see it on the field first and then make judgements,probably not going to happen soon

lol we have the players for 4-3-3 ?

LEt me start with this : we don't have LB ffs, Evra is shit, he is slow, he forgot how to tacle, has no sense of positioning in defense I would play Padoin as LB faster than Evra.

Asamoah as LB? Are you *bleep* kidding me? Have you seen this guy's tackles? He is CM nothing more and a good one.

As for RB we have only one RB in the team, Cacers is not RB or LB he is CB, he can't play at the RB position as an RB can, his passes are horrid and scary ( remember he gave two balls to Ronaldo one from which he scored), he is not fast enough or has the dribbling to be RB same goes for Licht who can only be defensive minded RB and he is better dribbler than Caceres ( that tells enough). who do we have as cover? Oh Motta I forgot...

in CM we got 3 position to be filled ( you want asa as LB so that leaves him out) so we have Pereyra and Romulo.

In attack wingers? What wingers? Aside from Pepe who do we have who is a real winger? WE DONT.

Wingers need to track back in 4-3-3 and assist in defense, do you expcet that from Gionvinco and coman? Give me a break, Coman is nothing but a talent he is not a ready player you saw what they did to him in the last game he played they were throwing him away like a peanut.

Now go ahead and tell me that we have team for 4-3-3 with this players ? 4-3-3 in what ? Football Manager?

Our CB's are also shit, remember that Bonucci was lost in space in 4 man backline only Chiellini was the real deal who btw has no idea what an offside trap is. Barzagli was shit to. This team is built for 3-5-2 , if we want to see 4-3-3 we'll have to sell one or two players and start from scratch again whole summer not in middle of the season.

The point is not about whether we have wingers to play a 4-3-3! The point is we have enough quality attacking players that we don't have to play a 5-3-2. We could easily play a 4-3-1-2 or a 4-2-3-1 but we don't. Also just coz we dont have a great LB that doesn't mean we should play a back line of 3 as it's not like we are not conceding goals, teams are pissing all over our back 3 so why bother. I would rather we have took the game to opposition! I would put Chiellini at LB and play Caceres and Barzagli at CB with Licht or Romulo RB! Chiellini is a liability at CB for me as he is a territorial player so he would hold his shit down on the left for us!

For me the best formation for us would be a 4-3-2-1. With Tevez and Giovinco/Pereyra allowed to roam and buzz around the area and behind Morata. That would be more than enough creativity to allow our midfielders to push forward and press the opposition. Direct, creative football. BTW I think Morata will become a world class striker, he looks brilliant!

You guy overrate our team, we are decent team nothing more.

We have one great cb who is injured ( Barzagli) and great GK, one so far great midfield ( Marchisio) ( Pirlo, Vidal are just shadows), and a good SS/CF in Tevez. Nothing more everything else is average to good at best.

We are great for Serie A.

Average to good for UCL nothing more.

I don't over rate our team at all. I accept that we are shit but the least we can do is play attacking aggressive football against teams that are even shiter than we are. I don't expect us to win any of remaining 3 champions league games either regardless of whether we switch formation and tactics but I am just making the point that we don't have to play a back 3 defense and let them pass the ball about amongst themselves or even act as playmakers. Also I think we have a shit defence, great Italian defenders are a thing of the past for me and our defenders are average to good at best, you can tell that when they give away stupid free kicks with tackles from behind. You either anticipate the pass and beat the man to ball or you press him so he can't turn you. Our guys do this stupid hook tackle from behind which always gives away a stupid foul.

BTW I said Morata will become a world class striker, not necessarily at Juventus though

I know what you meant bro I was just stating my opinion even thou I don't agree with you bro, you know I love you and respect you

btw did u delete your fb ?

We should buy Darmian and a new left back

Then 3 wingers, 1 back up and 2 who are good at what they do. They don't have to be World Class but as long as they're quick, direct and technically sound they'd help our team massively

Drop Llorente for ever, and sell him. No more static forwards who need to be fed constantly, they are passengers in the game.

We're pathetically under stocked on players who play on flanks I.E full backs and wingers, until we address that AND our shit, conservative mentality then we'll keep declining.

It will take time for Max to get some actual and honest attacking play out of this crop. Conte killed any form of normal and decent football. Instead he made men into a slow and senseless, MACHINE.

It will take some top notch programming getting anything more out of this old fashioned machine, heck it would be easier just buying a new one. I say we sell everything but Gigi and then just buy Müller and Falcao let Primavera take care of the rest.

Just a couple of days ago you guys said we're a good team, now a draw and two losses suddenly makes us shit? Losing to Atletico away isn't horrible, Real Madrid lost to them too. Against Olympiacos it was also an away game in which the same team beat Atletico. Also, don't forget their keeper saved them on many occasions, but I still think we should've played better that game. The game vs Genoa was just bad imo, and vs Sassuolo they pressed hard and played a good game. We could've done better, but then again, it's very hard to win every game. I'm not saying we're playing great, as I believe switching to 4-3-3 would help us (hopefully), but we're not a bad team.

Devi, I believe we can play a 4-3-3, I know our players aren't all going to fit in the 4-3-3, but not all of them fit the 3-5-2. Asamoah has to defend in the UCL if we have him at LWB, and same with Licht. The difference is they both push up a lot in the 3-5-2, which is wrong because they're not wingers. In a 4-3-3, Giovinco can play really nice if he puts his head in the game, same with Coman who has nice speed and dribbles, just needs a proper chance. Morata and Llorente are good strikers, and Llorente is better in a 4-3-3 when supplied good crosses. Even Pereyra can play on the wing if he's good enough for it.

Tracking back we'll deal with, I've seen Coman track back vs Chievo and fight for the ball. Gio does the same sometimes too. Tevez will no doubt work hard, and even Morata drops back sometimes too. It can work out, we need to try it vs Empoli to see if it actually works, and so the players can get used to it a bit. We actually have 5 CM subs, Asamaoh who if not playing LB can sub in, Padoin, Romulo, Pirlo and Pereyra (if not RW) Caceres, who did make mistakes vs Madrid, still had a part to play in both of Llorente's goals, and in my opinion has a better cross than Lichtseiner. He's not as bad as you say he is, he's not a bad dribbler either. He can even play LB if needed. Also, I think I heard on this forum that Chiellini is good in a back 4, so then we need to see who can play beside him. We need to try it.

Also, to be honest, maybe just switching the formation in general will help us more, even if some players are worse in the 4-3-3, which I don't think is true. 3-5-2 is exposed on the counter.

--Licht---Bon---Chiel--Evra--
------------March------------
--Pereyra------------Asamoah--
-------------Tevez----
----Morata----Llorente---


I would like to see this

DeviAngel wrote:--Licht---Bon---Chiel--Evra--
------------March------------
--Pereyra------------Asamoah--
-------------Tevez----
----Morata----Llorente---


I would like to see this

This isn't a bad formation, but we need to play Pogba and Vidal. Unless you're talking about the game vs Empoli. Also, I don't like it when Llorente is playing with another striker beside him.

Asamoah has been several times deployed as a left back for Ghana and did great every time he played there even if he came out to say he was not a LB it was just the typical Ghanaian foreign player looks down on the Ghanaian local coach attitude, if Allegri asked him to play there, he wouldn't flinch......

our whole problem is Allegri's delusions and cluelessness into clinging on 3-5-2 (which he will this weekend, we win and he will believe in it again, then we'll get hammered along the line soon and miss the R16 and then by the time he'll decide to fix things it would have been too late anyways) but whichever way am really hoping we keep failing (ho we just get top 3 to make CL) but failing hard = Mr Dumb Clown will get fired, we'll hire a coach who would want to do the right thing, because come to think of it, if we win Serie A, those clowns at the top will keep Allegri since their aims are always Serie A and "Juve cannot compete with the best in Europe"

@juvegigi: whatever you are are on must be some really good stuff if you think we don't suck, we are really terrible, and the fact that we steamroll Serie A speaks volumes, thankfully and hopefully Roma wins it this season so we can fire the fool asap.....

Tomwin Lannister wrote:No more static forwards who need to be fed constantly, they are passengers in the game.

I believe that it was a mistake to sell both Quagliarella and Vucinic. If we kept either of them, preferably Vucinic, the team would be more flexible.

and if we have to insist on playing a back 3

Allegri never heard of 3-4-1-2?

that'd work with Gio/Coman behind Tevez-Morata.....

DeviAngel wrote:I know what you meant bro I was just stating my opinion even thou I don't agree with you bro, you know I love you and respect you

btw did u delete your fb ?

Lol we go back years bro!

I deleted my FB a while back, got married, had a kid, expanded my business so didn't have time between family and work for social networking.

You still living out in America?

Allegri is playing a 3-5-2 tomorrow with Giovinco and Morata upfront. Pereyra instead of Licht!

inderbaby wrote:

DeviAngel wrote:I know what you meant bro I was just stating my opinion even thou I don't agree with you bro, you know I love you and respect you

btw did u delete your fb ?

Lol we go back years bro!

I deleted my FB a while back, got married, had a kid, expanded my business so didn't have time between family and work for social networking.

You still living out in America?

nah, I'm back home. My visa expired.

sportsczy wrote:

inderbaby wrote:Allegri is playing a 3-5-2 tomorrow with Giovinco and Morata upfront. Pereyra instead of Licht!

That's actually a decent idea. Brings speed and youth to the side. Playing too many veterans that aren't hungry enough so far.

Maybe but again I think we should be taking the initiative and attacking Empoli by playing one less defender and an extra attacker.

DeviAngel wrote:

inderbaby wrote:

DeviAngel wrote:I know what you meant bro I was just stating my opinion even thou I don't agree with you bro, you know I love you and respect you

btw did u delete your fb ?

Lol we go back years bro!

I deleted my FB a while back, got married, had a kid, expanded my business so didn't have time between family and work for social networking.

You still living out in America?

nah, I'm back home. My visa expired.

Ah well you got plenty of time to go back again. If you ever come to England I got plenty of work if you needed a job.

inderbaby wrote:

DeviAngel wrote:

inderbaby wrote:

DeviAngel wrote:I know what you meant bro I was just stating my opinion even thou I don't agree with you bro, you know I love you and respect you

btw did u delete your fb ?

Lol we go back years bro!

I deleted my FB a while back, got married, had a kid, expanded my business so didn't have time between family and work for social networking.

You still living out in America?

nah, I'm back home. My visa expired.

Ah well you got plenty of time to go back again. If you ever come to England I got plenty of work if you needed a job.

tbh that's on the cards I will contact you leave me your mail in pm