Re: Rival Thread: 2014-15

by Art Morte Sun Jan 11, 2015 9:55 am

A very good round for us. West Ham and Swansea did draw and Tottenham lost and ManU and Southampton will face each other today.

by iftikhar Sun Jan 11, 2015 1:20 pm

Hopefully we overtake West Ham (and may be one other) by months's end.

by Helmer Sun Jan 11, 2015 1:24 pm

HEIL MEIN REDS wrote:well the reason i said we will be 5th is not because our opposition wont drop points, I think we are equally equipped to drop points against the likes of Sunderland and Villa away games
Also the fact is, if Arsenal gain 7 points from those game and we gain 12 points, we would still be on equal points with them. So I think for me a very optimistic situation will be going 5th by end of Jan.

will it happen hmm

I doubt !!

by Art Morte Sun Jan 11, 2015 1:44 pm

We would be 6th now if we didn't mess up the Leicester game :facepalm:

by iftikhar Sun Jan 11, 2015 6:29 pm

Now hoping for the Saints to reign over the Devils

by Helmer Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:17 am

we have to make it count. We need a very strong run to continue even in Feb, because Feb fixture list is scary !!

by iftikhar Mon Jan 12, 2015 6:34 am

HEIL MEIN REDS wrote:we have to make it count. We need a very strong run to continue even in Feb, because Feb fixture list is scary !!

We need a strong run till season's end.

by mr-r34 Mon Jan 12, 2015 7:46 am

Big week this one for us, whenever we manage to get on a positive note we some how manage to *bleep* it up. Fixtures aren't on our side this week, but it's weeks like this we need to overcome to keep up with the pace.

Villa haven't always been the easiest of teams for us and considering it's away we have a tough fixture ahead. United, Southampton, Spurs and West ham should all win, potentially Newcastle can get something from Southampton, but no Pardew no party :coffee:

. Arsenal should by all means lose but you never know, i can definitely see a draw here, but city will be hungry for a win after a disappointing draw against Everton.

We need to win this week to stay within arms reach of the remaining 2 top 4 places, if we drop points it's another case of 1 step forward 2 steps back.

02:00 Aston Villa ? - ? Liverpool
02:00 Burnley ? - ? Crystal Palace
02:00 Leicester City ? - ? Stoke City
02:00 Queens Park Rangers ? - ? Manchester United
02:00 Swansea City ? - ? Chelsea
02:00 Tottenham Hotspur ? - ? Sunderland
04:30 Newcastle United ? - ? Southampton
January 19
00:30 West Ham United ? - ? Hull City
03:00 Manchester City ? - ? Arsenal

by Art Morte Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:36 am

Those kick-off times for you Aussies eco smile

by mr-r34 Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:01 am

I wouldn't have it any other way.

Fifa all night followed by PL action, what more can you want.

*Excludes Sunday games FML

by Helmer Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:38 pm

Imagine spending 170m on the team, being the best manager in the world ever, and having the same amount of points after 21 games as Moyes though Laughing

by mr-r34 Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:18 pm

HEIL MEIN REDS wrote:Imagine spending 170m on the team, being the best manager in the world ever, and having the same amount of points after 21 games as Moyes though

I was told yesterday by united fans that in recent weeks we haven't improved, but they have since last year......

by Red Alert Tue Jan 13, 2015 6:23 am

Imagine spending 100m+ on the team, being the best manager in the world ever, and having lost 10 points after the same 21 games though Laughing

In fact, he's spent 200m+ since he's being here, and had more points in his FIRST season at the club. rofl

First season:
21 games 34 points
42 goals scored, 30 conceded

Second season:
21 games, 42 points
51 goals scored, 26 conceded

Third season:
21 games 32 points
29 goals scored, 27 conceded

by Helmer Tue Jan 13, 2015 10:26 am

I know Brendans record this season has been poor. I think it would be miracle if we finish top 4, it is never easy to go ahead of teams above you, at this stage of the season.

by Nishankly Tue Jan 13, 2015 1:31 pm

A 3-4 continous win streak and we're back in the mix proper. Its not over until the 31st game and if we're within 5 points that time.

by DeletedUser#1 Tue Jan 13, 2015 6:56 pm

Red Alert wrote:Imagine spending 100m+ on the team, being the best manager in the world ever, and having lost 10 points after the same 21 games though

In fact, he's spent 200m+ since he's being here, and had more points in his FIRST season at the club.

First season:
21 games 34 points
42 goals scored, 30 conceded

Second season:
21 games, 42 points
51 goals scored, 26 conceded

Third season:
21 games 32 points
29 goals scored, 27 conceded

Brendan got us closer to a PL title in his second year than Rafa got in 6 years here.

FACT.

Can't wait until we win a trophy or two this season and finish in top 4, only to see you becoming a Spain NT fan because of Rafa Proud

by DeletedUser#1 Tue Jan 13, 2015 6:58 pm

HEIL MEIN REDS wrote:I know Brendans record this season has been poor. I think it would be miracle if we finish top 4, it is never easy to go ahead of teams above you, at this stage of the season.

We were 8 points off top tis time last season, and every single one of you mocked me for creating that "going for title" thread before the Arsenal game.

It's hard. but it's do-able.

we lost FIFTY league goals. hopefully at least 10/15 of them are coming back this next week. our summer signings are starting to settle in new formation, and history has shown we always do better at BR's second alves of seasons.

I'm not saying we're guaranteed top 4 spot or anything...but it wouldn't be a "MIRACLE".

3 weeks ago, we were 10 points off Man U. Now the gap is cut to half. with 17 games to go.

by Curtinho Tue Jan 13, 2015 7:52 pm

I've been trying to preach positivity and patience all year my friend. It's nice to have a comrade in arms. drinking

by Helmer Tue Jan 13, 2015 9:29 pm

Natalie Portman wrote:
HEIL MEIN REDS wrote:I know Brendans record this season has been poor. I think it would be miracle if we finish top 4, it is never easy to go ahead of teams above you, at this stage of the season.

We were 8 points off top tis time last season, and every single one of you mocked me for creating that "going for title" thread before the Arsenal game.

It's hard. but it's do-able.

we lost FIFTY league goals. hopefully at least 10/15 of them are coming back this next week. our summer signings are starting to settle in new formation, and history has shown we always do better at BR's second alves of seasons.

I'm not saying we're guaranteed top 4 spot or anything...but it wouldn't be a "MIRACLE".

3 weeks ago, we were 10 points off Man U. Now the gap is cut to half. with 17 games to go.

mate, I have been saying from the start of the season that our priority should be 'to finish top 4'. So I had always thought that it would be difficult to carry the last season's form. You know that I am neither negative nor too optimistic. You also know very well that that an amazing run when we had both Suarez and Sturridge firing on all cylinders, took us near the top. So I think we need some sort of strong run of form again to reduce the gap.

Also my judgement is based on that I am not expecting all three of Southampton, Arsenal and ManUtd to drop so many points to let us get into top 4. I think we really need great luck that both of the following to happen 'we go on a strong run' and 'the rivals drop enough points'. I think it is extremely difficult that both will go in our favour. My opinion is, even if Sturridge remains fit for all of the season, the H2H matches will decide our future and we will probably finish in top 4 (by a small margin, may be like 1 point) or we will miss top 4 (by 2 points). That too Sturridge remaining fit. So I think even after Sturridge remaining fit for the whole season, will just make it extremely competitive. That is why I would hyperbole it and call it a miracle, if after such a terrible start we still manage to finish in top 4.

by Red Alert Wed Jan 14, 2015 6:52 am

Natalie Portman wrote:
Red Alert wrote:Imagine spending 100m+ on the team, being the best manager in the world ever, and having lost 10 points after the same 21 games though

In fact, he's spent 200m+ since he's being here, and had more points in his FIRST season at the club.

First season:
21 games 34 points
42 goals scored, 30 conceded

Second season:
21 games, 42 points
51 goals scored, 26 conceded

Third season:
21 games 32 points
29 goals scored, 27 conceded

Brendan got us closer to a PL title in his second year than Rafa got in 6 years here.

FACT.

Can't wait until we win a trophy or two this season and finish in top 4, only to see you becoming a Spain NT fan because of Rafa

Team in 08/09 finished with 86 points, scoring 77 conceding 27 [compared to 82 points, scoring 102, conceding 48 was it?]. In a tougher league. 3 teams made it to the semis of the CL that year. Liverpool being one of them. With some what less depth. Oh, and we were considered the best team in Europe, FACT.

Can't wait until his sacked to get your real thoughts on this whole ordeal. We went from Suarez and Sturridge to Sterling and shit. Proud

by iftikhar Wed Jan 14, 2015 6:57 am

Guys, we have a thread for Brendon :whistle:

by Curtinho Wed Jan 14, 2015 3:49 pm

Red Alert wrote:Team in 08/09 finished with 86 points, scoring 77 conceding 27 [compared to 82 points, scoring 102, conceding 48 was it?]. In a tougher league. 3 teams made it to the semis of the CL that year. Liverpool being one of them. With some what less depth. Oh, and we were considered the best team in Europe, FACT.

Can't wait until his sacked to get your real thoughts on this whole ordeal. We went from Suarez and Sturridge to Sterling and shit.

So what you are saying is that Benitez failed to win a single trophy, or the league, with the best team in Europe? So, despite having better players and more time with his team he failed to do better than Rodgers? Hmm...

I would like to see what Rodgers could do if he had the best team in Europe. :coffee:

I mean look at the difference in quality in the players that Benitez got to manage in just that season versus Rodgers: Gerrard, Torres, Alonso, Mascherano, Carragher, Agger, Reina, Kuyt, etc. all in their primes. Embarassed

by Red Alert Thu Jan 15, 2015 5:55 am

El Cujo wrote:
Red Alert wrote:Team in 08/09 finished with 86 points, scoring 77 conceding 27 [compared to 82 points, scoring 102, conceding 48 was it?]. In a tougher league. 3 teams made it to the semis of the CL that year. Liverpool being one of them. With some what less depth. Oh, and we were considered the best team in Europe, FACT.

Can't wait until his sacked to get your real thoughts on this whole ordeal. We went from Suarez and Sturridge to Sterling and shit.

So what you are saying is that Benitez failed to win a single trophy, or the league, with the best team in Europe? So, despite having better players and more time with his team he failed to do better than Rodgers? Hmm...

I would like to see what Rodgers could do if he had the best team in Europe.

I mean look at the difference in quality in the players that Benitez got to manage in just that season versus Rodgers: Gerrard, Torres, Alonso, Mascherano, Carragher, Agger, Reina, Kuyt, etc. all in their primes.

You're right.

Rafa went "trophyless". What a flop. Terrible, just terrible.
Rodgers though, what a man. Proud

Also, are you kidding me? Like. Seriously. Are you really arguing the point that Rafa had THOSE players? The players HE bought. With limited funds, by the way. 3 years later with your love child, who exactly do we have? We've been carried by a 20 year old kid for most of the season ffs. And he's actually been BACKED by the manager.

by Helmer Thu Jan 15, 2015 9:54 am

Btw, I predict now, if ManUtd drop points this weekend, they wont finish in top 4 :coffee:

but please dont ask me if we will take their place !!

by Curtinho Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:53 pm

Red Alert wrote:Also, are you kidding me? Like. Seriously. Are you really arguing the point that Rafa had THOSE players? The players HE bought. With limited funds, by the way. 3 years later with your love child, who exactly do we have? We've been carried by a 20 year old kid for most of the season ffs. And he's actually been BACKED by the manager.

We haven't been carried by anyone. The season has had a rough start as players adapt to losing two of the best players we had from last season, and playing with a lot of new teammates.

With that said I'm not saying that Rafa didn't do well to get most of those players, but if you want to compare what Rafa had to work with versus what Rodgers has had to work with it's a completely different situation. On top of which Benitez wasn't dealing with a transfer committee (limited funds or not). Also there are a number of players that Rodgers has bought that look like they will become class, or are already showing their ability. Keep in mind the season that you were talking about was not the first season in Liverpool for all of those players -- this is Rodgers' first season with the players he bought.

by iftikhar Thu Jan 15, 2015 5:50 pm

This weekend

QPR-ManU: Don't expect any help here...
Swansea-Chelsea: ...and not here as well
Spurs-Sunderland: Hope the Cats aren't as lousy as they were against us
Newcastle-Southampton: 1-1-4 vs. 4-1-1 :facepalm:

WHU-Hull: WHU have been meh in recent weeks
ManC-Arsenal: Well, this one looks promising :wub:

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