Re: La Liga 2013/14 Discussion Mk. 3

by BarrileteCosmico Sun May 04, 2014 10:15 pm

Winter is Coming wrote:
BarrileteCosmico wrote:
urbaNRoots wrote:If Atletico, Real and Barça all end up with 89 points, who wins the league?
assuming barca beat atleti they would have beat Madrid twice and atleti once. Atleti would have beat Madrid twice and Barça once. Madrid would have beat no one, so they're disqualified. Since Barça and Atletico would both have 9 points from 12 possible the next decider is goal difference. If that's the same it the goes to goals scored.

Atleti has't beaten us the first game ended 0-0. And Atleti have one win and draw against RM.

oh then we would take it

by Ganso Sun May 04, 2014 10:15 pm

Madrid have 2 away games now, will the choke job go on? hmm

by Brady2Moss Sun May 04, 2014 10:15 pm

If Atletico wins nxt week against Malaga, the title is theirs. Barca gave up a long time ago.

by Lord Spencer Sun May 04, 2014 10:17 pm

Detailing Carlo's Master plan for the league:

Assuming Madrid won this match, and all teams win their next matches; then the Point Tally would be:

-91: Atleti
-91: Madrid
-88: Barca

Barca's only hope for the title would be beating Atleti and Madrid loosing, a highly risky chance. In all accounts, Barca would like to throw the match to hand Atleti the win.

However, by Drawing this match, the league table becomes (Assuming all win their next matches):

-91: Atleti
-89: Madrid
-88: Barca

Now, Barca wins if they beat Atleti and Madrid fails to win, a much more likely scenario than asking Madrid to lose. With Barca being able to win it, I Think they will try for it in the second scenario when they wouldn't have in the first.

Carlo knew this, therefore his tactical masterplan :bow:

I don't actually believe this was intentional by Carlo Laughing

, but it does give Madrid the same chance of winning the league than winning imo.

by Mr Nick09 Sun May 04, 2014 10:20 pm

when is the last time barca beat atletico? Laughing

and their form now is worse than it's ever been this season, it's done. Unless Atletico fail to win at malaga, this is over.

by danyjr Sun May 04, 2014 10:21 pm

Ganso wrote:Cr's goal have won Madrid the league.Ateltico will have to win Malaga and at the Camp Nou to win the league

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think a win at Calderón and a draw in Camp Nou would suffice for Atlético to win the league regardless of what happens in the other matches.

by Zealous Sun May 04, 2014 10:22 pm

Lord Spencer wrote:Detailing Carlo's Master plan for the league:

Assuming Madrid won this match, and all teams win their next matches; then the Point Tally would be:

-91: Atleti
-91: Madrid
-88: Barca

Barca's only hope for the title would be beating Atleti and Madrid loosing, a highly risky chance. In all accounts, Barca would like to throw the match to hand Atleti the win.

However, by Drawing this match, the league table becomes (Assuming all win their next matches):

-91: Atleti
-89: Madrid
-88: Barca

Now, Barca wins if they beat Atleti and Madrid fails to win, a much more likely scenario than asking Madrid to lose. With Barca being able to win it, I Think they will try for it in the second scenario when they wouldn't have in the first.

Carlo knew this, therefore his tactical masterplan

I don't actually believe this was intentional by Carlo , but it does give Madrid the same chance of winning the league than winning imo.

LOL

by Winter is Coming Sun May 04, 2014 10:22 pm

Madrid still have three games tho if they win all three they'll be at 92 at the end, while we are at 88 and Atleti at 91, before the final between the two, if we beat Atleti we go to 91 and Atleti stay, so in other words Atleti need a draw or a win against us and the league is theres.

by Zealous Sun May 04, 2014 10:23 pm

On the last matchday all the games will be played at the same time. That will be a big factor.

by Ganso Sun May 04, 2014 10:28 pm

I think we will have the title decided next matchday and not on the final one.Both Madrid and Barca have high possibilities of choking hmm

I predict madrid to drop points vs Celta and Barca to drop points vs Elche

by Lord Spencer Sun May 04, 2014 10:29 pm

Winter is Coming wrote:Madrid still have three games tho if they win all three they'll be at 92 at the end, while we are at 88 and Atleti at 91, before the final between the two, if we beat Atleti we go to 91 and Atleti stay, so in other words Atleti need a draw or a win against us and the league is theres.

However, if Madrid fails to win, and Barca wins against Atleti then it is Barca's title.

Wouldn't Barca try their best to win given that they only need Madrid to fail to win?

Anyway you look at it, it depends on Barca. They could either hand the title to any of the Madrid teams, or potentially steal the title from Under their noses provided Espanyol does them a favor.

by Brady2Moss Sun May 04, 2014 10:30 pm

Zealous wrote:On the last matchday all the games will be played at the same time. That will be a big factor.

That Madrid match against Espanyol on the last day is already a forgone conclusion. With that in mind, will Barca give it their all against Atletico? I highly doubt it. Laughing

by jontsu Sun May 04, 2014 10:32 pm

Do you guys really think that Barca would try to win Atletico in the last match if R.Madrid was atleast 1 point ahead of Barca? I think Barca would rather be 3rd and let Atletico win La-liga instead of being 2nd and let R.madrid win the league. But If Barca were atleast even on points with Real before the last match-up, then they would try to win.

But R.Madrid's title is far away. Away match against Valladolid which has lots in stake, and also Celta which has been in great form recently.

So all Atletico needs to do is to atleast draw Malaga, because Barca will rather lose the last match than let the white shirts lift the liga title.

So in the end it's now all up to Real madrid. My percentages for title

Atletico 70% , Barca 15%, Real 15%

by urbaNRoots Sun May 04, 2014 10:33 pm

Of course Barcelona will give their all, they still have a chance if they win their remaining games.

The problem is, I can't see Atletico losing to Barça even if they play their hearts out Laughing

by Mr Nick09 Sun May 04, 2014 10:34 pm

Martino is going to field his best possible team on the last day, and they will play to win. what are you guys talking about? u think barca are just gonna field barca B ? looooool. they are in the camp nou ffs, tthey will try to win, they dont care.

by Ganso Sun May 04, 2014 10:36 pm

here is a calculator
http://www.marca.com/2014/03/30/multimedia/graficos/1396139847.html

by Brady2Moss Sun May 04, 2014 10:38 pm

urbaNRoots wrote:Of course Barcelona will give their all, they still have a chance if they win their remaining games.

The problem is, I can't see Atletico losing to Barça even if they play their hearts out

If Real Madrid win their next two games, Barca got nothing to play for. We will probably see Pinto try to dribble the whole Atletico team on the last day.

by Winter is Coming Sun May 04, 2014 10:40 pm

Oh man defeat to Granada and draw with Getafe.

by RealGunner Sun May 04, 2014 10:42 pm

Madrid can drop a point anywhere and league is barca's if they win their last 2 games.

damn.

by Winter is Coming Sun May 04, 2014 10:44 pm

Ganso wrote:wow i just realized that even if Madrid win all their remaining games , barca can still win the league simply by winning Elche and drawing Atletico

I actually think Barca are favorites now

No lol RM have three games remaining so thats 9 points and will bring them up to 92 from 83. Barcelona has 2 games and if they win both that will bring them up to 91 from 85.

Madrid didn't play game before the first leg against Bayern Munich, after mid week the CdR final.

by Mr Nick09 Sun May 04, 2014 10:45 pm

i think all the games for the next two weeks are all at the same time, there will be some intense drama

by RealGunner Sun May 04, 2014 10:47 pm

Barca and Madrid agreed to have games at the same time? Interesting

by Ganso Sun May 04, 2014 10:47 pm

Winter is Coming wrote:
Ganso wrote:wow i just realized that even if Madrid win all their remaining games , barca can still win the league simply by winning Elche and drawing Atletico

I actually think Barca are favorites now

No lol RM have three games remaining so thats 9 points and will bring them up to 92 from 83. Barcelona has 2 games and if they win both that will bring them up to 91 from 85.

Madrid didn't play game before the first leg against Bayern Munich, after mid week the CdR final.

I based my post on Marca's calculator,which is wrong.according to them barca have 88 points currently while they actually have 85

by Winter is Coming Sun May 04, 2014 10:48 pm

Ganso wrote:
Winter is Coming wrote:
Ganso wrote:wow i just realized that even if Madrid win all their remaining games , barca can still win the league simply by winning Elche and drawing Atletico

I actually think Barca are favorites now

No lol RM have three games remaining so thats 9 points and will bring them up to 92 from 83. Barcelona has 2 games and if they win both that will bring them up to 91 from 85.

Madrid didn't play game before the first leg against Bayern Munich, after mid week the CdR final.
I based my post on Marca's calculator,which is wrong.according to them barca have 88 points currently while they actually have 85

Oh for me its at 85...

by Khaled Sun May 04, 2014 10:52 pm

2006/07 all over again!!!!!!!!

Hopefully, with a happy ending this time!

by BarrileteCosmico Sun May 04, 2014 10:53 pm

Mr Nick09 wrote:i think all the games for the next two weeks are all at the same time, there will be some intense drama

yeah Madrid play mid week and after that no one else has a match in hamd

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