Oscar > Mata - Mourinho

typical of Mou. he doesn't like it when fans/media campaign for a guy to start/get playing time eventhough its evident that they deserve to

how long till he ditches Luiz for good

Mou does everything backhanded, he waited till the window was closed before telling Mata he wasn't in his plans by purpose. he is a scumbag who always points to trophies won whenever he gets criticised

cant wait for pellegrini to whip his ass both tactically and by claas when city and chelsea meet. "When I leave I wont coach malaga" well here you go son he is coaching City and will finish ahead of you in the league and go further than you in cl. cant wait for his lovely excuse then.....if he is still coaching chelsea that is

Mata IS not even on the bench today

Ostracized to the CORE!!!!!!

what happened to the chat box?

You are probably banned

if it was Rafa who benched Mata, chelsea fans would publicly execute him.

Always said mou doesn't know how to rate players, i remember a fit sahin couldn't catch a break while lass played so many minutes

Of course he knows. You know, i know, every body knows and he knows.
Knowing what is right and doing the right thing are completely different.

He will fail and he should so he can take his managerial career to the next level. The other clubs and players have already mutated. they have figured him out.

Once he realizes that the game is not about him anymore (and i am not saying he will with this stubborn mentality) but about the 11 players he fields, the heavy burden will be lifted and the moment of clarity will arrive.

thats why each and everyone of you aren't coaches and your opinions (rightly pointed out) yet inaccurate and wrong 99% of the time.

maybe super mata is the reason for chelsea failing to win PL last couple of seasons, weekly games require every single possible help defensively, help that mata gives like close to 0.
nor can mata play to the right, at least not better than the current starters.

mata is and will be a sub from now on, everyone should deal with it.

oscar>>>>>>> simply more usefull

oscar was the player with most tackles on the pitch today.DMscar

Fascinating interview by Mourinho.

Oscar does have the potential to be the best player he's ever managed at Chelsea so wanting to build the side around him is very reasonable in my opinion...

What I don't get is why Hazard suddenly became undroppable. Yes he has the speed that Mourinho wants out wide but as he said himself, he has struggled to make use of that and really get in behind the midfield to unlock the game. He's just been in very poor form in general under Mourinho.

I see a place for Mata there still, could be mind games to show Mata that he needs to work and adjust to his tactics - bit extreme but could be effective.

I understand managers want more confidentiality but I'd like to see more interviews like this from other PL managers aswell. Really nice of Mourinho to go on depth like this.

urbaNRoots wrote:I understand managers want more confidentiality but I'd like to see more interviews like this from other PL managers aswell. Really nice of Mourinho to go on depth like this.

Yes me too. I'd like to hear Wenger about his tactis for instance.

The manager might explain all that to the players but us fans would like to know about it too.

PS : Worst manager in that area i've ever seen is Raymond domenech , even his players didn't know what he had in mind.

sportsczy wrote:Mikel was a AM when he came to Chelsea and Mou ruined him by trying to make him a DM lol... Mikel doesn't know what he is anymore.  On NT, he's the creator, which is more natural for him.

Mata is in no way soft.  He's the exact clone of Silva and Cazorla except he's better than those two imo.  He's just a small guy who has to attack you with skill and finesse... nothing wrong with that.

Mata-Hazard had really developed a great understanding of each other... too bad really.

Mata is an exceptional talent, and my favourite non-City league player, but no way is Mata better than Silva. Mata has NEVER the level showed the performances that Silva has.

A small number of people have said Silva is not performing he was during the title winning season.
It's a bit of myth. Silva was just SO SO GOOD during his best form, that even some of his best performances will not top what he did that year. For that first half of the season, you could say he was 3rd best in the world. Last season, which was supposedly bad by Silva's standards (again not true if you look at the stats), Silva had the 2nd highest chance creation total after Baines, and the HIGHEST minute per chance creation rate. And this is despite playing with Nasri who tends to get in his way. Silva would have been even better if he was the sole #10 like Mata.

Just look at this play at 2:06...or even the pass at 1:30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0BcL-qlNQk

Mata is better than Silva at: Shooting & Set pieces.
Silva is better than Mata at: Chance creation & MCC, passing/vision, first touch, turning on players with the ball, dribbling, workrate, and defending.

Some of those categories are closer than others, but for me Silva is more refined than Mata, but there's not a huge gulf.

A game of opinions, eh?

The Franchise wrote:Your not ready to ask Oscar to track fullbacks? Why not? He's very capable.

It makes sense to me. A Mourinho team will always have two inverted wingers.

On the left, Hazard will play.

On the right, Oscar would not fit in with the philosophy and advantages an inverted winger can bring as he's right footed. So he'll play centrally where he works much harder than Mata to help the team, but also brings the technical side of the game too.

I think Mourinho wants to convert Mata into an inverted winger like Robben. Although he's slow, Mata is good enough to get onto his strong foot and either shoot or pass from that position.

Reason I think Mata is not playing is because he would be a risk playing on the flank until he adapts to the new system. I don't think Mata will be frozen out for too long...but for right now he's too lazy of a player to play on the right flank and he would leave it exposed.

I don't see why Mata couldn't adapt. Silva for instance, a similar player plays sometimes as an inverted winger for Spain, and he tracks back well, and can still make super passes in that position when he turns comes in on his left foot.

I believe Mata is in Mourinho's long term vision, but he is just not ready yet. I predict in the future, Mourinho will field this midfield more often than not:
Hazard--Oscar--Mata

Gemini wrote:Oscar does have the potential to be the best player he's ever managed at Chelsea so wanting to build the side around him is very reasonable in my opinion...

What I don't get is why Hazard suddenly became undroppable. Yes he has the speed that Mourinho wants out wide but as he said himself, he has struggled to make use of that and really get in behind the midfield to unlock the game. He's just been in very poor form in general under Mourinho.

I see a place for Mata there still, could be mind games to show Mata that he needs to work and adjust to his tactics - bit extreme but could be effective.

Agreed

The battle should be between Hazard and Willian IMO

animal.crackers wrote:

sportsczy wrote:Mikel was a AM when he came to Chelsea and Mou ruined him by trying to make him a DM lol... Mikel doesn't know what he is anymore.  On NT, he's the creator, which is more natural for him.

Mata is in no way soft.  He's the exact clone of Silva and Cazorla except he's better than those two imo.  He's just a small guy who has to attack you with skill and finesse... nothing wrong with that.

Mata-Hazard had really developed a great understanding of each other... too bad really.

Mata is an exceptional talent, and my favourite non-City league player, but no way is Mata better than Silva. Mata has NEVER the level showed the performances that Silva has.
Where was Silva when Mata was in the discussion for best in the league last season along with Bale, Suarez & RvP?

A small number of people have said Silva is not performing he was during the title winning season.
It's a bit of myth. Silva was just SO SO GOOD during his best form, that even some of his best performances will not top what he did that year. For that first half of the season, you could say he was 3rd best in the world. Last season, which was supposedly bad by Silva's standards (again not true if you look at the stats), Silva had the 2nd highest chance creation total after Baines, and the HIGHEST minute per chance creation rate. And this is despite playing with Nasri who tends to get in his way. Silva would have been even better if he was the sole #10 like Mata.

As opposed to Mata who had BOTH Oscar AND Hazard getting in his way?


Mata is better than Silva at: Shooting, Set pieces
Silva is better than Mata at: Chance creation & MCC, passing/vision, first touch, turning on players with the ball, dribbling, workrate, and defending.

Some of those categories are closer than others, but for me Silva is more refined than Mata, but there's not a huge gulf.

A game of opinions, eh?

Tie.


Tie.


You really didn't watch Mata last season, did you?


I fully agree with workrate and defending. I haven't taken note of Silva's defensive game enough to give a solid opinion but from the little I've noticed, he's miles ahead of Mata in that area, which frankly, isn't exactly a difficult feat. I'd argue that even Ozil has a better workrate and defensive game than Mata. He's just one of the worst when it comes to that.


Apart from those two, there really isn't one clear cut thing you can mention for Silva over Mata but those two things are more than enough to keep benching Mata in the NT.

And for saying Mata will adapt, I really don't see how he will. Its one thing for a player like Hazard to adapt, simply because he's a really good athlete and he has it in him to have a good defensive game. Mata just isn't that good an athlete, tbh. I'm afraid no matter how hard he tries, his defensive game may never be good enough for Mou's standards. I'll be very happy to be proven wrong though. We'll see.

animal.crackers wrote:

The Franchise wrote:Your not ready to ask Oscar to track fullbacks? Why not? He's very capable.

It makes sense to me. A Mourinho team will always have two inverted wingers.

On the left, Hazard will play.

On the right, Oscar would not fit in with the philosophy and advantages an inverted winger can bring as he's right footed. So he'll play centrally where he works much harder than Mata to help the team, but also brings the technical side of the game too.

I think Mourinho wants to convert Mata into an inverted winger like Robben. Although he's slow, Mata is good enough to get onto his strong foot and either shoot or pass from that position.

Reason I think Mata is not playing is because he would be a risk playing on the flank until he adapts to the new system. I don't think Mata will be frozen out for too long...but for right now he's too lazy of a player to play on the right flank and he would leave it exposed.

I don't see why Mata couldn't adapt. Silva for instance, a similar player plays sometimes as an inverted winger for Spain, and he tracks back well, and can still make super passes in that position when he turns comes in on his left foot.

I believe Mata is in Mourinho's long term vision, but he is just not ready yet. I predict in the future, Mourinho will field this midfield more often than not:
Hazard--Oscar--Mata

Inverted wingers? Do you mean wingers who will come inside or wingers who play on the oppose side of their strong foot, because they are two different things.

And why is it part of every Mourinho team? (It actually wasnt a Porto, but never mind). I would like to hear why its so important? Epecially on the rightside, where he is using Ivanovic, someone who you dont really want to see overlapping anyway.

I'd love to know when this fascination/obsession of wanting attacking players to track back and defend started

Im thinking, if your "system" says that last seasons best player, who was good 20 goals and 20 assists isnt going to start, you might want to rethink your "system".

But hey, maybe defensive stability on the wings vs Hull at home is more important.

The Franchise wrote:

animal.crackers wrote:

The Franchise wrote:Your not ready to ask Oscar to track fullbacks? Why not? He's very capable.

It makes sense to me. A Mourinho team will always have two inverted wingers.

On the left, Hazard will play.

On the right, Oscar would not fit in with the philosophy and advantages an inverted winger can bring as he's right footed. So he'll play centrally where he works much harder than Mata to help the team, but also brings the technical side of the game too.

I think Mourinho wants to convert Mata into an inverted winger like Robben. Although he's slow, Mata is good enough to get onto his strong foot and either shoot or pass from that position.

Reason I think Mata is not playing is because he would be a risk playing on the flank until he adapts to the new system. I don't think Mata will be frozen out for too long...but for right now he's too lazy of a player to play on the right flank and he would leave it exposed.

I don't see why Mata couldn't adapt. Silva for instance, a similar player plays sometimes as an inverted winger for Spain, and he tracks back well, and can still make super passes in that position when he turns comes in on his left foot.

I believe Mata is in Mourinho's long term vision, but he is just not ready yet. I predict in the future, Mourinho will field this midfield more often than not:
Hazard--Oscar--Mata

Inverted wingers? Do you mean wingers who will come inside or wingers who play on the oppose side of their strong foot, because they are two different things.

And why is it part of every Mourinho team? (It actually wasnt a Porto, but never mind). I would like to hear why its so important? Epecially on the rightside, where he is using Ivanovic, someone who you dont really want to see overlapping anyway.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11668/8844746/jose-mourinho-reiterates-juan-mata-is-in-his-plans-and-hints-at-a-new-role

Mourinho in this article a little mentions why he would like a left-footed player on the right. You're right though he doesn't mention doing it with any Porto players. Perhaps something he decided to do post Porto.

Lex wrote:I'd love to know when this fascination/obsession of wanting attacking players to track back and defend started

I get the general sentiment...but it's really not necessary every single game.

The Franchise wrote:Im thinking, if your "system" says that last seasons best player, who was good 20 goals and 20 assists isnt going to start, you might want to rethink your "system".

But hey, maybe defensive stability on the wings vs Hull at home is more important.

Bingo. Couldn't agree more.

And hell, it's not like Mourinho has proven that Mata isn't needed and his hard work > creativity stance so far has gotten him...

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Nothing.

According to RMC correspondents Philippe Auclair and (i forgot the name of their correspondent in italy), Benitez is already working on bringing Mata to Napoli.

If we were to sell him, you can be assured he won't be sold for anything less than £60m.