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Post by AltoZ Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:06 pm

Who's better?(or was better).

2 DM's. They look similar. Tall guys, with brilliant technique.
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Post by The Franchise Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:11 pm

Viera wasnt a DM.

He was also better.
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Post by jibers Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:18 pm

Viera was not a dm and was more dynamic.
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Post by juventus101 Wed Jul 31, 2013 2:48 pm

Vieira was definitely better.

Funny thing is, two years ago or even one I bet people would've tried to say Busquets is better. I hope people have finally come to their senses and realize that hes average for a big club (a bit above average in general), but really nothing special.

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Post by BORUSSIA!! Wed Jul 31, 2013 3:11 pm

Viera is better but Busquets is not average, he's a world class player.

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Post by vegfootball Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:11 pm

love a conversation about a defensive midfielder's as more than one type, & people use say well this club does not play with a defensive midfielder'
this how see the type of defensive midfielder's

deep technique playmaker use more they brain than physical side

sit in front of back 4 use more pace, power,physical side then use brain

mobile destroyer, get from box to box, use power pace,,physical & win the ball as fast as he can get to the attacking players

if look for like for like

Viera vs Yaya Touré

Alonso vs Busquets

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Post by jibers Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:28 pm

Alonso is better at distributing the ball but is a horrible defender. He is absolutely terrible and makes a shocking tackle every game because he gets turned. Busquets is far better at anticipating danger and is better defensively as well. Bad comparison.

More like Alonso vs Pirlo, but Pirlo is better at everything.
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Post by vegfootball Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:55 pm

jibers wrote:Alonso is better at distributing the ball but is a horrible defender. He is absolutely terrible and makes a shocking tackle every game because he gets turned. Busquets is far better at anticipating danger and is better defensively as well. Bad comparison.

More like Alonso vs Pirlo, but Pirlo is better at everything.

In my opinion, Alonso use his brain more i.e read of game get in position before any danger, that why he does not look doing a defending, also you say Alonso a poor defensive midfield player when Liverpool sold him are defend's look so poor
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Post by jibers Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:59 pm

vegfootball wrote:
jibers wrote:Alonso is better at distributing the ball but is a horrible defender. He is absolutely terrible and makes a shocking tackle every game because he gets turned. Busquets is far better at anticipating danger and is better defensively as well. Bad comparison.

More like Alonso vs Pirlo, but Pirlo is better at everything.

In my opinion, Alonso use his  brain more i.e read of game get in position before any danger, that why he does not look doing a defending, also you say Alonso a poor defensive midfield player when Liverpool sold him are defend's look so poor

Nope, that would be busquets, Busquets intercepts far more and tackles neater, Alonso always foul and his defensive decisions are shockig.
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Post by vegfootball Fri Aug 02, 2013 1:14 pm

jibers wrote:
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jibers wrote:Alonso is better at distributing the ball but is a horrible defender. He is absolutely terrible and makes a shocking tackle every game because he gets turned. Busquets is far better at anticipating danger and is better defensively as well. Bad comparison.

More like Alonso vs Pirlo, but Pirlo is better at everything.

In my opinion, Alonso use his  brain more i.e read of game get in position before any danger, that why he does not look doing a defending, also you say Alonso a poor defensive midfield player when Liverpool sold him are defend's look so poor

Nope, that would be busquets, Busquets intercepts far more and tackles neater, Alonso always foul and his defensive decisions are shockig.

I respect what you are say & your opinion, i just did not see any what say about Alonso in a Red shirt,
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Post by harhar11 Fri Aug 02, 2013 2:44 pm

If Alonso was so great at defending, then how come he always needed a destroyer by his side?

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Post by vegfootball Fri Aug 02, 2013 3:21 pm

harhar11 wrote:If Alonso was so great at defending, then how come he always needed a destroyer by his side?

well at Liverpool,

Alonso would sit in front of back 4, beak any attack, & cover the full backs,

Mascherano played in front of Alonso as mobile destroyer, get ball as fast to Gerrard & co

as for Real Sociedad i don't the role he player there

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Post by vegfootball Fri Aug 02, 2013 3:54 pm

as for people say there opinion that Alonso is poor at defending


win a FA Cup,FA Community Shield,UEFA Champions League,La Liga,Copa del Rey ,Supercopa de España,
World Cup,UEFA European Championship

don't think managers would pick a player to play Defensive midfielder role if they thought he could not defend

but hey that people opinion & know right or wrong just we have are own opinion's

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Post by harhar11 Fri Aug 02, 2013 4:37 pm

But that's the thing though, he isn't a true DM and because of that he has always needed a true destroyer by his side to help him out...

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Post by LeBéninois Fri Aug 02, 2013 5:13 pm

Viera was a better player imo
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Post by Doc Fri Aug 02, 2013 6:03 pm

Viera was not a DM? Really? Sigh, that certainly changes things for me. Truthfully, he was in the same mold as the likes of Mauro Silva: A midfield pivot (I think).

But yeah, Viera was the better footballer. No shame in that.
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Post by RealGunner Fri Aug 02, 2013 6:08 pm

Viera was much much more than a DM. One of the most complete players i have ever seen.
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Post by LeBéninois Fri Aug 02, 2013 6:43 pm

RealGunner wrote:Viera was much much more than a DM. One of the most complete players i have ever seen.

That's why i was so upset we didn't try out to get Yaya Touré some years ago . He wanted to join Kolo at Arsenal
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Post by Hawky Fri Aug 02, 2013 6:48 pm

I think Busquets is great and his anticipation, tackling and passing skills played a major part in Spain's and Barcelona's success, but Vieira was better - great defensive skills, good dribbling, better vision, great header of the ball, decent shot.
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Post by Tomwin Lannister Fri Aug 02, 2013 7:13 pm

vegfootball wrote:
harhar11 wrote:If Alonso was so great at defending, then how come he always needed a destroyer by his side?

well at Liverpool,

Alonso would sit in front of back 4, beak any attack, & cover the full backs,

Mascherano played in front of Alonso  as mobile destroyer, get ball as fast to Gerrard & co

as for Real Sociedad i don't the role he player there



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Post by The Franchise Fri Aug 02, 2013 8:10 pm

Doc wrote:Viera was not a DM? Really? Sigh, that certainly changes things for me. Truthfully, he was in the same mold as the likes of Mauro Silva: A midfield pivot (I think).

But yeah, Viera was the better footballer. No shame in that.

His best 3 partners in midfield where Petit, Gilberto and Makelele. Actual holding players which allowed Viera the freedom his talent demanded.
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Post by Doc Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:08 pm

The Franchise wrote:His best 3 partners in midfield where Petit, Gilberto and Makelele. Actual holding players which allowed Viera the freedom his talent demanded.

Yeah I remember his midfield partners. Just had a false impression of his actual position with what one would see on a team sheet. My bad...
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Post by The Franchise Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:24 pm

Hardly your fault IMO.

All those years in England for Vieira where the viewers get zero insight into tactics from commentary and even punditry, pre Andy Grey.
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Post by Lex Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:29 pm

Vieira was a box-to-box player, epic in attack and a tank in defence
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Post by The Franchise Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:34 pm

I know Arsenal guys probably dont forgive him for the City defection but still



Dat tackle on :59 :bow:

Probably a red in todays game...which saddens me

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