Re: So what players do you rate as "world class players"?

by Valkyrja Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:10 pm

Rossoneri Ninja wrote:Alonso has been the pinnacle of the distributing midfielder for 5+ years, maintaining incredible consistency in performance for club and country.

Busquets, the most technically gifted anchor in the world, perhaps the most tactically astute Dm in the world also, and like Alonso has a high lvl of consistent performances for several years now for club and country.

Fabregas, most devastating midfielder in terms of efficacy whether it be assisting or scoring. He has done so consistently for many years.

Overwhelming talent + consistency ( years) + high level of play = WC

Cesc has been everything but WC in the last 2 years. Alonso was good until the last season, I've never considered Busquets world-class but that's my pure opinion.

by Pedram Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:55 pm

jibers wrote:World class is irrelevant. If you do your duty you are fine, Couldn't care less of some arbitrary labeling system by internet tacticians.

by Rossoneri Ninja Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:20 pm

jibers wrote:World class is irrelevant. If you do your duty you are fine, Couldn't care less of some arbitrary labeling system by internet tacticians.

No topic concerning football is deemed irrelevant on a "football" forum

by jibers Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:31 pm

Rossoneri Ninja wrote:
jibers wrote:World class is irrelevant. If you do your duty you are fine, Couldn't care less of some arbitrary labeling system by internet tacticians.

No topic concerning football is deemed irrelevant on a "football" forum

You are within your right to say that as I am within my right to say mine. I just don't think this WC thing holds any water. It holds no meaning for me.

by Blue Barrett Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:36 pm

jibers wrote:World class is irrelevant. If you do your duty you are fine, Couldn't care less of some arbitrary labeling system by internet tacticians.

Its not something generated by "internet tacticians", its very common in football to use that terms. Pundits, commentators, coaches & even players use that term. Everyone uses that term in football. Its an internet football forum and we're discussing matters relating to football. You're not making sense with that. You don't ALWAYS have to try so hard to be THE contrarian. Don't even know what you're on about.

by Blue Barrett Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:39 pm

Yohan Modric wrote:I don't think there's certain rules/facts that should be followed in order to determine whether a player is WC or not. It's subjective.

By your previous theory you'd call Quaresma world class? He did have world class talent and he did have a few brilliant matches. Is he world class to you?

by M99 Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:39 pm

GK: Casillas, Buffon, Handanovic, Neuer, Cech, Cesar

CB: Thiago Silva, Vidic, Barzagli, Chiellini, Kompany

FB: Lahm , Dani Alves, Alaba

DM/CM: Busquets , De Rossi, Xavi, Schweinsteiger , Iniesta, Pirlo, Gundogan, Vidal

AM/WF: Mata, Silva, Ozil, Hamsik, Ronaldo , Robben , Ribery, Bale

SS/CF: Rooney , Aguero , Suarez, Ibrahimovic, Cavani , Messi , Falcao , Van Persie, Rooney, Lewandowski

by Onyx Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:06 pm

Blue Barrett wrote:
Yohan Modric wrote:I don't think there's certain rules/facts that should be followed in order to determine whether a player is WC or not. It's subjective.
By your previous theory you'd call Quaresma world class? He did have world class talent and he did have a few brilliant matches. Is he world class to you?

The WC ability has to be consistent. The player can't be called WC if he's WC for a bit and then declines.

by Valkyrja Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:12 pm

Yohan Modric wrote:
Blue Barrett wrote:
Yohan Modric wrote:I don't think there's certain rules/facts that should be followed in order to determine whether a player is WC or not. It's subjective.
By your previous theory you'd call Quaresma world class? He did have world class talent and he did have a few brilliant matches. Is he world class to you?

The WC ability has to be consistent. The player can't be called WC if he's WC for a bit and then declines.

WC for a bit doesn't exist man

by TheRedStag Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:15 am

Being harsh before kind:

GK: Buffon, Neuer

CB: Thiago Silva, Chiellini, Kompany

FB: Lahm , Dani Alves, Alaba

DM/CM: Busquets, Xavi, Iniesta, Pirlo, Vidal

AM/WF: Mata, Ribery, Bale, Reus, Gotze

SS/CF: Suarez, Ibrahimovic, Cavani , Messi , Falcao , Van Persie, Lewandowski

by Valkyrja Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:37 am

WC 2014 will cement many players as world-class, especially the 91-93 generations IMO

by Blue Barrett Wed Jul 31, 2013 7:51 am

TheRedStag wrote:Being harsh before kind:

GK: Buffon, Neuer

CB: Thiago Silva, Chiellini, Kompany

FB: Lahm , Dani Alves, Alaba

DM/CM: Busquets, Xavi, Iniesta, Pirlo, Vidal

AM/WF: Mata, Ribery, Bale, Reus, Gotze

SS/CF: Suarez, Ibrahimovic, Cavani , Messi , Falcao , Van Persie, Lewandowski

So Kompany is better than say Barzaghli in your book?

by TheRedStag Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:33 pm

I've never heard of "Barzaghli" :coffee:

by Blue Barrett Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:45 pm

Barzagli. FFS just answer Laughing

by TheRedStag Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:49 pm

I think they are of similar quality. I had Chiellini in already and none from PL so I put him in.

Do you rate Alba higher than Alaba?

Cazorla higher than Kroos?

Alonso higher than Busquets?

by TheRedStag Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:26 am

Blue Barrett wrote:Barzagli. FFS just answer

?

You were so anxious for me to answer your question and then you stay on for hours afterwards and don't answer yourself?

Awkward.

by Red Alert Thu Aug 01, 2013 4:43 am

Where's Ronaldo IC?

by TheRedStag Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:43 pm

something-red wrote:Where's Ronaldo IC?

I'm not a fan of Ronaldo.

by Blue Barrett Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:46 pm

TheRedStag wrote:
Blue Barrett wrote:Barzagli. FFS just answer
?

You were so anxious for me to answer your question and then you stay on for hours afterwards and don't answer yourself?

Awkward.

I'm always logged on and my computer is almost always on. Doesn't mean I'm around or I'm on the site that often.

by Blue Barrett Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:47 pm

TheRedStag wrote:I think they are of similar quality. I had Chiellini in already and none from PL so I put him in.

Do you rate Alba higher than Alaba?

Cazorla higher than Kroos?

Alonso higher than Busquets?

And no, I don't rate Alba higher than Alaba. Just forgot to mention Alaba.

Cazorla and Kroos are two different players imo. Not fair to make a direct comparison.

by TheRedStag Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:54 pm

Nah they're not that different. A comparison is fair.

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