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Post by nasir6371 Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:57 am

Data received by BBC Sport shows that just 35 English under-21 players featured in the Premier League last season, the lowest since 2005.

Since then, the use of under-21 players in the top division has fallen from the highest of the big five European leagues at 10.33% to the lowest of the big five, at 4.45%. Manchester City, Chelsea, Swansea, Stoke and Wigan failed to field an English under-21 player all season while Arsenal played the highest percentage of English youngsters.

Could be reason the why England NT future looking so grime. The FA need to allow for the reserve teams to play in the lower divisions like in Spain.

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Post by NiallQuinnsdiscoPants Wed Jun 05, 2013 10:28 am

An then we end up with an uncompetitive amateur league system like Spain.

League system is fine. Massive changes have already been made to the academy systems, just need to give them time so the results filer through.
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Post by Kick Wed Jun 05, 2013 10:40 am

Chelsea have a few English youngsters who will be future first teamers IMO.

Chalobah being the crown jewel, he was a key part of Watford last season and I very much expect him to play in the EPL next season.
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Post by ExtremistEnigma Wed Jun 05, 2013 2:08 pm

Kick wrote:Chelsea have a few English youngsters who will be future first teamers IMO.

Chalobah being the crown jewel, he was a key part of Watford last season and I very much expect him to play in the EPL next season.
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Post by LeBéninois Wed Jun 05, 2013 3:37 pm

ExtremistEnigma wrote:
Kick wrote:Chelsea have a few English youngsters who will be future first teamers IMO.

Chalobah being the crown jewel, he was a key part of Watford last season and I very much expect him to play in the EPL next season.
rofl

My exact reaction. unless by '' future '' you means 4 or 5 years ?

If i was a Chelsea yougster i'd be worried as all the places are filled up.



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Post by Highburied Wed Jun 05, 2013 3:41 pm

ExtremistEnigma wrote:
Kick wrote:Chelsea have a few English youngsters who will be future first teamers IMO.

Chalobah being the crown jewel, he was a key part of Watford last season and I very much expect him to play in the EPL next season.
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Post by RealGunner Wed Jun 05, 2013 5:25 pm

Kick is right. Chelsea have one of the best youth team in the world.

However they will most likely be the 1st team players for other clubs rather than Chelsea.
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Post by Adit Wed Jun 05, 2013 5:29 pm

RealGunner wrote:Kick is right. Chelsea have one of the best youth team in the world.

However they will most likely be the 1st team players for other clubs rather than Chelsea.

Do you mean that Chelsea produce best youths in England or are you counting the players like De bruyne,wesly bruma, Kurtois,Kalas...etc who they brought from great academies over the world.? I dont even think the later players should be considered as chelsea youth.
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Post by Gil Wed Jun 05, 2013 5:32 pm

You do know those lower League clubs have decades of history and incredible support behind them right?

And although Kick is being incredibly naive. Our academy is arguably the best in the World at the moment but most of those kids will be playing for Top Clubs elsewhere not Chelsea.
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Post by RealGunner Wed Jun 05, 2013 5:33 pm

Adit wrote:
RealGunner wrote:Kick is right. Chelsea have one of the best youth team in the world.

However they will most likely be the 1st team players for other clubs rather than Chelsea.

Do you mean that Chelsea produce best youths in England or are you counting the players like De bruyne,wesly bruma, Kurtois,Kalas...etc who they brought from great academies over the world.? I dont even think the later players should be considered as chelsea youth.

Nah, i meant those players who made it to the Next Gen final.
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Post by VendettaRed07 Wed Jun 05, 2013 5:34 pm

Dat english percentage needs to get even higher, Roonay, gtfi :bow:
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:23 pm

Nothing to do it, most of the youngsters are not good enough and just overhyped trash.

If they were good enough they would make it a big club but they don't because they are meh.

A lot of it is due to the lack of quality coaches at grass root levels but meh.
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Post by Juveman17 Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:47 pm

Truth is England just doesent have the talent pool that Italy Spain and Germany have
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Post by RealGunner Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:48 pm

juveman17 wrote:Truth is England just doesent have the talent pool that Italy Spain and Germany have

No way?
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Post by BAYERN_MUNICH Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:55 pm

juveman17 wrote:Truth is England just doesent have the talent pool that Italy Spain and Germany have
Italy?
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Post by TalkingReckless Wed Jun 05, 2013 8:14 pm

juveman17 wrote:Truth is England just doesent have the talent pool that Italy Spain and Germany have

Italy???

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/67977000/png/_67977387_england-u21_mins-played-bycountry.png
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Post by Eivindo Wed Jun 05, 2013 8:22 pm

Legend wrote:
juveman17 wrote:Truth is England just doesent have the talent pool that Italy Spain and Germany have

Italy???

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/67977000/png/_67977387_england-u21_mins-played-bycountry.png

Just means it is very hard to break through as a young player in Italy.
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Post by Casciavit Wed Jun 05, 2013 8:27 pm

Italy does have a great talent pool.

Verrati, De Sciglio, Santon, Balo, SES, Insigne, Florenzi, Perin, Destro, Borini, Poli, Leali, and Saponara.

These are some of the great young players that have come from Italy over the past 2-3 years. Bar Balo.
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Post by Art Morte Wed Jun 05, 2013 8:35 pm

Well, I usspose... the f**k? Suppose that this is the downside of having the richest league in the world, it's easier to buy better players rather than throw your youngsters on and let them develop.
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Post by Suarez99 Wed Jun 05, 2013 8:47 pm

NiallQuinnsdiscoPants wrote:An then we end up with an uncompetitive amateur league system like Spain.

League system is fine. Massive changes have already been made to the academy systems, just need to give them time so the results filer through.

This is what i've been hearing for many years now.

The old "eventually it will come good" statement
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Post by Eivindo Wed Jun 05, 2013 8:55 pm

Seems like Catenaccio is the future for England. Very Happy
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Post by Juveman17 Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:07 pm

Lol if you think England have a better talent pool then you are crazy
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Post by CBarca Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:09 pm

Tom Carroll future England legend got time with Tottenham this season.

Hope he's played more consistently next year or loaned out for consistent time. Future star of England.
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Post by NiallQuinnsdiscoPants Wed Jun 05, 2013 10:29 pm

Suarez99 wrote:
NiallQuinnsdiscoPants wrote:An then we end up with an uncompetitive amateur league system like Spain.

League system is fine. Massive changes have already been made to the academy systems, just need to give them time so the results filer through.

This is what i've been hearing for many years now.

The old "eventually it will come good" statement

Dunno how considering the new system was only implemented this season.

Its not just changes to the actual reserve leagues they have made, its the way the academies function and work.

One of the biggest things was getting rid of the stupid 90 minute rule, where they drew a circle around the location of the academy and said you cant sign players from outside this area. In Sunderland's case it meant 70% of our recruitment area was the north sea.

With the academy category ratings teams have more of a responsibility to produce talent or they will be downgraded and lose out financially as well as losing out on players to other clubs.

The whole thing was very amateurish compared to other countries, but EEEP brings a much higher level of professionalism & standardization.
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Post by 1991 Wed Jun 05, 2013 11:37 pm

English league system is fine, championship is bigger than ligue 1 Laughing
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