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Post by Zealous Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:03 pm

They don't need to say anything though. Not when the media and the loyal cult followers have been doing a great job protecting them from responsibility and accountability.


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Post by Clandestino Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:28 pm

@Zealous wrote:They don't need to say anything though. Not when the media and the loyal cult followers have been doing a great job protecting them from responsibility and accountability.


Forget Sporty, he's just talking out of his ass, as usual.

Fact is you'll have a hard time finding a lot of Mou's ex-players speaking ill of him. People - not very smart people - attribute this to everyone else being professional and Mou being the bad guy but everyone knows or at least should know that the Mou in front of the press is completely different than the Mou in front of players, it's been reported many times.

If he was universally hated by his players he'd never have achieved what he has, although it is likely that his high tension coaching doesn't work for longer time periods. But why would he care about that - he is obviously a bit of a drifter and he can get a new job any time and almost any where he likes. Hell, with him being only 50 there is even a small possibility he might return here one day.
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Post by Doc Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:29 pm

Not much players can take any high road this season. I assume you're not hearing from many players because they are unavailable for comment. As always, Sport goes on a tandem when he is on that beat...
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Post by Vibe Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:31 pm

The secret behind Inter's success was that absolutely everyone was behind Mou 100%.The board,the players,the fans...Even the ones who didn't like it did their part with maximum effort.At Real you could hear about players bitching on a weekly basis.Some Real players are divas and bitches,let't be honest here...

Do you think Eto'o liked being a wing back?Hell no...But he worked hard and became the best wing back.Only Balotelli couldn't keep his shit together and sat on the bench for most important games of his career because a 10 times less talented Pandev played instead.Why?Cause Pandev kept his head down and mouth shut,did what he was being told to by a man who knows how football is played and how games are won.

Self managed players don't work in modern football,they could work before but not now because tactically the game has evolved and every players effort counts no matter how far down the field he is or how offensively orientated.
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Post by Doc Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:34 pm

That was the season where we won La Liga Vibe. Everyone was behind Mourinho even Iker. This season, egos just couldn't be bothered about the cause.
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Post by sportsczy Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:37 pm

Hmmmm. So i guess, Ramos, Pepe, CR7, Iker, etc. are all unavailable for comment and are just being evasive. I guess Iker and Ramos both staying complimentary of Mou is nothing worth noting.

Yet Mou and co. can say whatever they want and they're always right. Gotcha.

Hear Arbeloa is on the sales block and Chelsea are after him though hmm
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Post by sportsczy Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:38 pm

Yeah... Mou's ego go in the way doc. And his lies came home to roost when last year, he was semi-believable so all the players gave him the benefit of the doubt.
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Post by Clandestino Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:55 pm

@Doc wrote:That was the season where we won La Liga Vibe. Everyone was behind Mourinho even Iker. This season, egos just couldn't be bothered about the cause.

Agreed. He got the players fired up after the first season in charge, but they were just unable to be arsed the second time coming. If the guys aren't willing to fight for you, then it's best you leave.
However, I do feel the majority of the players are genuinely sad Mou left, which is obvious from their statements to the press. On the other hand you can believe what Sporty is saying - he's got plenty of... nothing to back it up.

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Post by Zealous Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:41 pm

@Vibe wrote:The secret behind Inter's success was that absolutely everyone was behind Mou 100%.The board,the players,the fans...Even the ones who didn't like it did their part with maximum effort.At Real you could hear about players bitching on a weekly basis.Some Real players are divas and bitches,let't be honest here...

Do you think Eto'o liked being a wing back?Hell no...But he worked hard and became the best wing back.Only Balotelli couldn't keep his shit together and sat on the bench for most important games of his career because a 10 times less talented Pandev played instead.Why?Cause Pandev kept his head down and mouth shut,did what he was being told to by a man who knows how football is played and how games are won.

Self managed players don't work in modern football,they could work before but not now because tactically the game has evolved and every players effort counts no matter how far down the field he is or how offensively orientated.

Harsh but I agree.
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Post by Mr Nick09 Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:47 pm

As much as i agree with Vibe, i would also say that it's the manager's job to get his message across and to get every single piece of effort from his players on a daily basis. Our locker room is just harder to manage than any, and we have no prima donna or diva at the level of balotelli. PLayers will bear some of the fault, but so does the manager because he failed at his job. He dealt with the locker room by antagonizing people, which led to a very bad situation at the end. When he arrived in madrid, everyone got behind him, we wouldnt have won last year if that wasnt the case. it just all went to crap because the things that he did to get people around him were not sustainable.
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Post by Zealous Thu Jun 06, 2013 5:16 pm

I also agree with Nick, while the players do have a responsibility to the coach it's pretty obvious Mou made this harder than it needed to be.

Having said that these are guys that are paid millions to play competitive football. You expect them to have thick skin and be able to listen to the coach regardless of being happy or not.
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Post by Mr Nick09 Thu Jun 06, 2013 5:28 pm

All and all, what's really bad right now is Arbeloa coming in the press and making those comments. just as mourinho agreeing to make that interview with punto pelota knowing full well it was a way for him to have the last word while he was gone in london already. It's terrible behavior regardless of the validity of those statements and i hope Arbeloa gets told off by the club.
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Post by Zealous Thu Jun 06, 2013 5:34 pm

What? I agree Mou's interview was petty but Arbeloa's comments were totally fine imo. We didn't punish Cris for his I'm sad bullsh*t so why the fck would we punish Arbeloa for manning up and saying that we haven't been good enough as a team him included?

I seriously don't get you guys, Arbeloa's comments aren't pro-Mou so much as they are pro-professionalism and pro-adulthood.
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Post by FennecFox7 Thu Jun 06, 2013 11:28 pm

Really disappointed in how some of you view arbeloa...

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Post by FalcaoPunch Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:36 am

Ain't nothing wrong with what Arbeloa said.
I'm glad he's come out and said something and we can all bet more information will come out over time.
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Post by Pedram Fri Jun 07, 2013 10:23 am

Giggity5313 wrote:Really disappointed in how some of you view arbeloa...


It's the way it is, in football people judge you based on your performance. sad truth.
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Post by sportsczy Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:25 pm

I think everyone needs to shut it. I don't care which side they're on. The Mou era is over and there's no need to play the blame game because it serves absolutely no purpose. If there's dirty laundry, deal with it in-house.
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Post by SuperMAG Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:39 pm

completely agree with sportsczy, no need for arbeloa to talk now.

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Post by huntsman Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:42 pm

@SuperMAG wrote:completely agree with sportsczy, no need for arbeloa to talk now.

If not now then when?
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Post by CBarca Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:50 pm

Never?

It doesn't need to be talked about.

Move on and start something new. Stop dealing with the petulant child Mou is because he's going to want to get the last word no matter what you do.

What Arbeloa SAID is fine. The fact that he said it...is ok too, but it's probably best that all players, Arbeloa included, move on and have a look at next season. Not the circus that your last season was.
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Post by FennecFox7 Fri Jun 07, 2013 2:58 pm

@CBarca wrote:Never?

It doesn't need to be talked about.

Move on and start something new. Stop dealing with the petulant child Mou is because he's going to want to get the last word no matter what you do.

What Arbeloa SAID is fine. The fact that he said it...is ok too, but it's probably best that all players, Arbeloa included, move on and have a look at next season. Not the circus that your last season was.

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100% agreed
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Post by Mamad Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:01 pm

Just found this :

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Is it real or fake?
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Post by Mr Nick09 Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:04 pm

its real, forgot mou worked for barca for years? he turned against them because they denied him the job to hire guardiola. why do you think he resent him?
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Post by Mamad Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:11 pm

I knew he worked for Barca but his comments :facepalm:
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Post by sportsczy Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:35 pm

http://futbol.as.com/futbol/2013/06/07/seleccion/1370607301_125907.html

Albiol interview on AS. People need to read this.

On Iker and Arbeloa: "Their relationship has been getting colder, but you to say it is bad, no. As a teammate of both and because i like them both, i would like it to improve."

On Mou: "He's gone now. It was a problem for everyone."


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Post by Mr Nick09 Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:42 pm

Arbeloa has started looking for a new job yet?
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