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Post by aleumdance Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:26 pm

HOpe this opens the eyes of the blinded ( wenger apologists, U-19 Barca fanboys)

Barca had the areses handed to them despite having 66% ball posession, a.k.a doing nothing the the ball just taking a walk along der Bayern midfield
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Post by OLpower Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:29 pm

This is the moment where attacking football send Tiki Taka to the retirement home.
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Post by Tomwin Lannister Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:30 pm

I have said for a long time that people put to much emphasis on the possession stat to the point where even after you lose, people point out that the losing team had more possession and "Didn't deserve to be defeated"

That has annoyed me for years.

This game doesn't change much, Barcelona look to control possession and hey, it's worked wonders for them so that's fine. But people need to admitt that because you have more of the ball and get defeated, it does not mean they 'dominated'

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Post by FalcaoPunch Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:30 pm

Not really, but it's fundamental for certain team (Spain,Barca) which has led them to much success over the past few years. But just as any other style of play there is also a counter for them.

Its just alot of people associate possession with domination and we have seen countless times that isn't the case.
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Post by CBarca Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:37 pm

If the last couple years are of any indication, yes, it's dead. It isn't successful anymore and hasn't been for a while.
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Post by REWB Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:44 pm

no, a fully fit barca with better defenders/striker would still dominate world football
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Post by El Gunner Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:45 pm

Spain's still gonna win the World Cup next year with the tiki taka...

Juz saying.
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Post by Tomwin Lannister Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:46 pm

REWB wrote:no, a fully fit barca with better defenders/striker would still dominate world football

That's an invalid point though. You can say that about most teams.

"If *Insert decent team here* Had a few more top players they could win the CL.

But they don't, because... they don't.
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Post by Lex Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:47 pm

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Post by chad4401 Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:51 pm

nah but hopefully possession will stop being used as a marker for who is the better team
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Post by Tomwin Lannister Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:57 pm

chad4401 wrote:nah but hopefully possession will stop being used as a marker for who is the better team

This.

Been saying it for years. I'm not even having a pop at teams who like to keep the ball. But this "They had more possession, they dominated" shit has to stop.

We beat Celtic 5-0 on aggregate but plenty of people pointed out the possession side of the game and said Celtic were the better team.
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Post by Art Morte Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:03 pm

lol, no area of football will ever be dead. There are different ways to play it and tonight Munich's style overcame Barca's. Nothing more dramatical than that, all styles of football are very much alive, if you ask me.
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Post by RealGunner Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:11 pm

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Post by jibers Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:12 pm

No such thing as possession football
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Post by LeBéninois Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:30 pm

The Ostracised One wrote:No such thing as possession football

thanks .

And if by dead you mean that Barca is going to change their style , well , definitely NOT.
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Post by Chumlum Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:31 pm

I totally agree with AbraKebabra about possession being used as a club to beat the victors with, as if ball possession itself were a moral victory. Yes, sometimes a dominant team loses. That happens once in a while to every team, including great ones. And in some cases it is possible to interpret a possession game as a triumph for the sport over cynicism. But honestly there's not really a moral high ground based on possession alone.

That all said. Everything is cyclical in football tactics, this year's hot formation or philosophy is next year's outmoded yawnfest. It's always this way. I don't think it always happens overnight, though. Barcelona will still be contending for all sorts of trophies in the near future, beating the pants off of clubs whose fans think possession football is passé. Even if we're seeing the beginning of Barca's decline from the "all time great" into the "merely present-day elite," Barcelona will probably still be playing remarkable football & winning/challenging for trophies over the next several years. Same goes for the Spanish national team.

But maybe we'll need to see a few more direct players & tactics injected into this system to make that extra trophy-winning effort ...
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Post by jibers Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:05 am

Bénin wrote:
The Ostracised One wrote:No such thing as possession football

thanks .

And if by dead you mean that Barca is going to change their style , well , definitely NOT.

If Titop leaves your style will change. Chanhed when Rijkaard came, changed again when Pep came. If you think it won't change I've got some bad newz bro...

A new coach will bring in new tactical ideas and a new set up.
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Post by LeBéninois Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:20 am

The Ostracised One wrote:
Bénin wrote:
The Ostracised One wrote:No such thing as possession football

thanks .

And if by dead you mean that Barca is going to change their style , well , definitely NOT.

If Titop leaves your style will change. Chanhed when Rijkaard came, changed again when Pep came. If you think it won't change I've got some bad newz bro...

A new coach will bring in new tactical ideas and a new set up.

Whatever style it'll be the core will be the same. of course i want some changes as it's the only way to keep winning.
Man United for instance has been using the same 4-4-2 as the core of their style and have differents ways to play because they have many kinds of players ...
that's what i want
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Wed Apr 24, 2013 1:05 am

No because Barca played possession football without intensity. 2010-11 Barca would have beat this team, the 2012-13 without that high quality pressing does not.

Also for all the "failure" of possession football it got us to the CL semi against and a league.

The problem is not the style or tactics, but the players and preparation.
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Post by Dnmac4 Wed Apr 24, 2013 1:16 am

It's funny how a Arsenal fan of all people started this thread seeing as how there a possession based team and they beat the piss out of this Bayern team just last round.

Are people memories really this bad? One game is one game. I will take the edge in possession every game gladly.

This style has broken records and won so many trophies that it will be a long time until you see a style as effective. And BTW people who think "it's over" are going to be very disappointed.
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Post by Raptorgunner Wed Apr 24, 2013 1:19 am

Cesc come back to Arsenal we will show possession football is not dead. Laughing

FreeCesc.
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Post by Raptorgunner Wed Apr 24, 2013 1:22 am

Dnmac4 wrote:It's funny how a Arsenal fan of all people started this thread seeing as how there a possession based team and they beat the piss out of this Bayern team just last round.

Are people memories really this bad? One game is one game. I will take the edge in possession every game gladly.

This style has broken records and won so many trophies that it will be a long time until you see a style as effective. And BTW people who think "it's over" are going to be very disappointed.
I have to agree here, Cesc and Villa at Arsenal we could rape the league imo. :whistle:

I know Cesc would never come back, he dont belong in Barca. Sad
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Post by Onyx Wed Apr 24, 2013 1:27 am

It isn't. I'm sure there's other ways to play possession than the way Barca play it. Maybe a bit more direct or with slightly different tactics.

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Post by VivaStPauli Wed Apr 24, 2013 1:37 am

This has affirmed everything I have been saying for 3 years.

Possession football, if done right, is the best defensive tactic there is. But in the end it doesn't win you shit, if you concede and don't score.

Barca were passing horizontally all evening, Bayern were passing vertically only. Bayern had half the possession of Barca, three times the shots, infinity more goals, 4-0 deservedly, and Bayern were still robbed of a couple penalties and didn't convert at least 3 great chances (though Barca should've gotten 1 goal as well) - this was utter annihilation, and hte trick was to actually use possession for something. Bayern wanted goals, Barca wanted the ball. Bayern won, because goals count more.
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Post by Dnmac4 Wed Apr 24, 2013 1:49 am

"But in the end it doesn't win you shit, if you concede and don't score."

UM LOL, no style ever created wins anything if you "concede and don't score."

That's kind of the object of the game. Sorry to say but you didn't have some breakthrough revelation. It's actually a physical impossibility to win while conceding and not scoring.
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