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Post by DeviAngel Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:41 pm

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Antonio Conte is studied in view of Bayern Monaco . Milan assumed the head then a unique solution dictated by the desire to send the coach Juventus in the field Paul Pogba , whose qualities, growing exponentially, now make it virtually impossible to exclusion.
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"So strong that it can not do without. Paul Pogba is the constant thought of Antonio Conte in these days of approaching the first leg of the Champions League quarterfinals against Bayern. The coach is considering whether to deploy the French owner at the Allianz Arena. And surprise, but up to a certain point, you may also change slightly Pogba form to enter without giving up the three caliphs of the midfield.

The solution is to switch from 3-5-2 to 3-5-1-1 already experienced in the Italian Cup against Lazio and during the final few games. A move almost playmaker behind Vucinic and Marchisio Pogba would be inside. The problem is that there will be little time to try this: Pogba is in the national as Pirlo and Marchisio, but Earl is convinced that there would be no need for many training sessions to accommodate mechanisms that players are familiar with. The alternative is the usual 3-5-2 with Pogba on the bench (less than excellent exclusions that are not predictable at this time) and Matri (favorite of Giovinco) in connection with Vucinic.

There are three reasons that are pushing towards a solution-Count Pogba. The first is tactical: in Monaco Juve will have to play a game at the same time prudent and courageous. The objective of Juventus will control operations through the possession: removing pace attacks Bavarian running the ball and taking advantage of the placement of the Juve midfield will try to build a great game. A waiver of a striker in favor of Pogba would not be a demonstration of fear anything. Conte would remove a reference to the defense of Bayern and Juventus accentuate the characteristics of the game and its interpreters. Pirlo dictate the timing and Vucinic should satisfy Entries by Vidal, Pogba and Marchisio.

The second reason why the move-Pogba would be physical. Bayern have many jumpers and Juve needs to deploy a battery of specialists in the air. So Pogba would be ideal and in this context it is also possible that Peluso (better than the head) is preferred to Asamoah on the left. The third reason, finally, is the exponential growth of Paul: Count recently admitted that on the first day in black and white French is another player. The impression is that it is already on the verge of another breakthrough. That's why Juventus are preparing a new, tailor-made for him. A Juve format Pogba ".
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I KNEW something was happening with Conte trying that 3-5-1-1 with Marchisio behind the attackers
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Post by juventus101 Sat Mar 23, 2013 9:12 pm

I like this. In our last game or the game before (dont remember) we played Marchisio as an AM/SS with Vucinic and they combined brilliantly, we looked very dangerous. It would also give us more defensive stability. Plus, when it comes down to it, it comes down to a choice between dropping either Pogba or Gio/Matri. I say play Pogba.
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Post by Tomwin Lannister Sat Mar 23, 2013 9:18 pm

since Vucinic arrived his and Marchisio's link up play has been probably the best between two individual players at Juve. And I posted a long time ago discussing Marchisio and having the ability to fill in the ss void one day. Looks like that day is coming.

What I love about this is having Pogba, Pirlo, Vidal AND Marchisio on the pitch and not worrying about our strikers giving the ball away so much. Marchisio has a knack for dribbling himself out of incredibly tight spots on the pitch.

However, if Matri keeps scoring it would be foolish not to play him.
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Post by juvealbanian Sat Mar 23, 2013 10:12 pm

This may be a good choice but the problem is that Peluso will face Robben in the left wing and Vucinic has showed that he doesnt have the killer instict to be a CF.
I would play Marchisio on left wing,he can do better than Peluso.Also if Bayern plays Van Buyten maybe we can try Gio. his speed and dribble can be useful agains slow defenders.Vucinic must play SS role to organize our attack,Quag.can be useful too because i see him as the best CF we have atm. he is more clinical than Matri.

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-Barzagli-Bonucci-Chiellini

-Licht-Vidal-Pirlo-Pogba-Marchisio

-Vucinic-Quag/Gio
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Post by DeviAngel Sun Mar 24, 2013 2:17 am

Vuci is played as lone ST because he can create shot for himself and Marchisio can always combine with him acting as SS ..
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Post by Juventude Sun Mar 24, 2013 2:46 am

juvealbanian wrote:This may be a good choice but the problem is that Peluso will face Robben in the left wing and Vucinic has showed that he doesnt have the killer instict to be a CF.
I would play Marchisio on left wing,he can do better than Peluso.Also if Bayern plays Van Buyten maybe we can try Gio. his speed and dribble can be useful agains slow defenders.Vucinic must play SS role to organize our attack,Quag.can be useful too because i see him as the best CF we have atm. he is more clinical than Matri.

-Buffon

-Barzagli-Bonucci-Chiellini

-Licht-Vidal-Pirlo-Pogba-Marchisio

-Vucinic-Quag/Gio

You need a full back like Peluso or a good defender like Asamoah on the LW for an attacking team like Bayern. Devi's formation is more realistic.
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Post by djfawnz Sun Mar 24, 2013 4:05 am

i dont get where u guys say that marchiso vucini up front would be good.....they only played like 2 games together and Marchisio is NOT even an attacking midfielder...
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Post by juvealbanian Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:38 am

Juventude wrote:
juvealbanian wrote:This may be a good choice but the problem is that Peluso will face Robben in the left wing and Vucinic has showed that he doesnt have the killer instict to be a CF.
I would play Marchisio on left wing,he can do better than Peluso.Also if Bayern plays Van Buyten maybe we can try Gio. his speed and dribble can be useful agains slow defenders.Vucinic must play SS role to organize our attack,Quag.can be useful too because i see him as the best CF we have atm. he is more clinical than Matri.

-Buffon

-Barzagli-Bonucci-Chiellini

-Licht-Vidal-Pirlo-Pogba-Marchisio

-Vucinic-Quag/Gio

You need a full back like Peluso or a good defender like Asamoah on the LW for an attacking team like Bayern. Devi's formation is more realistic.

You are right,Peluso has improved a lot in the last games but i can't see him stoping a world class player like Robben.Asamoah is far better than Peluso but his form has been shit lately...
And you know Marchisio can also defend,plus with his strong mentality and hard work he can beat everyone.His dribbling and passing has also improved a lot.Marchisio vs. Robben will be wc vs. wc Smile
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Post by The Nature Boy Sun Mar 24, 2013 1:49 pm

juventus101 wrote:I like this. In our last game or the game before (dont remember) we played Marchisio as an AM/SS with Vucinic and they combined brilliantly, we looked very dangerous. It would also give us more defensive stability. Plus, when it comes down to it, it comes down to a choice between dropping either Pogba or Gio/Matri. I say play Pogba.

agreed. Absolute monster. See him for France the other day? Now, I dont think that either of those 2 dont deserve to play, its just that against a team like Bayern we need to go with our best 11 for the game in Germany.

Im sure the inclusion of Peluso has caused some Rolling Eyes but in the end Bayern attack down the flanks and we need as much defensive cover we can get.
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Post by The Nature Boy Sun Mar 24, 2013 1:52 pm

juvealbanian wrote:
Juventude wrote:
juvealbanian wrote:This may be a good choice but the problem is that Peluso will face Robben in the left wing and Vucinic has showed that he doesnt have the killer instict to be a CF.
I would play Marchisio on left wing,he can do better than Peluso.Also if Bayern plays Van Buyten maybe we can try Gio. his speed and dribble can be useful agains slow defenders.Vucinic must play SS role to organize our attack,Quag.can be useful too because i see him as the best CF we have atm. he is more clinical than Matri.

-Buffon

-Barzagli-Bonucci-Chiellini

-Licht-Vidal-Pirlo-Pogba-Marchisio

-Vucinic-Quag/Gio

You need a full back like Peluso or a good defender like Asamoah on the LW for an attacking team like Bayern. Devi's formation is more realistic.

You are right,Peluso has improved a lot in the last games but i can't see him stoping a world class player like Robben.Asamoah is far better than Peluso but his form has been shit lately...
And you know Marchisio can also defend,plus with his strong mentality and hard work he can beat everyone.His dribbling and passing has also improved a lot.Marchisio vs. Robben will be wc vs. wc Smile

But marchisio doesnt play LM. He is the most centralized player we have on the team besides Pirlo and the CBs. Playing him out wide to use his defensive abilities would be a waste. Play him in attack... when we need to defend he can be the extra man in Midfield, and he can help us in the attacking phase on the break with his insane stamina, and crisp passing.

Im really excited to see Pogba start this game. Really intense stuff.
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Post by The Nature Boy Sun Mar 24, 2013 1:55 pm

AbraKebabra Alacalamb wrote:since Vucinic arrived his and Marchisio's link up play has been probably the best between two individual players at Juve. And I posted a long time ago discussing Marchisio and having the ability to fill in the ss void one day. Looks like that day is coming.

What I love about this is having Pogba, Pirlo, Vidal AND Marchisio on the pitch and not worrying about our strikers giving the ball away so much. Marchisio has a knack for dribbling himself out of incredibly tight spots on the pitch.

However, if Matri keeps scoring it would be foolish not to play him.

Marchisio is the new Gerrard. Remember back when Liverpool used to play a 4-5-1 with Torres up top by himself, it was Gerrard that went from being the CM to pretty much an AM/SS. The two of them have great link up play and Liverpool were very fun to watch at that point in time.

I dont see Vucinic ever reaching the heights Torres reached, and Marchisio is not at the level of an in his prime Gerrard, but the comparison is there. Marchisio certainly has the quality to get ther.
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Post by DeviAngel Sun Mar 24, 2013 3:21 pm

djfawnz wrote:i dont get where u guys say that marchiso vucini up front would be good.....they only played like 2 games together and Marchisio is NOT even an attacking midfielder...

4-5 games as MArchisio as the trequarista BUT in the 3-5-2 they always combine so good we speak about that not about those 4-5 matches
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Post by djfawnz Sun Mar 24, 2013 5:09 pm

Devi, common bro i think the only game i can remember when was almost all our strikers were injured and Conte HAD to play someone with Vucinic.


Not only that, but you guys think its wise to try this test in one of the most important games? He needs to go with the sure formation.

Hes gonna play a 352 with Vuci Matri up front.

Hell i prefer Marchisio in LM than SS....
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Post by DeviAngel Sun Mar 24, 2013 5:20 pm

djfawnz wrote:Devi, common bro i think the only game i can remember when was almost all our strikers were injured and Conte HAD to play someone with Vucinic.


Not only that, but you guys think its wise to try this test in one of the most important games? He needs to go with the sure formation.

Hes gonna play a 352 with Vuci Matri up front.

Hell i prefer Marchisio in LM than SS....

bro every game in these 2 seasons Marchisio and Vucinic combine so good jsut watch highlights and you'll see
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Post by S Sun Mar 24, 2013 5:34 pm

It was just in 2 games i saw(Against Catania and Bologna) where Marchisio played behind the main striker and that too only for about 10-15 minutes until the final whistle.

I really dont think he was experimenting anything there or was he looking to make some big tactical changes going into the remaining games.It was probably(what i think) was to accomodate Pogba into the eleven.(Considering his form).

I think there's a bit of an overreaction here imo.From next season onwards i dont see Pirlo playing much so it will probably be Pogba as DM with Marchisio and Vidal as CM's.

What i sure know is that we need a new SS next summer.Ideally a creative one.
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Post by The Nature Boy Sun Mar 24, 2013 5:36 pm

I dont think that this line up is an experiment, and nor do I think is it divised for attacking play.

with this formation, in the defensive phase, we are extemely strong. Marchisio offers much more in a game like this as he will link the MF and the ATT, while also being able to get back into MF and contribute to defensive responsiblities, marking, and taking pressure off of vidal and pogba.

on the counter attack:

The center backs win the ball and under normal circumstances look for pirlo, or the wing backs. Pirlo serves as the link to the MF. Vidal and Pogba will look to take up space and assess their options when they get the ball. Marchisio and Vucini link up well together, regarless of what position Marchisio is labeled as. This will allow Pogba or vidal to get involved in the attack and either go for goal or hold the ball longer. this will allow the defensive line to push up and we can keep possession and look for a scoring chance.

The real talking point here isnt marchisio, its Pogba. Having him starting in the #8 role is what I really want to see. If we can hold the ball up somewhat on the counter I see him making runs late and smacking the shit out of the ball on the volley. This makes our midfield way more dynamic. Marchisio will help, sure. But having pogba start with Vidal and Pirlo will make our counterattack deadly, and allow for the midfield to really apply pressure to the likes of Ribery in the defensive phase.
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Post by Juveman17 Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:57 pm

2010/2011 Juve > 2012/13 Juve. And it isn't even close.
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Post by djfawnz Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:01 pm

Devi, they do combine well, but Vucinic combines well with anyone, he is our attacking creating forward. Even though u have a good point Nature Boy, i just dont ser Conte risking this game with this formation....and personally i think u guys should root for the one the team knows best.

Having just 1 pure striker limits our striking capabilities, and lets be real, Marchisio is not Ozil our Mata or those type of AM....

but thats just myopinion, dont hate! hehehehe :p
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Post by The Nature Boy Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:53 pm

And of course your opinion is valid.

But I honestly think Conte is lining up w another mf to stops Ribery and Co from controlling the att mid areas
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