Re: The Official Arsenal Winter Transfers/Rumours Thread

[urbaNRoots]

If only Ramsey wasnt a part of it

What's the problem with Ramsey?

[Chumlum]

If only Ramsey wasnt a part of it

What's the problem with Ramsey?

Hah. Don't you know he's awful and not fit to wear the Arsenal shirt cuz (1) he suffered a horrific injury, (2) was then asked to fill the practically unfillable boots of Cesc until he burned out after a few months, and (3) he's often played out of natural position (as if it's his fault). Plus (4) he slows down play by overcomplicating things. But god forbid a 22-year-old with great commitment & mentality still shows he has some things to learn about the game.

[6unner]

Manager Arsène Wenger said: “We are all delighted that Theo has signed a new contract. He joined us as a 16-year-old and since then has developed very well to become an extremely important player for both Arsenal Football Club and England.

"Theo is a strong player and also a great person, and the combination of his ability and pace always make him such a valuable asset either from the flanks or down the middle. Theo’s contract extension now gives us a strong nucleus of ambitious young players who have committed to the Club and want to be successful with us as a group.”

Theo said: "I am very happy to have signed a new contract here at Arsenal. Thanks to everyone for their continued support, especially the manager, everyone at the club and most importantly the fans. I have made it clear from the start that I wanted to stay at Arsenal so I am pleased we have agreed a deal that everyone is happy with. What’s important now is for the team to realise its potential and win trophies.”
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/theo-walcott-signs-new-long-term-contract
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Silver lining.

typical Wenger brain washing. This team is no where good enough to win and still needs a major overhaul.

[Raptorgunner]

I am so happy Theo Saga is over, was getting so sick of it.
Now we will endure endless complaints about Theo's wages every time he has a poor game.

[Artilleristen]

If only Ramsey wasnt a part of it

What's the problem with Ramsey?

Hah. Don't you know he's awful and not fit to wear the Arsenal shirt cuz (1) he suffered a horrific injury, (2) was then asked to fill the practically unfillable boots of Cesc until he burned out after a few months, and (3) he's often played out of natural position (as if it's his fault). Plus (4) he slows down play by overcomplicating things. But god forbid a 22-year-old with great commitment & mentality still shows he has some things to learn about the game.

He messes with the spacing by not playing the position Wenger wants him to, and that injury was almost 3 years ago, so the injury is no excuse, and look at Jack, he came back from an injury that kept him out of the team for a long time and he has played great, were as Ramsey has looked like he would struggle to make the team at QPR.

[6unner]

I honestly don't care that much about wages any more. Walcott might not be worth £100k p/w now, and he might never be worth that much, but then again he might grow into a player that is. We can't really be sure.

He's a bit under appreciated, I feel. People saying he's not one of Arsenal's best players and that he's never had a good season before; that's simply not true. Walcott has been a very productive player for us in the last three seasons, scoring 38 goals from the flank which is a good record no matter how you look at it, especially when you consider he's still only 23. He's got a good record in the big games, too.

For the sake of comparison, Pires scored 37 in the same period and Ljungberg scored 17.

With the way Arsenal have lost players recently, it was very important to get Walcott signed up. It's a boost to keep a player who you've spent a lot of time and money on, a player that fans have got a connection with (he is one of the more popular players in the squad) and a player who actually wanted to stay at Arsenal.

Moreover, Walcott could've easily sat out the remainder of his contract and signed somewhere else for an even bigger pay check. The fact that he committed to us is a big positive and shows that we can actually hold onto players.

So yeah, I'm very happy this has finally been concluded. Hopefully we can get Sagna signed up to a new deal, too, and hopefully now we can put all our effort into making a couple of additions to the squad in this window.

I think that if you look at AFC wages Theo's is actually not that bad. I can see many more that I find to be worse. Lets not forget that we have the Wenger Socialist wage scale.



Andrey Arshavin £80,000 £4,160,000
Mikel Arteta £70,000 £3,640,000
Theo Walcott £100,000
Thomas Vermaelen £70,000 £3,640,000

Gervinho £70,000 £3,640,000
Per Mertesacker £60,000 £3,120,000
Sebastien Squillaci £60,000 £3,120,000
Tomas Rosicky £60,000 £3,120,000
Bacary Sagna £60,000 £3,120,000
Aaron Ramsey £60,000
Jack Wilshere £80,000
Nicklas Bendtner £52,000 £2,704,000
Marouane Chamakh £50,000 £2,600,000
Abou Diaby £50,000 £2,600,000
Andre Santos £50,000 £2,600,000
Denilson £50,000 £2,600,000
Johan Djourou £50,000 £2,600,000
Laurent Koscielny £50,000 £2,600,000
Lukasz Fabianski £40,000 £2,080,000
Wojciech Szczesny £40,000 £2,080,000
Armand Traore £40,000 £2,080,000
Ju Young Park £40,000 £2,080,000
Kieran Gibbs £50,000
Vito Mannone £20,000 £1,040,000
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain £60,000
Carl Jenkinson £35,000
Emmanuel Frimpong £20,000 £1,040,000
Ryo £20,000 £1,040,000
Francis Coquelin £15,000 £780,000
Henri Lansbury £5,000 £260,000
Ignasi Miquel £5,000 £260,000

[sportsczy]

Why don't you put the total of 5mil for Walcott in there... and yeah, it's bad lol. But it's done. Let's hope he doesn't flop (there's actually a good chance of it unfortunately).

[adoptiongunner]

how many of Arsenal players(especially young once) we have want to either be sold or throw away somehow because of one or two problems that can be over come. that has not come good especially when when wenger has persisted with them VAN the betrayer, comes to mind even Walcot a season or two ago some have call for his head and now Ramsey. Wenger must be seen somethings in training and of cause there is always flashes of them during games. let support this guy and his form will come through again

[S]

De Laurentiis on the ongoing Cavani rumors:

"For Cavani I have already been offered €55m and I said no," De Laurentiis told Calcio Mercato. "I need him, not the money.

"I am confident in his ability, he knows that here he is the number one in the city, and I do not think in other places or at other teams, most of us can identify with that city, jersey and fans."

[Chumlum]

What's the problem with Ramsey?

Hah. Don't you know he's awful and not fit to wear the Arsenal shirt cuz (1) he suffered a horrific injury, (2) was then asked to fill the practically unfillable boots of Cesc until he burned out after a few months, and (3) he's often played out of natural position (as if it's his fault). Plus (4) he slows down play by overcomplicating things. But god forbid a 22-year-old with great commitment & mentality still shows he has some things to learn about the game.

He messes with the spacing by not playing the position Wenger wants him to, and that injury was almost 3 years ago, so the injury is no excuse, and look at Jack, he came back from an injury that kept him out of the team for a long time and he has played great, were as Ramsey has looked like he would struggle to make the team at QPR.

I'm not saying Ramsey is beyond reproach, I'm just arguing against the scapegoating which holds Ramsey as a crap player who deserves no place or future in the Arsenal squad. There are numerous mitigating factors for Ramsey's underperformance the last couple seasons, that's all I'm saying. But he works hard, doesn't shy away from the game, he has shown superb vision at times, and I'm very hopeful he'll develop into a really consistently valuable part of the midfield in the near future.

As for the comparison with Wilshere: sure, but look, Ramsey may not be as quickly adaptive or as good overall as Jack. This doesn't mean he's bad, wouldn't you agree?

[RealGunner]

how many of Arsenal players(especially young once) we have want to either be sold or throw away somehow because of one or two problems that can be over come. that has not come good especially when when wenger has persisted with them VAN the betrayer, comes to mind even Walcot a season or two ago some have call for his head and now Ramsey. Wenger must be seen somethings in training and of cause there is always flashes of them during games. let support this guy and his form will come through again

Welcome mate!

[urbaNRoots]

I'm glad we signed Walcott. Didn't really want to lose him to a rival after spending so much time/money making him the player he's today as I believe he still has to offer something bigger to Arsenal before eventually leaving (for good or bad).

As for the financial part... yes he doesn't deserve all that money for now - but I believe in Wenger's judgement - if he thinks Walcott deserves that money then fair enough... we'll have to wait and see. I won't rule him out and call him a flop, already ala sportszczy. Pretty certain Wenger knows him better than all of us here.

[adoptiongunner]

how many of Arsenal players(especially young once) we have want to either be sold or throw away somehow because of one or two problems that can be over come. that has not come good especially when when wenger has persisted with them VAN the betrayer, comes to mind even Walcot a season or two ago some have call for his head and now Ramsey. Wenger must be seen somethings in training and of cause there is always flashes of them during games. let support this guy and his form will come through again

Welcome mate!

Thanks RG
lurking for a long time and have really enjoy all your contribution

[RealGunner]

You are too kind sir.

[AnJl]

What's the problem with Ramsey?

Hah. Don't you know he's awful and not fit to wear the Arsenal shirt cuz (1) he suffered a horrific injury, (2) was then asked to fill the practically unfillable boots of Cesc until he burned out after a few months, and (3) he's often played out of natural position (as if it's his fault). Plus (4) he slows down play by overcomplicating things. But god forbid a 22-year-old with great commitment & mentality still shows he has some things to learn about the game.

He messes with the spacing by not playing the position Wenger wants him to, and that injury was almost 3 years ago, so the injury is no excuse, and look at Jack, he came back from an injury that kept him out of the team for a long time and he has played great, were as Ramsey has looked like he would struggle to make the team at QPR.

Stop it. Just freaking stop it.

Leg shattered in two places. Foot hanging by his freaking sock.

Needs more than 8 - 9 months to get back onto the pitch, to heal the muscle and bone.

Forget that, his mental state is also *bleep*. Even if he makes it on the pitch, he will think twice before jumping into a tackle, or will have his eye in two places as he runs with the ball.

To top that off, he misses out on nearly 9 months of training. 9 months of learning.

So stop it.

Oh and to top that off, when he did come back, he was playing pretty well till he burned himself out.

See (not so) old videos of Ramsey, that is the man we signed. This guy is slowly making his way up. You have to be blind to not see it.

Diaby faced the same thing and is unable to stand on his own two feet without falling apart, Eduardo was never the same player again after that injury, it took him ages to find his form, out of which he had to move to a lesser league to even find that form (though change in formation was also the problem).

And to top that off, his position is not a winger. Lets get that clear.

He.

Is.

Not.

A.

Winger.

Let us see Jack play in that role and see how well he does.

[Artilleristen]

Hah. Don't you know he's awful and not fit to wear the Arsenal shirt cuz (1) he suffered a horrific injury, (2) was then asked to fill the practically unfillable boots of Cesc until he burned out after a few months, and (3) he's often played out of natural position (as if it's his fault). Plus (4) he slows down play by overcomplicating things. But god forbid a 22-year-old with great commitment & mentality still shows he has some things to learn about the game.

He messes with the spacing by not playing the position Wenger wants him to, and that injury was almost 3 years ago, so the injury is no excuse, and look at Jack, he came back from an injury that kept him out of the team for a long time and he has played great, were as Ramsey has looked like he would struggle to make the team at QPR.

Stop it. Just freaking stop it.

Leg shattered in two places. Foot hanging by his freaking sock.

Needs more than 8 - 9 months to get back onto the pitch, to heal the muscle and bone.

Forget that, his mental state is also *bleep*. Even if he makes it on the pitch, he will think twice before jumping into a tackle, or will have his eye in two places as he runs with the ball.

To top that off, he misses out on nearly 9 months of training. 9 months of learning.

So stop it.

Oh and to top that off, when he did come back, he was playing pretty well till he burned himself out.

See (not so) old videos of Ramsey, that is the man we signed. This guy is slowly making his way up. You have to be blind to not see it.

Diaby faced the same thing and is unable to stand on his own two feet without falling apart, Eduardo was never the same player again after that injury, it took him ages to find his form, out of which he had to move to a lesser league to even find that form (though change in formation was also the problem).

And to top that off, his position is not a winger. Lets get that clear.

He.

Is.

Not.

A.

Winger.

Let us see Jack play in that role and see how well he does.

The fact the he is playing on the wings means that AW thinks he isn't fit to play his so called natural position, and he came back and played in october of the same year, these are the facts whether you want to look at them or not.

[sportsczy]

And he's not efficient enough to be a striker... even this year, when he's being played as either CF or right striker. Granted neither is Giroud lol. The only one who looks remotely like a natural scorer is Podolski.

[VendettaRed07]

Fantastic news! now we can move on and make some signings.. hopefully

We had to overpay to keep him. But thats what you have to do sometimes. If we had lost him we'd had to have dropped 15 million plus just to replace him. Not to mention the time we'd have to wait to for them to adjust, or more likely develop because wenger would have likely bought someone who was like 17 and taken years to get to where theo is now. So its about time we just said **** it and just PAID someone what they wanted!.. Every other big club does that. To people still cringing at the money we gave him, just remember that James Milner and Gareth Barry still make 20k per week more than Walcott does.

[urbaNRoots]

Hopefully now that Walcott signed, Wenger calms down a bit about the Walcott striker thing. Play him there against scrubs and Giroud against more organized defences.

[MJ]

The fact that this is Giroud's first year here and Walcott's first chance at CF not withstanding?

[AnJl]

He messes with the spacing by not playing the position Wenger wants him to, and that injury was almost 3 years ago, so the injury is no excuse, and look at Jack, he came back from an injury that kept him out of the team for a long time and he has played great, were as Ramsey has looked like he would struggle to make the team at QPR.

Stop it. Just freaking stop it.

Leg shattered in two places. Foot hanging by his freaking sock.

Needs more than 8 - 9 months to get back onto the pitch, to heal the muscle and bone.

Forget that, his mental state is also *bleep*. Even if he makes it on the pitch, he will think twice before jumping into a tackle, or will have his eye in two places as he runs with the ball.

To top that off, he misses out on nearly 9 months of training. 9 months of learning.

So stop it.

Oh and to top that off, when he did come back, he was playing pretty well till he burned himself out.

See (not so) old videos of Ramsey, that is the man we signed. This guy is slowly making his way up. You have to be blind to not see it.

Diaby faced the same thing and is unable to stand on his own two feet without falling apart, Eduardo was never the same player again after that injury, it took him ages to find his form, out of which he had to move to a lesser league to even find that form (though change in formation was also the problem).

And to top that off, his position is not a winger. Lets get that clear.

He.

Is.

Not.

A.

Winger.

Let us see Jack play in that role and see how well he does.

The fact the he is playing on the wings means that AW thinks he isn't fit to play his so called natural position, and he came back and played in october of the same year, these are the facts whether you want to look at them or not.

So, because he isnt fir to play his so called natural position, you play him in a completely different role, which requires a different set of skills and mindset, a role that isnt even in his more comfortable section of the pitch.

Bri.lli.ant.

[The Verminator]

He messes with the spacing by not playing the position Wenger wants him to, and that injury was almost 3 years ago, so the injury is no excuse, and look at Jack, he came back from an injury that kept him out of the team for a long time and he has played great, were as Ramsey has looked like he would struggle to make the team at QPR.

Stop it. Just freaking stop it.

Leg shattered in two places. Foot hanging by his freaking sock.

Needs more than 8 - 9 months to get back onto the pitch, to heal the muscle and bone.

Forget that, his mental state is also *bleep*. Even if he makes it on the pitch, he will think twice before jumping into a tackle, or will have his eye in two places as he runs with the ball.

To top that off, he misses out on nearly 9 months of training. 9 months of learning.

So stop it.

Oh and to top that off, when he did come back, he was playing pretty well till he burned himself out.

See (not so) old videos of Ramsey, that is the man we signed. This guy is slowly making his way up. You have to be blind to not see it.

Diaby faced the same thing and is unable to stand on his own two feet without falling apart, Eduardo was never the same player again after that injury, it took him ages to find his form, out of which he had to move to a lesser league to even find that form (though change in formation was also the problem).

And to top that off, his position is not a winger. Lets get that clear.

He.

Is.

Not.

A.

Winger.

Let us see Jack play in that role and see how well he does.

The fact the he is playing on the wings means that AW thinks he isn't fit to play his so called natural position, and he came back and played in october of the same year, these are the facts whether you want to look at them or not.

hmmmm i'm not so sure about that. Look at Rosicky and Arshavin. Both players who i believe do much better in the centre than the wings, but Rozza was played on the wings quite frequently and whenever Shava comes on (if ever) he is always played out wide.

Sometimes it's just Wenger hoping to convert someone into something they're not. Other times (and in the case of Ramsey i believe) it's to provide better protection on the flank, and help keep possession better.

[Lex]

Why wasn't such a giant fuss made over Milner's wages when going to City? His "earnings" are beyond a joke. Or how about Joe Cole? £90k a week at Liverpool, wasn't it? I dare someone to try and remember his last good game....

Gareth bleedin' Barry makes £120k weekly at City, yet no-one bats an eyelid. But lo and behold Walcott gets a pay bump, and we get mathematicians and astrophysicists the world over calculating his wages + bonuses for the next 10 years as a means to criticise him

[VendettaRed07]

Why wasn't such a giant fuss made over Milner's wages when going to City? His "earnings" are beyond a joke. Or how about Joe Cole? £90k a week at Liverpool, wasn't it? I dare someone to try and remember his last good game....

Gareth bleedin' Barry makes £120k weekly at City, yet no-one bats an eyelid. But lo and behold Walcott gets a pay bump, and we get mathematicians and astrophysicists the world over calculating his wages + bonuses for the next 10 years as a means to criticise him

lol it is silly. Realistically we are bickering over nickels and dimes in the grand scheme of things. If he had signed a 85k a week deal, which was originally what it was supposed to be, no one would think much of it. I think many would agree hes worth that.. So its that extra 15k really THAT big of a deal?

[Jay29]

Either way, this is a situation Arsenal can't win in. They could've refused to pay high wages and let Walcott walk, which would've resulted in widespread criticism and discontent amongst the fans and probably the players, too. Now that they've decided they will pay Walcott high wages and have managed to keep him, we've got people saying that we're paying him too much, that we've caved in to Walcott's demands, etc.

[The Franchise]

I think the difference is Arsenal usually dont give such wages to that level of player. Walcott is good, dont get me wrong, but 90 something is no joke. Especially as Arsenal have come across as reluctant to do that.

That being said, you did the right thing overall probably.

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