Di Maria vs. Robben vs. Silva vs. Iniesta

Fußball wrote:He was a choke artist until 2013.

Ousted by Mehdrid.
WC miss 2010.
Penalty miss in CL final 2012.
Bundesliga open play misses and penalty miss 2012 that cost them the title.

He was getting booed by Bayern fans in 2012. Remember that awkward friendly Netherlands vs. Bayern in Allianz. He's done well since then to redeem himself for sure, especially with the 2013 winning goal, but meh. Let's not get carried away.

Hmm.
The reason why he did get booed is complicated, and it wasn't Bayern supporters finest hour, altough there were reasons to be a bit fed up with him.
But 'choke artist' before 2013? In our run to the CL final in 2009/10, which was van Gaal clumsily getting us back into Europe's top teams, Robben pretty much scored every decisive goal in every game, and he has done so pretty consistently since then.
Of course, he used to be injured half of the season so that has to be taken into account.
When Kroos got injured in the first Juve quarter and Robben came on that was the incident that made our CL win possible.
Bye, bye, Toni, overrated prick

Hapless_Hans wrote:

Fußball wrote:He was a choke artist until 2013.

Ousted by Mehdrid.
WC miss 2010.
Penalty miss in CL final 2012.
Bundesliga open play misses and penalty miss 2012 that cost them the title.

He was getting booed by Bayern fans in 2012. Remember that awkward friendly Netherlands vs. Bayern in Allianz. He's done well since then to redeem himself for sure, especially with the 2013 winning goal, but meh. Let's not get carried away.

Hmm.
The reason why he did get booed is complicated, and it wasn't Bayern supporters finest hour, altough there were reasons to be a bit fed up with him.
But 'choke artist' before 2013? In our run to the CL final in 2009/10, which was van Gaal clumsily getting us back into Europe's top teams, Robben pretty much scored every decisive goal in every game, and he has done so pretty consistently since then.
Of course, he used to be injured half of the season so that has to be taken into account.
When Kroos got injured in the first Juve quarter and Robben came on that was the incident that made our CL win possible.
Bye, bye, Toni, overrated prick

How 'bout STFU and just agree with me? Weather's way too hot to start arguments in here, fss.

Haha! Yeah you're right, no need for fuzz.

Fußball wrote:He was a choke artist until 2013.

Ousted by Mehdrid.
WC miss 2010.
Penalty miss in CL final 2012.
Bundesliga open play misses and penalty miss 2012 that cost them the title.

He was getting booed by Bayern fans in 2012. Remember that awkward friendly Netherlands vs. Bayern in Allianz. He's done well since then to redeem himself for sure, especially with the 2013 winning goal, but meh. Let's not get carried away.

Johan Cryuff was ousted from Ajax. Won the title with Feyenoord. Everybody misses chances. As did Messi. Missed a clear PK in the Semis vs Chelsea. PK's are 50-50's and has a bit of luck element as well.

The BL Open Play Misses is BS & Retarded. He scored many clutch goals to take Bayern to 3 points behind Dortmund when Bayern faced Dortmund at Signal Iduna. In the 85th minute he earned a PK which he himself missed. The match was 0-1 and if he scored Bayern would have drawn and still be 3 points behind and lost the title.

Bayern's losses was due to the overall poor play of most players with everyone passing to Robben hoping he will do some magic, Gomez missing chances. Schweni missed the PK which caused Bayern to loose as well. Singling out Robben is unfair. It was a collective failure. Robben probably has biggest share/reason for defeat.

However throughout his career he has a variety of success. League Titles with PSV & Chelsea. He was one of Chelsea's best player while being injured often and helped them to the league title. He was on Madrid's best players helping them to the title and a great fight-back in the next. Shunned to raise cash for new signings, clear space like every Dutchman was made to including Sneijder, Huntelaar.

Came to Bayern @ at 09-10 had on the best seasons in CHL History. Single handedly carried a very weak team of Demichellis, Pranjic, DVB, Butt Defense to the CHL Final with 1 after the other wonder goals against MU, Fiorentina, etc. Single handed won the cup with a Legendary goal against Schalke in the 115th minute in the semis when Neuer the opposing GK would probably have been a favourite in the PK's.

Won the CHL with Bayern and helped to last year's double.

With the NT he has been brilliant. Best Dutchman in 2004 lighting the Euros on fire. 2 MOM in the Group Stages in WC 2006 and once again was the best Dutch player. In the 2008 Euros he was out injured but came on against France and scored a Wonder Goal and people's jaw dropped.

Played with a hole in his leg which caused him to stay out for 6-7 months after the WC and did his best to take Oranje to the WC. Yes he missed, his shot barely touched Casillas' boots spike after the GK dived the wrong way.

He has had more success than failure. But most of all, he has risen from heart-breaking failures, the hatred of people like you and some other idiots, risen from injuries time and again to come stronger for his club and country.

Arquitescu wrote:I simply don't rate him as highly as the players named here and in the OP thread. I find him limited, predictable and quite overrated now as just as the case with Oscar; one spectacular performance for the country and people are elevating both individuals beyond their deserved platform.

You have neither rated him nor acknowledged him. Even his haters has given him more credit than you. When he was the best player in the CHL leading a Bayern attack against Barca, Dortmund, Juve, you had Kuba is your team of the tournament with Muller, Lahm and all the others but no space for Robben. You have rated freaking Kuba higher than him then.

What I find issue is it is idiotic to say 1 Superior performance for the country. Not considering friendlies like the one against England in Wembley he has also performed exceptionally for every tournament.

Best player undisputed in the 2004 Euro, 2006 WC. 1 Match he played in the 08 Euro and he dazzled. The 10 WC where he missed in the finals, he played brilliantly before that with a hole in his leg when he was not even supposed to play.

He has been Oranje's best player in the last 20 years with Kluivert,Sneijder and Marco Van Baasten. All 3 have most of the time done very well for Oranje. However his contribution will probably eclipse both Kluivert and Sneijder by the end of this tournament.

Marco Van Baasten won Oranje an Euro so Robben might never overtake with regards to contribution for the country.

It is also sad that he is being compared to Oscar. One of the greatest players in this generation being compared to Oscar. Maybe I should start a Blind vs Iniesta thread to match the idiocy.

Footyfan wrote:

Arquitescu wrote:I simply don't rate him as highly as the players named here and in the OP thread. I find him limited, predictable and quite overrated now as just as the case with Oscar; one spectacular performance for the country and people are elevating both individuals beyond their deserved platform.

You have neither rated him nor acknowledged him. Even his haters has given him more credit than you. When he was the best player in the CHL leading a Bayern attack against Barca, Dortmund, Juve, you had Kuba is your team of the tournament with Muller, Lahm and all the others but no space for Robben. You have rated freaking Kuba higher than him then.

What I find issue is it is idiotic to say 1 Superior performance for the country. Not considering friendlies like the one against England in Wembley he has also performed exceptionally for every tournament.

Best player undisputed in the 2004 Euro, 2006 WC. 1 Match he played in the 08 Euro and he dazzled. The 10 WC where he missed in the finals, he played brilliantly before that with a hole in his leg when he was not even supposed to play.

He has been Oranje's best player in the last 20 years with Kluivert,Sneijder and Marco Van Baasten. All 3 have most of the time done very well for Oranje. However his contribution will probably eclipse both Kluivert and Sneijder by the end of this tournament.

Marco Van Baasten won Oranje an Euro so Robben might never overtake with regards to contribution for the country.

It is also sad that he is being compared to Oscar. One of the greatest players in this generation being compared to Oscar. Maybe I should start a Blind vs Iniesta thread to match the idiocy.

If you read my post while not seething over non-existent claims, you would have understood it a wee bit more clearly.

I said I do not rate Robben as highly as others do; that is a kindling of an opinion, not stating my opinion as a fact.

And nowhere am I comparing him with Oscar. Read carefully.

Rather ironic considering you are comparing Robben with MvB and Cruyff. No comparison.

I always thought Robben is better than Ribery. sure i don't watch Bayern often but every time i see a game of Bayern, mostly their CL games, it is Robben who is the man of the match and the most dangerous player on the pitch ( when they win ofcourse ).

I rate him very highly. don't forget that he was extremely injury prone and it hurt him before his time at Bayern.

Mamad wrote:I always thought Robben is better than Ribery. sure i don't watch Bayern often but every time i see a game of Bayern, mostly their CL games, it is Robben who is the man of the match and the most dangerous player on the pitch ( when they win ofcourse ).

I rate him very highly. don't forget that he was extremely injury prone and it hurt him before his time at Bayern.

Agreed. And its almost always Robben who wins them the games, he's there game changer.

Arquitescu wrote:

Footyfan wrote:

Arquitescu wrote:I simply don't rate him as highly as the players named here and in the OP thread. I find him limited, predictable and quite overrated now as just as the case with Oscar; one spectacular performance for the country and people are elevating both individuals beyond their deserved platform.

You have neither rated him nor acknowledged him. Even his haters has given him more credit than you. When he was the best player in the CHL leading a Bayern attack against Barca, Dortmund, Juve, you had Kuba is your team of the tournament with Muller, Lahm and all the others but no space for Robben. You have rated freaking Kuba higher than him then.

What I find issue is it is idiotic to say 1 Superior performance for the country. Not considering friendlies like the one against England in Wembley he has also performed exceptionally for every tournament.

Best player undisputed in the 2004 Euro, 2006 WC. 1 Match he played in the 08 Euro and he dazzled. The 10 WC where he missed in the finals, he played brilliantly before that with a hole in his leg when he was not even supposed to play.

He has been Oranje's best player in the last 20 years with Kluivert,Sneijder and Marco Van Baasten. All 3 have most of the time done very well for Oranje. However his contribution will probably eclipse both Kluivert and Sneijder by the end of this tournament.

Marco Van Baasten won Oranje an Euro so Robben might never overtake with regards to contribution for the country.

It is also sad that he is being compared to Oscar. One of the greatest players in this generation being compared to Oscar. Maybe I should start a Blind vs Iniesta thread to match the idiocy.

If you read my post while not seething over non-existent claims, you would have understood it a wee bit more clearly.

I said I do not rate Robben as highly as others do; that is a kindling of an opinion, not stating my opinion as a fact.

And nowhere am I comparing him with Oscar. Read carefully.

Rather ironic considering you are comparing Robben with MvB and Cruyff. No comparison.

My dear Arq,

I did not compare him to Cryuff. No-one can be compared to Cryuff in football. He is visionary who changed football not just a footballer. His ideas, setting up the Barca Academy are phenomenal. When I hear about Cryuff's usage of space I actually learn a lot. Sometimes he is egoistic and speaks BS, but mostly he is a fountain of knowledge. As an administrator, coach, manager, visionary his accomplishments are unrivaled.

I was unfortunate to not see Marco in his prime. By the time I was watching regularly he was fighting to prolong his career. Having gone through Oranje Football in detail, I can say Robben is the best player I have seen. My personal view is that he is better than MVB as both his club and international accomplishments are much greater and over a period of time while Marco's was unfortunately cut short by injury.

Marco was a Great Dutch ST. Him & Kluivert are the ideal Dutch 9. Strong, fast, skilled and a great scorer.

Johan Cryuff himself called Arjen the Dutch player in the last 20 years and this was 5-6 odd years ago. He was the same intuition and instincts which he had and said none of the Dutch players played with that intuition in the last couple of decades.

Down the road it's all a matter of opinion and perception. Legends from Different generations having a gap of 20-25 years can never truly be compared no matter whoever tries. I have my opinion and you have yours.