Barcelona without Messi vs Real without Ronaldo

.........................Casillas..........................
Arbeloa........Ramos......Pepe.............Marcelo
...............Alonso........Khedira......................
Di Maria..............Ozil.....................Benzema..
......................Higuain................................


.......................Valdes...............................
Alves..........Puyol........Pique..............Alba....
.......................Busquets.......................
.................Xavi............Cesc.....................
Alexis.................Villa......................Iniesta....


Discuss

No

Still Barcelona.

Madrid. No more difference maker.

------------------Iker-------------------
Arbeloa----Pepe----Ramos------Marcelo
------------Khedira----Alonso----------
------Ozil----------------------Magia
------------------Benzema--------
--------------------Higuain------------




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RealGunner wrote:Still Barcelona.

Still Barcelona...So for you Barca more Messi is better than Madrid more Ronaldo. I still dont know how they were second last year.

1) barcelona will have 70% of the ball, or more.

2) Madrid wouldn't be able to counter attack as well as they do with Ronaldo. Alves would Nulify Benzema, Alba would do likewise on the other wing. Higuain doesn't have blistering pace of Benzema/Ronaldo upfront

3) With the amount of Chances Barcelona will make with Xavi,Iniesta,Cesc and Busquets. You need a clinical finisher upfront, and you need a runner in behind. Heskey in barcelona shirt would score 15 a season never mind someone like Villa

RealGunner wrote:1) barcelona will have 70% of the ball, or more.

2) Madrid wouldn't be able to counter attack as well as they do with Ronaldo. Alves would Nulify Benzema, Alba would do likewise on the other wing. Higuain doesn't have blistering pace of Benzema/Ronaldo upfront

3) With the amount of Chances Barcelona will make with Xavi,Iniesta,Cesc and Busquets. You need a clinical finisher upfront, and you need a runner in behind. Heskey in barcelona shirt would score 15 a season never mind someone like Villa

What about my lineup with Magia and Marcelo on the same side and Benzema and Ozil playing together on the other side?

Disagree though, we work amazing chances without Ronaldo as well, look at our counters against Valencia a couple years back, simple passes quick movement, Benzema and Ozil create on the counter in their sleep.

More fluid movement and ball circulation.

Less clinical finishing and less of Ronaldo's runs, we lose out on some scoring oppurtunites, but we gain some and have relatively more control over the game.

Also not even Barca fans would claim Alba would nullify Ozil/Di Maria lmao.

Benzema in the SS role and him and Ozil interchanging all game will pose some specific problems for Busquets and Alba.

RealGunner wrote:1) barcelona will have 70% of the ball, or more.

2) Madrid wouldn't be able to counter attack as well as they do with Ronaldo. Alves would Nulify Benzema, Alba would do likewise on the other wing. Higuain doesn't have blistering pace of Benzema/Ronaldo upfront

3) With the amount of Chances Barcelona will make with Xavi,Iniesta,Cesc and Busquets. You need a clinical finisher upfront, and you need a runner in behind. Heskey in barcelona shirt would score 15 a season never mind someone like Villa

The days were Barcelona created amount of chances with that midfield are over. Did you watch the recent classicos or the same Euro cup?? Barca could mantain posession and create 0 chances in a entire game without Messi.

without ronaldo, real madrid will play like france national team... not knowing what the hell they are doing, and no true finisher, or that player who leads counter attacks with his speed, physicality or positioning lol

Tough one. The game would go to penalties.

Rebaño Sagrado wrote:Madrid. No more difference maker.

This.. Madrid have players that are comparable to Cristiano, Barca doesn't have anybody close to Messi so we can compensate better.. In other words, Barca loses more than we do

Considiring Barca can't even score against relegation sides without Messi, I just don't see Barca outscoring us

Also disagree wtih RG... we scored alot of goals last season, and not all of them was becouse of Ronaldo. We still have a amazing frontline without Ronaldo but we're defiently ALOT weaker without him. I think it will end draw, Barca won't score and we won't score either

_SuperFloren_ wrote:

RealGunner wrote:1) barcelona will have 70% of the ball, or more.

2) Madrid wouldn't be able to counter attack as well as they do with Ronaldo. Alves would Nulify Benzema, Alba would do likewise on the other wing. Higuain doesn't have blistering pace of Benzema/Ronaldo upfront

3) With the amount of Chances Barcelona will make with Xavi,Iniesta,Cesc and Busquets. You need a clinical finisher upfront, and you need a runner in behind. Heskey in barcelona shirt would score 15 a season never mind someone like Villa

The days were Barcelona created amount of chances with that midfield are over. Did you watch the recent classicos or the same Euro cup?? Barca could mantain posession and create 0 chances in a entire game without Messi.

Did you watch those games? Creating chances wasnt the problem against any of those teams, the problem was finishing them and with a hopefully fit Pedro and Villa it wouldnt be such a problem..

Barcelona would lose with or without Ronaldo.

Madrid will win IMO.

I dont see difference in madrid's play. Ronaldo is useless in actual play so Madrid still will play same game. problem would be scoring, but who knows what would happen if higuain and benzema played together? they never played together so we dont know

But messi involves in everything not just scoring so replacing him would be different barcelona

so its basically barcelona without messi vs full strength madrid

I think Real Madrid would play better without Ronaldo. Benzema's better at build up play. Barca rely on Messi more though.

billionmillion wrote:I dont see difference in madrid's play. Ronaldo is useless in actual play so Madrid still will play same game. problem would be scoring, but who knows what would happen if higuain and benzema played together? they never played together so we dont know

But messi involves in everything not just scoring so replacing him would be different barcelona

so its basically barcelona without messi vs full strength madrid

They did play together before
I prove you wrong in the other thread about ronaldo's overall play, and you continue to pull facts out of your ass. typical.

yeah higuain and benzema played together once and you said madrid played better without ronaldo and it was sexy to watch

in which thread you prove me wrong? maybe i ignored you. i think majority agrees that without goals ronaldo is an avarage player

billionmillion wrote:yeah higuain and benzema played together once and you said madrid played better without ronaldo and it was sexy to watch

in which thread you prove me wrong? maybe i ignored you. i think majority agrees that without goals ronaldo is an avarage player

Hold on, I didn't say madrid played better without ronaldo. Give me the quote where I said that. You didn't ignore me, you kept rambling and knowing you were beat, you said I knew nothing despite having loads of evidence

Madrid will win it quite easily, Villa's days as a top striker is sadly over, a 31 a long term injury makes you worse not better and his form pre-injury was nothing to write home about.

billionmillion wrote:I dont see difference in madrid's play. Ronaldo is useless in actual play so Madrid still will play same game. problem would be scoring, but who knows what would happen if higuain and benzema played together? they never played together so we dont know

But messi involves in everything not just scoring so replacing him would be different barcelona

so its basically barcelona without messi vs full strength madrid

your analysis are laughable at best.. Lawl

billionmillion wrote:yeah higuain and benzema played together once and you said madrid played better without ronaldo and it was sexy to watch

in which thread you prove me wrong? maybe i ignored you. i think majority agrees that without goals ronaldo is an avarage player

gigity clearly proved u wrong the other thread...

shame you don't remember.

on topic: i hope ronaldo is injured for one of the classicos.. so we see what france national team, aka real madrid, will do...