Re: With the latest signing, what are your expectations of Chelsea Next season?

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:10 pm

Busquets is basically the equivalent of Arteta though.....

Vidal, Gustavo and Khedira are more b2b than DM's.

De Jong is overrated as shown by how he is benched by Barry every week.

The only one there who is actually a DM and a physical presence there and good is Mikel.

Positional sense is always much more important than physical presence.

by the xcx Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:11 pm

Quarters of CL and 2nd-3rd place in EPL. Possibility of winning an Fa cup or carling.

by Onyx Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:11 pm

B2B = equivalent of a DM.

by S Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:14 pm

Please Mole dont tell me Vidal is not the destroyer in this Juventus team because he is..Highest no.of tackles in Europe for starters..

And Khedira is the destroyer at Madrid likewise Gustavo at Bayern as well although he's a DM for them..each team have varied setups..Madrid's and Juventus' setups are much more similar..

by Dutti Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:18 pm

Gil wrote:Think I'll have to start blocking people who rate Song now.

What he does on the ball eg. the occasional Hollywood ball which RVP volleys in first time or the odd piece of skill, is all very well and nice but what he does off it is why he's utter turd in my eyes.

He's a shite DM.

And please stop which this "dirty work" nonsense. That's exactly why scrubs like Scott "Scotty" Parker are highly rated or Gerrard is called a great CM.

As long as your positional sense is great you don't have to make Hollywood sliding tackles to be a great defensive presence on the pitch. It's why Madrid/United can get away with Alonso/Carrick in their teams.

Carrick, more often than not, has always been a ghost against top clubs. Just recall matches against City and Barca; it would have been better to play Giggs in midfield. United finished in top four for many seasons was thanks to other players like Valencia, Rooney, Ronaldo, etc.

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:20 pm

Surag wrote:Please Mole dont tell me Vidal is not the destroyer in this Juventus team because he is..Highest no.of tackles in Europe for starters..

Cabaye has the highest amount of tackles in the PL, is he a destroyer now?

Alonso won more tackles than Khedira last season etc etc.

It means nothing.

Just looking at Khedira's, Vidal and Gustavo's average positions will tell you that they are not DM's.

by S Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:29 pm

They arent DM's but they do the 'dirty work' in midfield no ?Which is why i call them 'destroyers' ..Gattuso was a destroyer in his prime too..

And i just used stats to reinforce my point but fact is Vidal is the destroyer of this team..

by Le Samourai Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:33 pm

He is a destroyer, just not a DM, just like Khedira.

Gustavo is different, he doesn't press high at all so I wouldn't charachterize him as a B2B , but he has decent passing range when he himself isn't pressed, I think I'd label him a true DM although he doesn't really need to be because Schweinstiger does alot of defensive work anyway.

Arteta played DM last year and it really looked like a natural position for him, although defensively he isn't perfect he isn't worse than the three above and Cazorla and especially Wilshire are defensively sound and can press high.

But wait....why doesn't anyone want Toulalon? probably a top 5 DM in the world right now and he plays for Malaga...........more importantly someone needs to buy him to ensure Camacho starts next season Twisted Evil

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:36 pm

Yeah they do but Arteta does that work, he does a lot better than Song does thats for sure.

Because of his size don't mean he doesn't do the " dirty work".

He is a fantastic DM in the same sense that Lucas, Mikel, Busquets or any other positional and intercepting DM are.

Go back to the original point, i don't really see what the issue would be with an Arteta-Sahin-Cazorla midfield.

And if there were an issue it wouldn't be personnel it would be a tactical issue.

by Onyx Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:41 pm

Surely they'd need some physicality and height in midfield?

by Gil Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:44 pm

Torres/Sturridge
Hazard Oscar Mata
Rami/Lamps Mikel

Love that team.

by RealGunner Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:51 pm

Big sam will destroy that team lol

by jibers Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:52 pm

RealGunner wrote:Big sam will destroy that team lol

With the latest signing, what are your expectations of Chelsea Next season? - Page 5 New_pi13

by kiranr Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:58 pm

jibers wrote:
RealGunner wrote:Big sam will destroy that team lol

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:04 pm

RealGunner wrote:Big sam will destroy that team lol

Carroll-Nolan-Cole :bow:

LMAO Jibers :bow:

by S Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:05 pm

Jibers is just too obsessed with Xavi Laughing

Twas funny nonetheless..

by RealGunner Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:20 pm

jibers wrote:
RealGunner wrote:Big sam will destroy that team lol

loooool

by S Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:34 pm

People might reassess their 'predictions' now seeing how the season has panned out for them so far hmm

Some bumpworthy quotes on here btw :coffee:

by Ganso Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:49 pm

Ganso wrote:It all depends if torres will score consistently or not imo.

with the likes of Hazard,Mata and Oscar behind him he should score at least 20-25 goals this season

Torres

by Lex Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:02 pm

vivabarca38 wrote:They should win CWC,Uefa Supercup and qualify for CL

Beautiful

by Donuts Tue Dec 18, 2012 7:23 am

Lex wrote:
vivabarca38 wrote:They should win CWC,Uefa Supercup and qualify for CL
Beautiful

That amazing jinx

by futbol Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:40 am

Chelsea's best player is Mata. A glorified second striker / wing-forward who's misunderstood to be a "playmaker" just because he's small, technical and Spanish. He barely gets into the Spain squad though. Which should tell you how good he really is.

Hazard is an overrated ball-hog. Also misunderstood to be a playmaker, simply for eclipsing the technical level of other English jewels such as Downing.

Oscar looks tidy.

Torres is the worst striker in Europe.

Ramires-Mikel is as average as a central midfield pair could be.

The whole backline is mediocre. F*ck that, they have David Luiz. The backline is a joke.

They have no depth.

They have no stability in the coaching department.

All in all they should finish behind Arsenal this season.

by S Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:07 am

futbol wrote:Chelsea's best player is Mata. A glorified second striker / wing-forward who's misunderstood to be a "playmaker" just because he's small, technical and Spanish. He barely gets into the Spain squad though. Which should tell you how good he really is.

Spot on with this assessment Thumbs up

Mata is no playmaker..Lampard is still their best midfielder which says a lot.

by fatman123 Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:15 am

Surag wrote:
futbol wrote:Chelsea's best player is Mata. A glorified second striker / wing-forward who's misunderstood to be a "playmaker" just because he's small, technical and Spanish. He barely gets into the Spain squad though. Which should tell you how good he really is.

Spot on with this assessment

Mata is no playmaker..Lampard is still their best midfielder which says a lot.

Dude

by the xcx Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:00 am

Surag wrote:
futbol wrote:Chelsea's best player is Mata. A glorified second striker / wing-forward who's misunderstood to be a "playmaker" just because he's small, technical and Spanish. He barely gets into the Spain squad though. Which should tell you how good he really is.

Spot on with this assessment

Mata is no playmaker..Lampard is still their best midfielder which says a lot.

nice way to badmouth RM Cantera legend like that, not cool. Rolling Eyes

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