With the latest signing, what are your expectations of Chelsea Next season?

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Post by Blue Barrett Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:33 am

^That backline was GOAT. Add a prime Essien beside Makelele and it just makes you want to cry Sad

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Post by Red Alert Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:15 am

Best midfield in the league?

That goes to City... you guys have no holding midfielder...
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Post by S Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:25 am

Well if the Cazorla and Sahin deals go through i would have no hesitation in calling Arsenal's midfield the best midfield in the PL even though they're missing a real DM in their starting lineup.

City is the 'logical' answer as of now though..DM-De Jong ,CM-Toure,AM-Silva..Definitely better than Chelsea's midfield no doubt..
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Post by Onyx Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:43 pm

Lack of top midfields nowadays. :coffee:

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Post by Gil Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:58 pm

Mikel is a million times better than Barry. Don't care if you don't rate him.

Yaya >>>>>>> Lampard these days sadly Sad

Hazard = Silva

Mata > C**tri

And they don't have an Oscar either. Very Happy

Arsenal have Song starting for them in midfield. Until they get rid of that tosser they're not in contention.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:02 pm

If Arsenal do sign Cazorla and Sahin they shit over everyone else.

Mata and Hazard dont count because they don't contribute anything to the middle of the pitch.

They are more forwards than they are midfielders.

Currently it is City by a distance.

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Post by Onyx Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:07 pm

Barry and Yaya are the best midfielders? hmm

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:13 pm

mtfootball wrote:Barry and Yaya are the best midfielders? hmm

Nope lol, but City's whole midfield together makes it the best as Nasri and Silva basically act as extra playmakers contributing to the midfield.

Basically it's the best midfield unit.

Using Chelsea to compare they have Oscar, Lampard and Mikel or Ramires depending on what you prefer it's good but City's is better.

Arsenal with Cazorla and Sahin would beat them all though IMO, Cazorla, Sahin and Arteta is a poor mans Busixaviesta if they ever was one but it's still f*cking GOAT and beats any other midfield in the league IMO.

But that's all ifs and buts, currently City's wins.
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Post by S Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:17 pm

On what basis can one come to the conclusion that Chelsea's midfield is the best midfield in the PL ? scratch

The likes of Oscar are yet to play a competitive game for Chelsea(I mean he's still a baby with not much experience under his belt)..Lets not go that far.Hazard is a winger and Silva is way better than Mata(which is a much more apt comparison).

I would take Yaya-De Jong/Barry over Mikel-Lampard as well..


But if the Sahin ,Cazorla deals go through..

Song-Sahin-Wilshere/Arteta

Cazorla

Thats a fapworthy midfield right there..best midfield in PL definitely
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Post by Onyx Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:19 pm

Not sure they'd get both Sahin and Cazorla. They also have Wilshere to come back and there's also Ramsey, Arteta etc.

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Post by S Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:21 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Cazorla,Sahin and Arteta is a poor mans Busixaviesta

And who is going to be the destroyer if Arsenal do lineup such a midfield ?Thats a defensively fragile midfield,i definitely expect Song to be in the starting lineup with Cazorla playing as a wide AM sort of in a 4-3-3..Thats what I picture would happen..
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Post by Onyx Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:23 pm

How about just getting M'Vila for 10-12m and playing 2 of those CM's in front of him? hmm

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:28 pm

Song will be benched if Cazorla and Sahin come and Wilshere wont be fit till god knows when.

Midfield 3 will be Arteta-Sahin-Cazorla and Walcott-Giroud-Podolski ahead of them.

Arsenal have two many wide players to play any sort of narrow system.

The reason they want Sahin on loan is because of Wilshere's injury issues i don't think they will sign him permanently.

What's fragile about it Surag? Arteta is the best DM at the club and fulfills the " busquets" role to a tee and is excellent at it, Sahin is a fantastic regista with good defensive capabilities and Cazorla is the closet thing around to Iniesta.

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Post by Onyx Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:33 pm

Real Madrid don't want to sell Sahin.

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Post by S Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:40 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:What's fragile about it Surag? Arteta is the best DM at the club and fulfills the " busquets" role to a tee and is excellent at it, Sahin is a fantastic regista with good defensive capabilities and Cazorla is the closet thing around to Iniesta.

As in there is no real defensive presence in that midfield..And since when is Arteta is known to be a defensively capable player ?I mean he's surely not the guy that you would bank on to do the dirty work in midfield ?

Again this is the same team with no proper DM that leaked in the most goals of the top sides if i'm correct ?
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:45 pm

lol, Arteta is fantastic defensively he was the deepest midfielder last season.

Physical presence is overrated, the reason Arsenal concede goals is a system and tactical reason more than a personnel reason.

Ask any Arsenal fan on here on how Arteta performed last season, the main reason they leaked more goals than anyone else because of the constant injuries they had.

The fact Arsenal's midfield fell apart when Arteta didn't play said it all.


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Post by Lex Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:47 pm

Arteta was the one who stole the ball from Pizarro and slammed it in against City
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Post by Gil Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:52 pm

Think I'll have to start blocking people who rate Song now. Laughing

What he does on the ball eg. the occasional Hollywood ball which RVP volleys in first time or the odd piece of skill, is all very well and nice but what he does off it is why he's utter turd in my eyes.

He's a shite DM.

And please stop which this "dirty work" nonsense. That's exactly why scrubs like Scott "Scotty" Parker are highly rated or Gerrard is called a great CM.

As long as your positional sense is great you don't have to make Hollywood sliding tackles to be a great defensive presence on the pitch. It's why Madrid/United can get away with Alonso/Carrick in their teams.
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Post by Lex Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:54 pm

So we're not allowed to rate Song as a DM, or just in general?
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Post by urbaNRoots Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:58 pm

Gil wrote:He's a shite DM.

Song is not a DM, it's like saying Xavi is a shite DM Laughing

Arsenal currently have 0 DM's in the team.

Also City has the best midfield at the moment. It's not even a question.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:02 pm

Gil wrote:
As long as your positional sense is great you don't have to make Hollywood sliding tackles to be a great defensive presence on the pitch.

Thumbs up Positional sense is always more important than physical presence and strong tackling.

DM's that rush around blowing out fires i find incredibly overrated, give me an a DM who intercepts and hardly ever out of position every day of the week.
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Post by Onyx Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:02 pm

Real Madrid have Khedira in the team. :coffee:

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Post by S Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:03 pm

Just because 'destroyers' are not good on the ball doesnt make them scrubs..

Khedira for example is not the greatest player attacking wise but he still gets the job done for Madrid ,what the coach asks him to do..

Every top team have atleast one destroyer in their setup..Bayern-Gustavo,Juventus-Vidal,Madrid-Khedira,Chelsea-Mikel,City-De Jong,Barcelona-Busquets,United-well i dont know if they even have a midfield..

So yeah talk all crap you want but ball winners in midfield is of perennial importance..

Maybe the search function sucks but i do remember you making a song is world class thread ,i'm unable to find it unfortunately..
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Post by Gil Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:04 pm



Lex wrote:So we're not allowed to rate Song as a DM, or just in general?
Only if he's playing AM for a midtable club. Or a solid bench player.
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Post by Gil Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:08 pm

Bayern don't play with a destroyer. United never have. Arsenal won't if they sign Cazorla. Madrid don't. Barcelona don't. Chelsea don't. City don't. Jube don't. etc etc
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:10 pm

Busquets is basically the equivalent of Arteta though.....

Vidal, Gustavo and Khedira are more b2b than DM's.

De Jong is overrated as shown by how he is benched by Barry every week.

The only one there who is actually a DM and a physical presence there and good is Mikel.

Positional sense is always much more important than physical presence.

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