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Post by Mr Nick09 Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:08 am

I didnt get to watch him but bill might be right that mourinho will try to keep him, but doesnt he himself want more playing time? he can stay and compete ofc.

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Post by Ganso Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:21 am

it was albania b/c though........milito looked like vidic
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Post by alex mahone Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:34 am

@nick:
right, playing time, he's like 25 now iirc, maybe doesn't want to be on rotation, hope he'll do awesome out there

@ganso:
LOL, good point, even though that didn't make di maria looked like robben Razz
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Post by Ganso Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:27 am

Meh he didn't get a lot of playing time though.I bet he would do better than tevez if he stayed in the second half
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Post by Mr Nick09 Tue Jun 21, 2011 4:07 pm

So, despite PSG looking like a strong favorite for Varane signing, it seems like we are actually winning that battle. It appears that Varane is showing a preference towards RM, and will announce later today which club he is joining. His mom is showing a preference towards him joining PSG, but the kid wants Real. Good job Zizou.

I think this is a very good signing, i keep on reading praises about him, and when you look at the clubs following him, you know he is the real deal. Now, i think this will serve as a platform to see just how smart our signing unit has become. L'Equipe mentions that we arent willing to loan, which is the wrong thing to do ofc, as with only 20+ games at top level he needs to keep on playing. It only makes sense to loan him back to the 1st division club in france, the higher up the table the better.
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Post by guest7 Tue Jun 21, 2011 5:28 pm

Gago has always been good, but too injury-prone and no match to Xabi, Sahin or Khedira at the moment.



A really good game by him back in the days.
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Post by Guiltybystander Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:15 pm

It is rumoured that Manchester United will make a bid for Xabi Alonso, upping his wages with quite a bit.

That seems highly unlikely though, given his Liverpool past and how important he is for RM.

Source: Cadena Star radio?
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Post by Guest Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:39 pm

That would be such a dumb move for Varane to come to Madrid at this point of his career. I know everyone around him, including his parents, are pushing him to PSG. He needs playing time.

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Post by Mr. Festim Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:32 pm

Hey guys anyone knows anything about Varane and what are his skills.? And sorry that I haven't been active on the forum cause I'm too busy right now cause I have to study for a test that will decide if I'm good enough to be accepted at university.
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Post by EarlyPrototype Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:12 pm

L'Equipe suggests that Varane could announce his move to Madrid today and that we are in very advanced talks.
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Post by Guest Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:31 pm

I don't like this too much for Varane. But anyhow..

Physical specimen. Big, strong, fast and nasty. He's 1.91m and 85kg at 18 years of age... he still has a little bit of filling out to do.

You can pretty much forget our problems on set pieces through the air.

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Post by Mr Nick09 Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:36 pm

I really dont think we will take him with us this season, i really dont. Two more seasons in France would be great for him.
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Post by Guest Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:39 pm

Detailed description, with video, of Varane

http://www.ttfootball.net/2011/04/26/scout-report-raphael-varane/

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Post by EarlyPrototype Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:43 pm

I think that is the only reason he is moving to Madrid there must be an agreement between the two of loaning him out to France.
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Post by Mr Nick09 Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:46 pm

I've been watching this lad play over the last few days and while I have only watched him eight times I feel pretty safe in saying he has all the tools required to become an excellent player. In fact for someone who just turned 18 a few weeks ago it's remarkable how complete and ready he already is. His L'Équipe rating based on 19 starts this season is 5.53 (for reference league leader Mamadou Sakho is 6.10) which makes him Lens's best player according to them (the site currently lists Adil Hermach, 5.36, as their best player but I assume that's because you have to have a certain number of starts to qualify for that list and Varane's 19 isn't enough), so we're not just talking about potential we're talking about someone who has already been putting in some very good (and consistent, his individual match ratings this season have all been 5s and 6s apart from two 4s and one 7) performances. So with that introductory spiel out of the way here are some of my thoughts:

The first thing to note about Raphaël Varane is that he has a weird ë in his name. The second thing to note is his physique. According to L'Équipe he is already 1.91m (6 ft 3) tall and weighs 85kg. He's also fairly agile and while he's no sprinter he is definitely not slow either. So the physical foundation is clearly there, it's just a matter of him learning to use his body to his advantage. He's already good in the air (his aerial duel success rate is 70% according to WhoScored.com, though I should note that he generally lets his CBs (if he is playing DM) or his CB partner deal with most of the aerial situations) but when it comes to using his body in close marking situations he can still improve. For example against Bordeaux last week he had some difficulties dealing with Diabate's physical presence and his back-to-goal play. I don't want to make it sound like he was struggling badly because he wasn't, and even though Diabete was able to hold up the ball and shield it from Varane relatively comfortably it never led to any dangerous situations, but a more physical and experienced CB would have been able to shut down Diabate even better. All that said given the physical tools he has there is no reason to think he won't be able to develop those skills in the future.

His physique isn't his biggest strength however, his biggest strengths are his tactical skills. His positioning, both as a DM and as a CB, is excellent, as is his awareness of his surroundings. His anticipation is also very good and it helps him make a lot of interceptions (2.9 per match according to WhoScored.com (and they get their stats straight from Opta in case you are unfamiliar with their site)). In everything he does he really exhibits a composure and maturity that is remarkable (there's that word again) for someone so young.

When he goes in for a tackle he almost always stays on his feet instead of sliding in, and my eyeball test says his success rate is ok, but he is definitely more of an interceptor than a tackler and in general prefers to keep the player in front of him and try to block the passing lanes and his path rather than going straight for the ball. The one exception I've noticed is when he has a player in front of him with his back to goal and the ball is coming into his (the player's) feet, he is quite aggressive in trying to slip round him and get his foot to the ball before he can receive the pass, which can at times leave him exposed to being turned. It's not a major concern but something where experience will help him in choosing the right moments to go for it.

My early impression of his technical skills is positive. I don't want to speak definitely because even though his passing stats on lfp.fr claim he attempts c. 40 passes per match he hasn't been that involved in Lens's passing play in the matches I watched. Particularly when he played as a DM his off the ball movement when Lens were in possession was a little passive for my taste. That said Lens don't really care much for extended spells of possession and instead prefer a direct style, playing the ball quickly to the flanks then trying to get crosses into the box, so if played in a more possession-oriented system it's possible he would be more active.

There have however been small glimpses of good control, first touch and one-touch passing and even in tight spaces under pressure he doesn't panic. He also seems comfortable passing the ball with either foot. He always looks to play the ball out of defense rather than hoofing it upfield or out of play. His overall pass completion rate is on the low side (76%/WhoScored.com) but from the eyeball test I can say his first instinct is to play the ball forward and I really can't remember too many occasions (nor do I have anything in my notes) of him passing it back to his goalkeeper, so 76% isn't that bad. One thing he could work on is his pass selection. At times (and I don't want to make this seem like a bigger deal than it is) he chooses passes which put his team mates under mild pressure, like when a team mate is coming towards him with an opposition player right on his heels, it doesn't really accomplish anything passing the ball to him so choose another option. But again, it's not a glaring flaw by any means.

As for his position I like him best as a CB. When he plays in central defense he plays almost like a sweeper, letting Yahia deal with all the grunt work and just tidying up all the loose balls that slip through. While a very physical striker could target him and cause him problems I like his defensive qualities so much that that possibility wouldn't deter me from playing him at CB.

When he plays as a DM in a 4-1-4-1 system he plays almost as a third CB and his performances in that role have all been very good. The only time I didn't like what I saw was when he played as a DM in a 4-2-3-1. There he got forward more, and generally played a more advanced role and I don't think that was the best use of his skills (at least at this moment in time). He wasn't as good defensively and his passing/on the ball/attacking qualities weren't enough to make up for it. If he were to join United I think playing him at CB would definitely be the best use of his skills.

Which I guess brings me to the only thing people actually care about, should United try to sign him? While I generally try to stay away from such comments since there are so many factors involved I have no way of knowing, I will say that if Brown leaves this summer (and my feeling/guess is that he will) then he needs to be replaced and I think Varane could be an excellent replacement. In my opinion he is already good enough to start some matches for United, especially if paired with Rio or Vidic, and obviously still has a lot of potential for improvement. I also like that in style he is similar to Rio and I think he could give Evans some much needed competition for the "Rio's replacement" job (as a tangent, some people seem to still consider Smalling Rio's replacement but for me his style and skill set is much more Vidic than it is Rio). If Brown doesn't leave then we don't need a new CB and any potential signing would depend more on how Sir Alex sees Smalling and Evans (and to a lesser extent Gill/Wootton/Thorpe etc) fitting into the long term plans of United's central defense, but based on what I have seen I would say the special talent clause applies here and if the reported £3m price tag is accurate then I think it would still be worth trying to sign him even if it meant loaning him out somewhere for a year or maybe even two. So I guess even though I don't like saying we should try to sign this player I'm saying we should try to sign this player. Oh well.
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Post by EarlyPrototype Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:00 am

I guess this article was written before United signed Jones.
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Post by Mr Nick09 Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:03 am

yh i got it from redcafe, i thought it looked like an unbiased outlook at the kid. Just to get some idea. Professionals in France are indeed praising his tactical awareness and calmness and maturity on the pitch, paired with a remrkable body already, without him looking like a mover. Muscular, long and lean, with great sense of positioning. If he works on his passing and technique he will look very interesting.
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Post by EarlyPrototype Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:08 am

Yeh was a good read I actually have some insight into his talents now, thanks.
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Post by Onyx Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:50 am

Drenthe close to Benfica.

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Post by hrealmadrid Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:45 am

Could be included in the deal perhaps?
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Post by Guest Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:42 am

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:yh i got it from redcafe, i thought it looked like an unbiased outlook at the kid. Just to get some idea. Professionals in France are indeed praising his tactical awareness and calmness and maturity on the pitch, paired with a remrkable body already, without him looking like a mover. Muscular, long and lean, with great sense of positioning. If he works on his passing and technique he will look very interesting.

He's a beast... that's i want him to stay in League 1 and play a lot. Playing sparingly would really stop him right now. If we get him, i truly hope there's already a loan deal in place.

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Post by Mr Nick09 Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:46 am

sportsczy wrote:
St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:yh i got it from redcafe, i thought it looked like an unbiased outlook at the kid. Just to get some idea. Professionals in France are indeed praising his tactical awareness and calmness and maturity on the pitch, paired with a remrkable body already, without him looking like a mover. Muscular, long and lean, with great sense of positioning. If he works on his passing and technique he will look very interesting.

He's a beast... that's i want him to stay in League 1 and play a lot. Playing sparingly would really stop him right now. If we get him, i truly hope there's already a loan deal in place.

To me there is no doubt. We cant keep him signing young players, putting them on the bench and burying them, at some point, some are gonna look the other way, it kinda bothers me.

I'm sure Zidane and co recognize that he isnt needed for the present time, it's an investment we are making, specially when Ramos/pep/carv/albiol are the CBs. He will have a chance to partner Ramos long term.
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sportsczy wrote:
St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:yh i got it from redcafe, i thought it looked like an unbiased outlook at the kid. Just to get some idea. Professionals in France are indeed praising his tactical awareness and calmness and maturity on the pitch, paired with a remrkable body already, without him looking like a mover. Muscular, long and lean, with great sense of positioning. If he works on his passing and technique he will look very interesting.

He's a beast... that's i want him to stay in League 1 and play a lot. Playing sparingly would really stop him right now. If we get him, i truly hope there's already a loan deal in place.

To me there is no doubt. We cant keep him signing young players, putting them on the bench and burying them, at some point, some are gonna look the other way, it kinda bothers me.

I'm sure Zidane and co recognize that he isnt needed for the present time, it's an investment we are making, specially when Ramos/pep/carv/albiol are the CBs. He will have a chance to partner Ramos long term.

Even Getafe would be fine or some other La Liga team. I would prefer PSG because, not only he would play, he would get exposure to true pressure. If you put him in one of the other meh teams... he doesn't get that training.

He's too green to contribute to Madrid right now as a regular. He's not at the level of Pepe, Ramos, Carvalho or Albiol. Needs a couple of years.

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Post by Mr Nick09 Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:57 am

Him being 18, i think it's better he stays in France, closer to his family. On top of it, it;s a chance to play in a more physical league and nurture his body.

PSG is turning the leaf and getting into a whole new level, i doubt they want to take a player they know they will lose soon, given the kind of ambition they have.

I was thinking Lille, since their president was interested. They lost rami, and eventhough they have an excellent academy, Varane is a gem. If not, Lorient can be good, playing under Gourcuff, maybe Rennes but they have a set pair of CB... has to be a team playing the EL at least no?
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Post by Guest Wed Jun 22, 2011 3:04 am

The thing is that these loan deals don't work out very well for League 1 clubs like Lille because they make most of their profits on player sales... so unless Madrid has some sort of bonus they have to pay Lille at the end of the loan, it doesn't make business sense for them.

Btw, look like Moussa Sissoko is either going to Lyon, Liverpool or Arsenal.

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Post by futbol_bill Wed Jun 22, 2011 3:10 am

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:Him being 18, i think it's better he stays in France, closer to his family. On top of it, it;s a chance to play in a more physical league and nurture his body.

PSG is turning the leaf and getting into a whole new level, i doubt they want to take a player they know they will lose soon, given the kind of ambition they have.

I was thinking Lille, since their president was interested. They lost rami, and eventhough they have an excellent academy, Varane is a gem. If not, Lorient can be good, playing under Gourcuff, maybe Rennes but they have a set pair of CB... has to be a team playing the EL at least no?

Nick, Sportczy, The article I read said he was coming to Madrid. Whether he ends up with Real this year depends on how Mou evaluates him in training camp. Article then said if he isn't deemed fit, they would put him on Castilla. That doesn't make sense to me given what you have said about him and Castilla stll being 3rd level. I suspect if he doesn't make it in training camp then they will look to lend him out, maybe even have a pre arranged deal with some French club. However I do wonder about the try to make it at training camp. I still think that's the situation with Morata. If he does make it he could be used as Lass' replacement plus as a CB reserve (hopefully ahead of Albiol). In other words his flexibility will get him more playing time and with existing Madrid plans, the squad numbers are still ok.

In other news looks like Coentrao deal will soon be announced and it looks like it will be Drenthe included.
Madrid begin negioiations for Neymar on Thursday. Still don't know if this is a buy and loan deal, Neymar instead of Aquero or that they are trying to buy both. But, it seems pretty obvious they are trying to buy him now. Meanwhile the Aquero news has pretty much dried out so I beginning to think it's one or the other (and Benz out).
I still think the 3rd striker will be either Adebayor or Morata.
I'm now beginning to agree with you that Lass is likely gone although I'm not totally convinced.
And finally I'm desperately hoping there is something to these stories that Kaka will go and at the same time hoping Barca go for Cesc so that we can try tio get Thiago.
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