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Post by Albiceleste Fri Mar 30, 2012 7:35 pm

Who is the better player?

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Post by Baraa Fri Mar 30, 2012 7:39 pm

if you are comparing them as CBs , then definitley Ramos.
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Post by Albiceleste Fri Mar 30, 2012 9:30 pm

Mascherano is a better tackler, marker and defender. Ramos is better in the air, slightly better on the ball, hes also stronger and arguably faster. Also Mascherano commits less fouls and gets less bookings.

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Post by Lord Hades Fri Mar 30, 2012 9:34 pm

didnt ramos have the highest tackles , least dribbled player stat or something?
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Post by StevieRayVaughan Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:32 pm

As a CB, I would take Ramos. Masch's height for me is a big problem, but he is a better tackler. But if I had a choice in Atleti to take either one, I would take Masherano anyday and play him in his natural position.

Side note: To think, there was a time when Liverpool had Mash, Alonso, and Gerrard as their mid players...

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Post by Madvillain Sun Apr 01, 2012 8:10 pm

Badger the tackling God misses mostly height to win this. If he were 20 cm longer this wouldn't even be a contest. Cool
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Post by Albiceleste Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:09 pm

Mascherano has started and won a CL final :coffee:

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Post by che Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:12 pm

why do people still think height is an issue? mascherano is like 2cm shorter than cannavaro ffs...
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Post by Seppuku Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:14 pm

If you don't have height you need to have at least a good jump on you.

He doesn't.
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Post by Guest Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:41 pm

Albiceleste wrote:Mascherano has started and won a CL final :coffee:

Whats your point?

Ramos has started and won a World Cup final :coffee:

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Post by Le Samourai Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:42 pm

Crimson wrote:
Albiceleste wrote:Mascherano has started and won a CL final :coffee:

Whats your point?

Ramos has started and won a World Cup final :coffee:

And actually had shit to do in that final :coffee:
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:14 am

Le Samourai wrote:
Crimson wrote:
Albiceleste wrote:Mascherano has started and won a CL final :coffee:

Whats your point?

Ramos has started and won a World Cup final :coffee:

And actually had shit to do in that final :coffee:

The best defenders are the ones that stop attackers while looking like they have done very little.

Oh yh Mascherano for me he's been faultless this season, while i cant say the same for Ramos.

Also i laugh at the height issue he's played CB practically all season against the likes of Llorente, Ibra etc etc

And not once look like having problems dealing with them.

I know he was a fantastic DM before but i truly believe he's a better CB than he ever was a DM and i really mean it.
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Post by Die Borussen Wed Apr 04, 2012 1:04 am

varane>ramos>mascherano

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Post by Sushi Master Wed Apr 04, 2012 1:14 am

Mascherano has been a total beast.

The height issue ain't much a problem when you play possession. I mean, it's not like Puyol is very tall and we all know his class.

Ramos is good too, but he still needs to work on his positioning for me to call him world class or whatever.
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Post by Tomasso Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:09 am

Hey did you see how great Mascherano's positioning was on the Nocerino goal?

That makes it clear to me that Mascherano is a better defender than Sergio Ramos.
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Post by Le Samourai Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:13 am

Mascherano is better as a man marker.
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Post by Sushi Master Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:19 am

Tomasso wrote:Hey did you see how great Mascherano's positioning was on the Nocerino goal?

That makes it clear to me that Mascherano is a better defender than Sergio Ramos.
A single mistake doesn't kill off a very solid season.

Josh... man marker? What's the alternative? A better zonal marker?
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Post by Le Samourai Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:23 am

Mascherano sticks to his guy, it costs him sometimes but it's representative of his overall discipline as a defender.

Ramos roams and depends on his ability to read the play alot more.I would never depend on Ramos to man mark anyone because he simply lacks the discipline for it.

Ramos also has a couple key flaws in his game, mainly he relaxes on low crosses far too much and gets beat on the near post.Any player who makes intelligent runs he'll have problems against really because he simply hasn't fully acclimatized to playing centrally.

Ramos has aspects of his game which have made him Madrid's most important player this season , but I'm not sure how those qualities fit into the argument of him being a better centre back. Maybe a better defender, but not a better Centre Back.



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Post by Sushi Master Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:26 am

When it comes to the "smart" sort of defender, positioning is one of the key attributes I look for in a player.

Ramos hasn't played his whole career at CB, so he probably needs more time to adjust.
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Post by Le Samourai Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:30 am

Sushi Master wrote:When it comes to the "smart" sort of defender, positioning is one of the key attributes I look for in a player.

Ramos hasn't played his whole career at CB, so he probably needs more time to adjust.

Positioning is derived from discipline and experience, Ramos is severely lacking in both at this particular position.

He's amazing, but he's flawed.
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Post by CBarca Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:42 am

To be honest, even with Mascherano fking up on the goal.

He was absolute class today. NOTHING got past him.

That goal doesn't happen I give it a 10/10 perfect score, but unfortunately he did mess up.

Either way it's Mascherano for me, but that's cause I like him, and I don't like Ramos Very Happy

I also think he's better but...yeah
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Post by Albiceleste Wed Apr 04, 2012 6:42 pm



:coffee:

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Post by guest7 Wed Apr 04, 2012 6:44 pm

Still was at blame for the Nocerino goal :coffee:
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Post by manlio Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:08 pm

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Post by billy_gr Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:16 pm

Overall I’d say Ramos can help more since he can take care of aerial battles better.
Mache’s tackling ability is probably the best there is right now though
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