Xavi vs Pirlo

looks like Pirlo currently, stastistic wise, make's Xavi look like his bitch.

Yeah. The amount of long balls, shots taken and interceptions clearly prove how superior Pirlo is. That's how football works. While we're at it why don't we compare their FM statistics. Like "pace", "strenght" etc.

In other words. I'll just leave this here:

Pirlo without a Euro cup >>> Xavi with a WC + euro

trophies are won by the team, not just one player

I suppose he's better then messi too s he's not won the WC

Also, Pirlo is better looking than Xavi, check dem slugs.

Pirlo > Xavi. End of story.

To be the man,you got to beat the man.
When it mattered Xavi wiped the floor with Pirlo and left him crying.And Xavi has been imperious this season.Pirlo getting supposedly superior teams in a poor leaggue doesnt change that.
Useless stats aside,if Barca meet Juventus,the result will be the same. Xavi wiping the floor with Pirlo.

Both are class. Pirlo has more flair while Xavi has more control.

Xavi never wiped the floor with Pirlo. Italy played an experiment lineup and it backfired. When Italy played with a familiar lineup, Pirlo outplayed Xavi. Also, if Barca beats Juve at some.point, it will not be because of Xavi. It will be because of Messi. Also, head to head is not very credible because there are 20 other players on the pitch. Ill use an american football example. Tom Brady cannot beat Eli Manning. Manning has his number, but i have a friend who is a die hard Giants fan, and even he admits that Eli is not on Bradys level. Another comparison: if head to head is what proves something, then Ronaldo is better than Messi, since Ronaldo and Madrid have come out on top recently in the Classicos. So as i said, theres other players on the field. Pirlo has been dominant, one of the best in the world in his position or sometimes even the best, consistently for 10 years now. Xavi has had 4 good years, before that he was a nobody. Weird that he exploded when Messi came around...

juventus101 wrote:Xavi never wiped the floor with Pirlo. Italy played an experiment lineup and it backfired. When Italy played with a familiar lineup, Pirlo outplayed Xavi. Also, if Barca beats Juve at some.point, it will not be because of Xavi. It will be because of Messi. Also, head to head is not very credible because there are 20 other players on the pitch. Ill use an american football example. Tom Brady cannot beat Eli Manning. Manning has his number, but i have a friend who is a die hard Giants fan, and even he admits that Eli is not on Bradys level. Another comparison: if head to head is what proves something, then Ronaldo is better than Messi, since Ronaldo and Madrid have come out on top recently in the Classicos. So as i said, theres other players on the field. Pirlo has been dominant, one of the best in the world in his position or sometimes even the best, consistently for 10 years now. Xavi has had 4 good years, before that he was a nobody. Weird that he exploded when Messi came around...

don't embaras yourself

Who was he before Messi exploded in 08? Okay he wasnt a nobody, but he wasnt anywhere near Pirlos level. To claim he was is just ridiculous.

Cabaye>both, unless they dominate EPL.
Either of them should come to United to prove themselves.

Disgraceful fanboys rule this thread.

juventus101 wrote:Who was he before Messi exploded in 08?

watch the games and see for yourself. the fact that Deco was orchestrating the game and he played a deeper role didn't make him less vital for the team.
Anyway you go with the "he was just an OK player" if that makes you feel better, but you'd still be wrong

Xavi was not anywhere near Pirlos level pre-2008. Pirlo plays a deeper role, yet atill controls the game. Xavi played a deeper role and WAS less effective. So again,.he was not anywhere near Pirlos level pre-2008.

alexjanosik wrote:To be the man,you got to beat the man.
When it mattered Xavi wiped the floor with Pirlo and left him crying.And Xavi has been imperious this season.Pirlo getting supposedly superior teams in a poor leaggue doesnt change that.
Useless stats aside,if Barca meet Juventus,the result will be the same. Xavi wiping the floor with Pirlo.

What's funny is some people actually might follow this crude, baseless logic lmao

Thats crude and baseless but comparing two midfielders by stats, even though they dont play the same position is fine?

The Franchise wrote:Thats crude and baseless but comparing two midfielders by stats, even though they dont play the same position is fine?

No, I never advocated that either
but saying x is better than y because x's team would beat y's is just as bad as saying x is better because his passing accuracy is 89.6 and y's is 89.4

The point im trying to get at is, that post isnt the worse on the page, let alone the entire thread.

The Franchise wrote:The point im trying to get at is, that post isnt the worse on the page, let alone the entire thread.

Fair enough but two wrongs don't make a right

The Franchise wrote:The point im trying to get at is, that post isnt the worse on the page, let alone the entire thread.

The Franchise wrote:I find it very hard to believe, a player as static as Pirlo can do what Xavi does. And as good as Pirlo is at passing, he still isnt on Xavi's level by any measure. Through balls, consistency, passing under pressure...Pirlo is great, but Xavi is another step up.

Its sort of like how people insisted Cesc was just as good, maybe some still believe it IDK, but if it wasnt clear before, its clear now he really isnt on that level.

I find it very funny people say Pirlo is better defensively, he cant defend a traffic cone.

Pirlo has done well under different systems? Which?

Juve and old Milan really dont play that much of a different style at all.

And yet i find this incredibly biased post from you good sir.


First off i wasnt even trying to make a comparison here..It was just some random stats i found across the net that i decided to post..

Besides a Barca fan initiated this argument when he started talking smack about Xavi and 'assists' on another thread which urged me to post it here.

Although everyone in this thread have unanimously agreed that it comes down to preferences in the end and have acknowledged both as legendary midfielders in their own right.

Its an opinion, you dont have to agree with it, but there is nothing outragous about it nor is it based on something stupid.

Basing opinions on stats (for a midfielder) or saying Xavi was a nobody at any point in time, in fact, is.

But you cant point fingers at others when you make biased posts like that yourself.

And Saying 'Xavi's passing is on a whole another level' is infact outrageous and all but portrays fanboyism.

First of all, everyones post here is bias. Dont be so niave.

Second, I am not talking about peoples bias post. I am talking about posts lacking in logic.

If someone wants to be bias, then thats normal, but to say factually inaccuarate things, or things lacking the correct perspective, then obviously thats different.

Thirdly, his passing is in my opinion..its an opinion and I could back it up.

I would like someone to try and back up Xavi being a nobody before Pep, or trying to justify the use of stats for two players playing different positions.

Finally, my recent post was only made to say, Alex's post wasnt that bad in comparison to some of the others being mentioned. My intention is not to criticise anyone, rather protect someone, because it was unfair.

juventus101 wrote:Xavi was not anywhere near Pirlos level pre-2008. Pirlo plays a deeper role, yet atill controls the game. Xavi played a deeper role and WAS less effective. So again,.he was not anywhere near Pirlos level pre-2008.

kindly elaborate on how he was less efective.
he was played out of possition and yet he was a vital part of Rjkard's team.
The fact that the like of Ronie and Deco orchestrated the game doesn't make his contribution less significant. And again, he was utilized in a different role than the one he realy shines in

The Franchise wrote:First of all, everyones post here is bias. Dont be so niave.

Second, I am not talking about peoples bias post. I am talking about posts lacking in logic.

If someone wants to be bias, then thats normal, but to say factually inaccuarate things, or things lacking the correct perspective, then obviously thats different.

Thirdly, his passing is in my opinion..its an opinion and I could back it up.

I would like someone to try and back up Xavi being a nobody before Pep, or trying to justify the use of stats for two players playing different positions.

Finally, my recent post was only made to say, Alex's post wasnt that bad in comparison to some of the others being mentioned. My intention is not to criticise anyone, rather protect someone, because it was unfair.

Not really , unless you be Barcelona fan or juventus/Milan fan which as a matter of a fact you are (based on ur profile)

Epoto wrote:

The Franchise wrote:First of all, everyones post here is bias. Dont be so niave.

Second, I am not talking about peoples bias post. I am talking about posts lacking in logic.

If someone wants to be bias, then thats normal, but to say factually inaccuarate things, or things lacking the correct perspective, then obviously thats different.

Thirdly, his passing is in my opinion..its an opinion and I could back it up.

I would like someone to try and back up Xavi being a nobody before Pep, or trying to justify the use of stats for two players playing different positions.

Finally, my recent post was only made to say, Alex's post wasnt that bad in comparison to some of the others being mentioned. My intention is not to criticise anyone, rather protect someone, because it was unfair.

Not really , unless you be Barcelona fan or juventus/Milan fan which as a matter of a fact you are (based on ur profile)

Nice fact Seriously, it's a debate that people assess. Of course there will be biased answers when a player from your club is compared to another person from another club...

Fact is, right now, Xavi and Pirlo are both elite, world class misfielders. I believe Pirlo is bettrt, but thats all opinion. Anothr fact is, Pirlo has been playing at this level for a decade. Xavis been at this level for 4 years. And for all of those 4 years, Xavi has been supported by a player alot of people believe will become the best of all time, if hes not already. Pirlo never had that. Its not iust a coincidence that Xavi and Messi exploded at the same time. Xavi was coming up on 30 when Mssai exploded, so its also not that he only now in the last 4 years reached his potential. Messi makes Xavi look on par with Pirlo. Take Messi out of the equation, such as pre-2008, and its clear for all to see that Xavi is the better player.

juventus101 wrote:Fact is, right now, Xavi and Pirlo are both elite, world class misfielders. I believe Pirlo is bettrt, but thats all opinion. Anothr fact is, Pirlo has been playing at this level for a decade. Xavis been at this level for 4 years. And for all of those 4 years, Xavi has been supported by a player alot of people believe will become the best of all time, if hes not already. Pirlo never had that. Its not iust a coincidence that Xavi and Messi exploded at the same time. Xavi was coming up on 30 when Mssai exploded, so its also not that he only now in the last 4 years reached his potential. Messi makes Xavi look on par with Pirlo. Take Messi out of the equation, such as pre-2008, and its clear for all to see that Xavi is the better player.

juventus101 wrote:Fact is, right now, Xavi and Pirlo are both elite, world class misfielders. I believe Pirlo is bettrt, but thats all opinion. Anothr fact is, Pirlo has been playing at this level for a decade. Xavis been at this level for 4 years. And for all of those 4 years, Xavi has been supported by a player alot of people believe will become the best of all time, if hes not already. Pirlo never had that. Its not iust a coincidence that Xavi and Messi exploded at the same time. Xavi was coming up on 30 when Mssai exploded, so its also not that he only now in the last 4 years reached his potential. Messi makes Xavi look on par with Pirlo. Take Messi out of the equation, such as pre-2008, and its clear for all to see that Xavi is the better player.

How has Pirlo been at this level for 10 years?For around 3 years near the end of his Milan tenure he was poor.So much so that Milan considered him surplus to requirements and let him go for free.