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Post by rwo power Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:17 am

Just the hard facts:

Badstuber (played 90 minutes):
Ballkontakte (ball contacts): 105
Angek. Pässe (completed passes): 90.59% (77)
Fehlpässe (misplaced passes): 9.41% (8 )
Gew. Zweikämpfe (won tackles): 75.00% (18)
Verl. Zweikämpfe (lost tackles): 25.00% (6)
Verübte Fouls (fouls committed): 1
Gefoult worden (being fouled): 0

Boateng (68 minutes):
Ballkontakte: 90
Angek. Pässe: 80.00% (56)
Fehlpässe: 20.00% (14)
Gew. Zweikämpfe: 46.67% (7)
Verl. Zweikämpfe: 53.33% (8 )
Verübte Fouls: 3
Gefoult worden: 0

Lahm (90 minutes):
Ballkontakte: 102
Angek. Pässe: 91.57% (76)
Fehlpässe: 8.43% (7)
Gew. Zweikämpfe: 76.92% (10)
Verl. Zweikämpfe: 23.08% (3)
Verübte Fouls: 0
Gefoult worden: 2

Van Buyten (90 minutes):
Ballkontakte: 110
Angek. Pässe: 87.23% (82)
Fehlpässe: 12.77% (12)
Gew. Zweikämpfe: 65.00% (13)
Verl. Zweikämpfe: 35.00% (7)
Verübte Fouls: 3
Gefoult worden: 1

Gustavo (52 minutes):
Ballkontakte: 33
Angek. Pässe: 88.89% (24)
Fehlpässe: 11.11% (3)
Gew. Zweikämpfe: 25.00% (3)
Verl. Zweikämpfe: 75.00% (9)
Verübte Fouls: 2
Gefoult worden: 0

Alaba (90 minutes):
Ballkontakte: 60
Angek. Pässe: 88.24% (45)
Fehlpässe: 11.76% (6)
Gew. Zweikämpfe: 50.00% (4)
Verl. Zweikämpfe: 50.00% (4)
Verübte Fouls: 1
Gefoult worden: 0

Badstuber won 3/4 of his tackles, while Boateng and Alaba lost more than half of theirs. Gustavo was even worse, he lost full 3/4 or his tackles. As you can see, Boateng was much more of a liability than Badstuber in the match today. And I won't even talk about Gustavo.

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Post by rwo power Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:56 am

I guess here the data is actually a bit more fitting. I checked the Sportbild data of the players (source see post above) and here you can see the efficiency of the Bayern CBs for all matchdays up to matchday 14 so far:

Passing Accuracy
Badstuber: 92.80% (851 passes completed, 66 failed)
Boateng: 88.59% (396 passes completed, 51 failed)
Van Buyten: 91.30% (514 passes completed, 49 failed)

Tackles won
Badstuber: 68.00% (153 tackles won, 72 lost)
Boateng: 65.75% (96 tackles won, 50 lost)
Van Buyten: 71.01% (98 tackles won, 40 lost)

The really interesting thing is how consistently good Badstuber plays - he got the highest number of passes and tackles of the three and still the percentage of completed passes and won tackles is pretty amazing.
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Post by Sushi Master Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:37 am

Our recent defensive problems are not all down to Badstuber. You're pairing two slow CBs in van Buyten and Badstuber, which is a recipe for disaster. Sure, we play with a deep defensive line but that still doesn't do well against long balls or speedy players.

Lahm is still adjusting to the left side, which is his defensively weaker side since he's right footed. He hasn't been all that good this year because of it.

Boateng is played at RB even though he's not a natural RB. I guess Heynckes prefers the defensive stability he gives, but I'd much rather have him at CB and have a natural fullback that creates width. Mueller on the right wing is good, but not a natural wing player to open up game.

Main complaints are our midfield. Alaba is still pretty raw and neither Tymo-Gustavo-Alaba have ever played much together. Clearly we're missing Schweinsteiger. Bayern's heart is in midfield, and with that gone we become very vulnerable. It's why I wanted Vidal.
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Post by rwo power Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:46 am

Yeah. Gustavo and Alaba were particularly abysmal against Mainz. I just wanted to point out that you can't always blame poor Stubsi for all defensive mishaps like certain people here obviously do all the time.

BTW, as things look, Schweinsteiger might be back for the last home match of Bayern before the winter break.
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Post by Babun Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:20 pm

Bayern have problems in fitness when they don't have 60%+ possession eco smile
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Post by The Messiah Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:25 pm

Badstuber disrupt the defense, he can not work as a team. whenever he plays there is lack of organisation in the defense.



Badstuber is not consistence, the reason why it looks like his playing better is because his played more matches than DVB & Boateng.

Lets check worst performance Badstuber will also come out ontop, also give me a link let me check the link myself for his last 9 matches.

I need to consider matches played, tackle attempted, tackle won, tackle lost.



Can someone tell me where Badstuber was during the first goal, what is point of making a tackle then exposing your defense, I dont know where he plays sometimes.

Please post the link for those ratings
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Post by The Messiah Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:56 pm

http://www.footytube.com/video/1-fsv-mainz-05-bayern-munchen-nov27-97245?ref=tchan_ov_vidgrid

Here is clearer version of the highlight, someone watch it please, the first goal just watch Badstuber.

He left his position, exposes the defense, a Gustavo was dribble and a through ball was made, the next thing Mainz attacker is face to face with Neuer, no Badstuber and he wasn't even running or making any effort to fall back..

Please watch the first goal and tell me what you think about that..

Van Buyten was behing but still ran pass him, Badstuber was just there.

I need to make a video compilation of how Badstuber exposes our defense and make my own analysis.
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Post by rwo power Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:46 pm

Well, I will watch the video later when I'm back home (can't do that while at work, sorry).

About the source for the data - as I wrote in the first post, it is here: http://sportdaten.bild.de/sportdaten/verein/sp1/fussball/te209/bayern-muenchen/#sp1,co12,se7094,ro23042,md14,gm0,ma376974,pe0,te209,rl0,na1,nb2,nc1,nd1,ne1,jt0,aw209,ho21,
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Post by rwo power Sun Jan 29, 2012 11:30 am

So, before the stats stuff disappears in a bazillion threads, I thought it might be interesting to keep it all together in one (if I find everything that I posted so far, that is Wink ).

Source is always: http://sportdaten.bild.de/sportdaten/verein/sp1/fussball/te209/bayern-muenchen/#sp1,co12,se7094,ro23042,md1,gm0,ma376865,pe0,te209,rl0,na1,nb2,nc1,nd1,ne1,jt0,aw209,ho253,

Bundesliga 2011/12 - Hinrunde (1st half of the season):

Passing Accuracy (up to matchday 14)

Badstuber: 92.80% (851 passes completed, 66 failed)
Boateng: 88.59% (396 passes completed, 51 failed)
Van Buyten: 91.30% (514 passes completed, 49 failed)

Tackles won / lost (up to matchday 14)

Badstuber: 68.00% (153 tackles won, 72 lost)
Boateng: 65.75% (96 tackles won, 50 lost)
Van Buyten: 71.01% (98 tackles won, 40 lost)


Bundesliga 2011/12 - Rückrunde (2nd half of the season):

Matchday 18: Borussia M'Gladbach 3:1 Bayern

Boateng:
86 ball contacts (played 66 minutes)
83.33% (60) completed passes, 16.67% (12) misplaced passes
38.46% (5) won tackles, 61.54% (8 ) lost tackles

Badstuber:
90 ball contacts (played 90 minutes)
89.71% (61) completed passes, 10.29% (7) misplaced passes
73.68% (14) won tackles, 26.32% (5) lost tackles

Lahm:
127 ball contacts (played 90 minutes)
94.00% (94) completed passes, 6.00% (6) misplaced passes
20.00% (3) won tackles, 80.00% (12) lost tackles

Van Buyten:
67 ball contacts (played 76 minutes)
98.21% (55) completed passes, 1.79% (1) misplaced passes
81.82% (9) won tackles, 18.18% (2) lost tackles

Rafinha:
31 ball contacts (played 24 minutes)
85.71% (18) completed passes, 14.29% (3) misplaced passes
62.50% (5) won tackles, 37.50% (3) lost tackles


Matchday 19: Bayern 2:0 Wolfsburg

Badstuber:
Ball contacts: 97
Completed passes: 94.94% (75)
Misplaced passes: 5.06% (4)
Won tackles: 76.19% (16)
Lost tackles: 23.81% (5)
Fouls committed: 0
Getting fouled: 1

Boateng:
Ball contacts: 90
Completed passes: 90.14% (64)
Misplaced passes: 9.86% (7)
Won tackles: 70.83% (17)
Lost tackles: 29.17% (7)
Fouls committed: 2
Getting fouled: 0

Lahm:
Ball contacts: 110
Completed passes: 89.02% (73)
Misplaced passes: 10.98% (9)
Won tackles: 45.00% (9)
Lost tackles: 55.00% (11)
Fouls committed: 2
Getting fouled: 1

Rafinha:
Ball contacts: 76
Completed passes: 84.21% (48)
Misplaced passes: 15.79% (9)
Won tackles: 33.33% (6)
Lost tackles: 66.67% (12)
Fouls committed: 2
Getting fouled: 2

If I find the time, I will put together the data for the complete first half of the season, too.
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Post by VivaStPauli Sun Jan 29, 2012 1:45 pm

Boateng at CB :bow:

Statstuber :bow:

I'm just scared Lahm might be losing it.
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Post by Ganso Sun Jan 29, 2012 2:56 pm

Those lahm stats,wtf only 20% of successful tackles
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Post by Sushi Master Sun Jan 29, 2012 3:39 pm

Chill, people. Remember it's Lahm's adaptation year. He might be god and play on both flanks, but it does take a while for him to get going. Also take into account that he's on his weaker foot most of the time.

inb4idrisozet:
Statstuber while having the most successful tackles, has the most failed ones, too, though
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Post by rwo power Sun Jan 29, 2012 3:45 pm

Sushi Master wrote:Statstuber while having the most successful tackles, has the most failed ones, too, though
On the other hand that invalidates the claim that he tries to go out of the way of tackles all the time and instead only works as escort service Very Happy
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Post by Sushi Master Sun Jan 29, 2012 3:59 pm

Most of his tackles are won by superior positioning, anyways. The real tackle monster is Boateng, while Stuber is the more "tactical" defender. He needs to improve his tackling a bit, but I'll be patient Very Happy

I would have loved to see an interceptions stat, he'd probably be boss there.
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Post by rwo power Sun Jan 29, 2012 4:03 pm

Sushi Master wrote:Most of his tackles are won by superior positioning, anyways. The real tackle monster is Boateng, while Stuber is the more "tactical" defender. He needs to improve his tackling a bit, but I'll be patient Very Happy

I would have loved to see an interceptions stat, he'd probably be boss there.
The *real* tackle monster is Mats Hummels. Last match his stats were:

Hummels:
Ball contacts: 88
Completed passes: 61.40% (35)
Misplaced passes: 38.60% (22)
Won tackles: 86.36% (19)
Lost tackles: 13.64% (3)
Fouls committed: 0
Getting fouled: 3

He just needs to work a bit on his passing accuracy, then I can't wait to see him and Stubsi together as CBs in the German NT.

About the interceptions, I have to see if I can find some stats somewhere.
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Post by S Sun Jan 29, 2012 4:16 pm

tbh Badstuber played good entire game and covered well when Lahm left loads of space on the left..He has been pretty much doing that all season..

Only negative thing i saw was on a couple of occasions he put his teammates under pressure by passing the ball in tight spaces outside the box instead of making a clearance ,when he is pressurized that is, its all about composure..But perhaps he'll learn in time i reckon..

I think its also time for Mueller to occupy the bench and play Kroos as AM..Kroos-Schweini in the middle dint exactly work but thankfully Schweinsteiger tracked back well and did make some crucial interceptions..Also it kind of hindered Kroos from expressing himself freely and the mf looked much more balanced and secure once Gustavo came on..

But again Robben has been barely playing well and Jupp has to make the hard decision of either dropping Robben or Mueller..Probably the latter..
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Post by Babun Sun Jan 29, 2012 5:01 pm

Drop Müller, I need him fit for Euros eco smile
As for the stats, BAD-stubers tackle rate is worrysome for a defender. He has to win 80% for a top team like Bayern eco smile


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Post by rwo power Sun Jan 29, 2012 5:05 pm

Kamina wrote:As for the stats, BAD-stubers tackle rate is worrysome for a defender. he has to win 80% for a top team like Bayern eco smile
But the tackle rate doesn't account for the balls he wins by good positioning where he doesn't actually have to go into the man and risk a foul Razz

And mind you, every misplaced pass is an invitation for the opponent to attack and score, too, so there you rarely need to worry with BadassStuber ^^
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Post by Babun Sun Jan 29, 2012 5:17 pm

rwo power wrote:
Kamina wrote:As for the stats, BAD-stubers tackle rate is worrysome for a defender. he has to win 80% for a top team like Bayern eco smile
But the tackle rate doesn't account for the balls he wins by good positioning where he doesn't actually have to go into the man and risk a foul Razz

And mind you, every misplaced pass is an invitation for the opponent to attack and score, too, so there you rarely need to worry with BadassStuber ^^
We're talking about CB position. If you mess up you need recovery speed and tackling. Defenders with better positioning tackle less in total number but good ones still have higher win rates. You can't afford the attacker to get away in CB area. Remember the Cl final between Bayern and Inter? 2 lost one on ones resulted in 2 goals eco smile
BAD-stuber played well for once because he wasn't afraid to get dirty, that's the way you defend in last ditch situation and not in ' don't touch me homo' type manner eco smile
I'll see whether he'll stay consistent eco smile
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Post by rwo power Sun Jan 29, 2012 5:25 pm

Well, do you have the average stats of the top twenty defenders in La Liga, EPL and Serie A somewhere? I'd really like to compare them. But please with source.

Gotta go for lunch now and hope you can provide the data when I'm back Very Happy
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Post by VivaStPauli Sun Jan 29, 2012 5:35 pm

Since RWO brought up the NT, I still don't know whether I'd prefer Hummels and Höwedes or Hummels and Boateng, and that's not even because I dislike the Stuber, I just love the pace of those two alternatives.

Or whether to give Mertesacker another shot?
Though with the performances in the NT so far, Hummels might not even start even though almost everybody already counts him as a starter.
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Post by rwo power Sun Jan 29, 2012 7:35 pm

Well, the drawback with not using Stubsi is that Hummels and Höwedes are comparatively more prone to misplace passes which might be a problem, too. Here's the table with the best passers among the BL defenders:

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Hummels' rate is 80,99% and Höwedes completes 78,65% of his passes. So I think depending on what Löw wants of his defense, this is a value where both Badstuber (93,40%) and Boateng (87,27%) are substantially better.
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Post by Sushi Master Sun Jan 29, 2012 9:37 pm

Maybe Hummels' is lower because he tries many long range passes due to his great passing skills? Obviously, they don't all turn out well, but I'm pretty sure he can short pass very well if ordered to.
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Post by rwo power Sun Jan 29, 2012 10:38 pm

Possibly. But then, that's why I wrote it depends on what Löw wants to have (and how the players can implement it).
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Post by The Messiah Sun Jan 29, 2012 10:38 pm

Badstuber put in a convincing performance yesterday, obviously like I said before he needs another fast CB to feed on him.

Even Van Buyten played better when he plays alongside Boateng, In any case I was impress with what I saw yesterday, I dont really care about the stats I rather just judge players base on what I see.

I will give Badstuber another chance to prove his worth playing alongside Boateng.

Also I'm beginning to feel with the new regulation(system) of giving absolute preference to Germany players with no justifiable reason to do so, may be more of a detriment to the club than a benefit on a long run, many top foreign players will start refusing to come to Bayern, say for example it's dump to play.

----------Schweini--Kroos-----------
------------------Muller----------------

When you have Tymo and Gustavo, especially since Muller is off form.



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