Re: Luis Suarez Banned for 8 Premier League Games

by paddy Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:26 pm

Andy Carroll to the rescue

by che Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:26 pm

NEGRITO DOES NOT MEAN SHORT BLACK PERSON YOU *bleep* MORON

for gods sake how ignorant can you get, honestly... several people, A NATIVE SPEAKER FROM THE REGION AMONG THEM, have said that negrito is not a racial slur

i understand you're on your cute internet crusade against racism but you have absolutely no case here

is racism an issue in football that should be confronted? yes, absolutely

does luis suarez warrant an 8 match ban for calling evra negrito? absolutely not

now go take your issues elsewhere please

by Nirgal Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:26 pm

elmystique wrote:
che wrote:
aleumdance wrote:

Its a well known fact in South American Countries that teh words negro and negrito are frowned upon and sometimes seen as racist in English speaking countries

Suarez knew this, SUAREZ KNOWS THIS.

all this talk about him not knowing it is major and complete BULLSHITE

because football players in the middle of a massive game often spend large amounts of time considering what impact their words may have, or their meaning in the local language...

the fact that suarez said "negrito" and not "nigger" (mods don't ban me pls) should speak for the very case that it was an impulsive uttering in his native language and meaning of the language

Evra = short and black

Negrito = short and black man according the meanings I have seen

how dumb can you get?

As i've told you. That's the literal meaning of the word, but it's not how the word is generally used. For most people it means mate or dude.

by elm_baraja_shaman Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:26 pm

Arquitecto wrote:
elmystique wrote:
ragbirjosh wrote:Elmystique

That's this entire thread.

13 pages of Elmystique being

Have you ever called someone a hooligan? or a barbarian perhaps?

/thread.

can't back up your arguments sonny?

The Irony here is KILLING ME!

whatever sends you to bed quickly....

by poolsupporter Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:27 pm

elmystique wrote:
RealGunner wrote:I dont understand why you have been debating for 13 pages Elm ? This isnt your fight, This has nothing to do with you mate.

The ones who should be debating are the Man utd fans or Liverpool haters.

racism has no place in this world and the mere fact I see people trying to back it up keeps me in here to unmask them...

You believe it's racism. Others do not. We'll all agree to disagree. But you have no right to label people who don't agree with you as racists.

by aleumdance Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:28 pm

Irish_Catalan_Scouser wrote:"the impact

HOW EVRA WOULD FEEL ABOUT BEING CALLED A NEGRITO MATE.

and ofc, his suspension now.."

This statement is not proof that Suarez clearly knew the impact of what he said?

Try again.

I just showed you how the word negrito and negro are well known to be racist words in western countries

if that is not enough prove to you then pls mate

support suarez,

task for you, Try and travel more

ps: suarez is feeling the "impact" of what he said

by rsinatra Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:29 pm

Nirgal wrote:
rsinatra wrote:
bhends wrote:
Potential wrote:Meanwhile in Spain

To be fair, calling someone a monkey isn't considered racist in uruguay

says who? it's not as bad as the n word but it has a racist tone i think

i've seen documentaries about Pelé, when santos went to argentina to play the libertadores agaisnt them, all the fans were calling the santistas little monkeys from brazil..

Calling someone monkey is most definitely racist in southamerica. At least in all countries I've been.

yup.. definitely is in brazil

by Arquitecto Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:30 pm

I truly sympathize for Che's well-being and applaud his patience with such posters.

Until then, Sepi, I love the spirit you have taken but I don't see any of the upper Liverpool powers making such a difference to the governing football body of England.

Unless you can convince me otherwise. Smile

by che Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:30 pm

bad timing with that patience bit lmao Laughing

by elm_baraja_shaman Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:31 pm

poolsupporter wrote:
elmystique wrote:
RealGunner wrote:I dont understand why you have been debating for 13 pages Elm ? This isnt your fight, This has nothing to do with you mate.

The ones who should be debating are the Man utd fans or Liverpool haters.

racism has no place in this world and the mere fact I see people trying to back it up keeps me in here to unmask them...

You believe it's racism. Others do not. We'll all agree to disagree. But you have no right to label people who don't agree with you as racists.

some were quick to explain to me there are "degrees of racism"

- some told me physical racial abuse >>> verbal racial abuse

- some said "short black man" is a cultural slur

surely my good sire you can see better than you currently are...

by RealGunner Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:31 pm

elmystique wrote:
RealGunner wrote:I dont understand why you have been debating for 13 pages Elm ? This isnt your fight, This has nothing to do with you mate.

The ones who should be debating are the Man utd fans or Liverpool haters.

racism has no place in this world and the mere fact I see people trying to back it up keeps me in here to unmask them...

you sure it has nothing to do with suarez vs ghana few years back ?

by TheRedStag Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:31 pm

aleumdance wrote:
Irish_Catalan_Scouser wrote:"the impact

HOW EVRA WOULD FEEL ABOUT BEING CALLED A NEGRITO MATE.

and ofc, his suspension now.."

This statement is not proof that Suarez clearly knew the impact of what he said?

Try again.

I just showed you how the word negrito and negro are well known to be racist words in western countries

if that is not enough prove to you then pls mate

support suarez,

task for you, Try and travel more

ps: suarez is feeling the "impact" of what he said

You just don't get it. You cannot prove what Suarez knew. You can't. It doesn't make any sense.

by Grande_Milano Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:32 pm

Racism in last decade became like antisemitism, used all the time to try get an edge in debate.

Whether Suarez said it or not, no way he is deserving an 8 match ban, that just saying that "Taylor-Eduardo" like incident is as bad a single word in a heated match, where fans and ppl arent politically correct at all.

I can bet that Evra got harsher abuses before, its that he decided to use situation in his own favour this time

by poolsupporter Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:32 pm

elmystique wrote:
poolsupporter wrote:
elmystique wrote:
RealGunner wrote:I dont understand why you have been debating for 13 pages Elm ? This isnt your fight, This has nothing to do with you mate.

The ones who should be debating are the Man utd fans or Liverpool haters.

racism has no place in this world and the mere fact I see people trying to back it up keeps me in here to unmask them...

You believe it's racism. Others do not. We'll all agree to disagree. But you have no right to label people who don't agree with you as racists.

some were quick to explain to me there are "degrees of racism"

- some told me physical racial abuse >>> verbal racial abuse

- some said "short black man" is a cultural slur

surely my good sire you can see better than you currently are...

I can see better than I currently am? WTF are you on about? I have my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

by elm_baraja_shaman Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:33 pm

RealGunner wrote:
elmystique wrote:
RealGunner wrote:I dont understand why you have been debating for 13 pages Elm ? This isnt your fight, This has nothing to do with you mate.

The ones who should be debating are the Man utd fans or Liverpool haters.

racism has no place in this world and the mere fact I see people trying to back it up keeps me in here to unmask them...

you sure it has nothing to do with suarez vs ghana few years back ?

nope, if it was Rooney vs Johnson, I'd be here fighting on the side of Pool fans....

by aleumdance Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:34 pm

Irish_Catalan_Scouser wrote:
aleumdance wrote:
Irish_Catalan_Scouser wrote:"the impact

HOW EVRA WOULD FEEL ABOUT BEING CALLED A NEGRITO MATE.

and ofc, his suspension now.."

This statement is not proof that Suarez clearly knew the impact of what he said?

Try again.

I just showed you how the word negrito and negro are well known to be racist words in western countries

if that is not enough prove to you then pls mate

support suarez,

task for you, Try and travel more

ps: suarez is feeling the "impact" of what he said

You just don't get it. You cannot prove what Suarez knew. You can't. It doesn't make any sense.

LET ME REPHRASE

" its a well know fact in South America that the word negro and negrito are frowned uponed and sometimes seen as RACIST in western countries"

so you telling me Suarez grew up in the wrong side of South America?

by Nirgal Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:34 pm

I feel I'm somehow being ignored regardless of being the only one of the same cultural background of suarez.

Doesn't anybody think I could be helpful to understand what's going on?

by elm_baraja_shaman Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:35 pm

poolsupporter wrote:
elmystique wrote:
poolsupporter wrote:
elmystique wrote:
RealGunner wrote:I dont understand why you have been debating for 13 pages Elm ? This isnt your fight, This has nothing to do with you mate.

The ones who should be debating are the Man utd fans or Liverpool haters.

racism has no place in this world and the mere fact I see people trying to back it up keeps me in here to unmask them...

You believe it's racism. Others do not. We'll all agree to disagree. But you have no right to label people who don't agree with you as racists.

some were quick to explain to me there are "degrees of racism"

- some told me physical racial abuse >>> verbal racial abuse

- some said "short black man" is a cultural slur

surely my good sire you can see better than you currently are...

I can see better than I currently am? WTF are you on about? I have my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

and your opinion is?

Suarez was right I guess...

by Seppuku Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:35 pm

poolsupporter wrote:You believe it's racism. Others do not. We'll all agree to disagree. But you have no right to label people who don't agree with you as racists.

Wasn't that the same logic that the Civil Rights Movement went at lengths to eradicate?

Some of the shit being spewed here is just, wow.

by El Chelsea Fuerte Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:35 pm

RealGunner wrote:
elmystique wrote:
RealGunner wrote:I dont understand why you have been debating for 13 pages Elm ? This isnt your fight, This has nothing to do with you mate.

The ones who should be debating are the Man utd fans or Liverpool haters.

racism has no place in this world and the mere fact I see people trying to back it up keeps me in here to unmask them...

you sure it has nothing to do with suarez vs ghana few years back ?

:lol!:

by Le Samourai Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:36 pm

elmystique wrote:
ragbirjosh wrote:Elmystique

That's this entire thread.

13 pages of Elmystique being

Have you ever called someone a hooligan? or a barbarian perhaps?

/thread.

can't back up your arguments sonny?

You have a problem with calling people hooligans? - because a hooligan is actually considered racist by the irish

What about Barbarian? because there is no more xenophopic term in the english dictionary

and what about Gypsy? there is no more insulting word to Romanians

and my Personal favourite........since I've been labelled this one far too many time in my short stints in London....Paki?heard of it right?

No it isn't racist......actually it is.

So jog it on......you expect Suarez to know the nuances of your own language when you do't even know them yourself.

ragbirjosh wrote:
halamadrid2 wrote:
ragbirjosh wrote:
elmystique wrote:
ragbirjosh wrote:
elmystique wrote:
halamadrid2 wrote:english verbal rules????

i am sure the whole world knows that that word is prejudical

never watched malcom x in your life

I can't believe how some people think...

During the American Civil Rights movement of the 1950s and 1960s, some African-American leaders in the United States, notably Malcolm X, objected to the word, preferring Black,[3] because they associated the word Negro with the long history of slavery, segregation, and discrimination that treated African Americans as second class citizens, or worse

Spanish: Negro
English: Black

What is so difficult to understand about this.

in Country X killing is a common nature of the people.

Mr. X got a job in England and killed a colleague worker.

Mr. X got charged with a death sentence for murder,

but how is Mr. X wrong for what he did since in his cultural zone, killing is legit.?

Dude......it's their language.

If you told a danish person "Clam" , an they took it to mean "*bleep* ugly" which it does in Danish BTW......should you be considered racist.

errm, what has that got to do with their race

Is it offensive or is it a misunderstanding?

It really has nothing to do with race but once you admit the smaller more significant principle of how some things get lost in cultural tansition your argument is over.

Everytime we call someone black...we are racist.

During the American Civil Rights movement of the 1950s and 1960s, some African-American leaders in the United States, notably Malcolm X, objected to the word, preferring Black,[3] because they associated the word Negro with the long history of slavery, segregation, and discrimination that treated African Americans as second class citizens, or worse

Negro in Spanish = black.

He was simply following the instructions of MLK adapted to his own native tounge.

Even if he meant malice.....there is absolutely no way a jury could objectively decide to punish him since reasonalble doubt exists.

ragbirjosh wrote:
in Spanish-speaking countries such as Argentina, Chile, and Uruguay where there are few people of African origin and appearance, negro (negra for females) is commonly used to refer to partners, close friends

Sorry mate......the only one who hasn't been able to back up their argument is you.......other than offering hypothetical speculation on Suarez' intentions as well as wether or not his education alerted him to the fact that "negro" had a prejudicial connotation in English.

by che Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:36 pm

elmystique wrote:

some were quick to explain to me there are "degrees of racism"

- some told me physical racial abuse >>> verbal racial abuse

- some said "short black man" is a cultural slur

surely my good sire you can see better than you currently are...

that's adorable, because from the dozen or so arguments i made here, you responded to precisely zero and now you go and take the moral *bleep* high ground when you have nothing else to say

can we close this thread pls?

by poolsupporter Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:37 pm

elmystique wrote:
poolsupporter wrote:
elmystique wrote:
poolsupporter wrote:
elmystique wrote:
RealGunner wrote:I dont understand why you have been debating for 13 pages Elm ? This isnt your fight, This has nothing to do with you mate.

The ones who should be debating are the Man utd fans or Liverpool haters.

racism has no place in this world and the mere fact I see people trying to back it up keeps me in here to unmask them...

You believe it's racism. Others do not. We'll all agree to disagree. But you have no right to label people who don't agree with you as racists.

some were quick to explain to me there are "degrees of racism"

- some told me physical racial abuse >>> verbal racial abuse

- some said "short black man" is a cultural slur

surely my good sire you can see better than you currently are...

I can see better than I currently am? WTF are you on about? I have my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

and your opinion is?

Suarez was right I guess...

My opinion is that I don't consider the situation to be racism. Until a time when evidence comes out that proves or brings to light something I don't already know, I'm sticking with this.

by TheRedStag Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:38 pm

aleumdance wrote:
Irish_Catalan_Scouser wrote:
aleumdance wrote:
Irish_Catalan_Scouser wrote:"the impact

HOW EVRA WOULD FEEL ABOUT BEING CALLED A NEGRITO MATE.

and ofc, his suspension now.."

This statement is not proof that Suarez clearly knew the impact of what he said?

Try again.

I just showed you how the word negrito and negro are well known to be racist words in western countries

if that is not enough prove to you then pls mate

support suarez,

task for you, Try and travel more

ps: suarez is feeling the "impact" of what he said

You just don't get it. You cannot prove what Suarez knew. You can't. It doesn't make any sense.

LET ME REPHRASE

" its a well know fact in South America that the word negro and negrito are frowned uponed and sometimes seen as RACIST in western countries"

so you telling me Suarez grew up in the wrong side of South America?

I am not telling you anything. I'm asking you to prove something. You can type what ever spin you want but there is no way you can PROVE that Suarez clearly knew the impact of what he said.

by elm_baraja_shaman Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:39 pm

Seppuku wrote:
poolsupporter wrote:You believe it's racism. Others do not. We'll all agree to disagree. But you have no right to label people who don't agree with you as racists.

Wasn't that the same logic that the Civil Rights Movement went at lengths to eradicate?

Some of the shit being spewed here is just, wow.

am sure the fans who were monkey chanting Balotelli sounded right to these people.

no one should get me wrong, am a Juve fan yet I condemned the Drughi when they racially abused Balotelli even when he was at Inter Milan...

by pUsHa Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:39 pm

Football has won today , that is all i have to say :dance:

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