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Interesting and you make some good points, but what about Immobile ? I think he is too hot a prospect to not start, and he can find a million other places to go because of his form.

This is my ideal formation:


Not sure if it would work, but that is what I would do. You can have a rotation as well as Immobile can play in the middle or even in Quagliarella's spot, who in turn can be put into Matri's spot.

I want Immobile to play.

JuvenelCuore wrote:

Luca wrote:Vucinic is the most dynamic striker on that list, impossible to demote him at this point.

The best bet is a 4-3-3 with 3 of them being played at once
and still one player at least will get the short end it will be Quagliarella

Vucinic-Matri-Giovinco
Quagliarella-Ciro-Giovinco

Tons of combos, you can use your imagination

Either way, Conte has played one striker with
Vucinic
Matri
Quagliarella
Del Piero

Even playing two strikers, players are not going to be that happy.

Ciro Immobile will be a much better player than Vucinic and at this point, it would make much more sense to train and develop a 21 year old than a 28 year old.

I cannot see Quagliarella playing on the wing in a 4-3-3 and this concerns me. I mean, I would be willing to try him, but perhaps more so Ciro Immobile because he is younger, and will be able to be "trained" more.

Should have never bought Vucinic.

Ciro is not a SS to my knowledge so there is no interference between the two...
It would be Matri, Iaquinta, possible Quagliarella that could hinder Ciro's development

Vucinic is Juventus' most dynamic attacker by a long way
And he does not need to develop but he will play

If this year turns out to be a disaster (knock on wood) I would sell everyone and use the kids though, no doubt

Pasquato, Giovinco, Ciro, Giandonato, Appelt- the works, play them all and give it a few years, beats spending MILLIONS for no results

Agreeing with Antonio, that is the problem I see too
Overstocked wings
Overstocked attackers

If Conte ever fielded 1 striker with all those names on the bench I would feint

JuvenelCuore wrote:Interesting and you make some good points, but what about Immobile ? I think he is too hot a prospect to not start, and he can find a million other places to go because of his form.

This is my ideal formation:

Buffon
Lichtsteiner-Barzagli-Chiellini-De Ceglie
Vidal-Marchisio
-----Pirlo-----
Giovinco-Matri-Quagliarella

Not sure if it would work, but that is what I would do. You can have a rotation as well as Immobile can play in the middle or even in Quagliarella's spot, who in turn can be put into Matri's spot.

I want Immobile to play.

Well, it is a good formation, but Conte never used it yet and I don't think he will. Though It would be a great option. A few disagreements though.

Pirlo can't be that '1'. He's not fit and capable. Vidal is perfect there, as he defends and attacks. I would put Marchisio covering for Pirlo. Giovinco would fit better on the left, rather than the right. And sadly, I'd put Krasic over Quag. We can't play with three strikers and have 6 wingers benched lol.

You see that is the real problem.

We need to remove.

Estigarribia and Giaccherini.
Elia needs to go, If he's never going to be used.
If Krasic dosen't improve, sadly he would be useless and would have to go.

It's a hard descion but I would do...

Remove: Giaccherini, and Estigarribia.
Keep: Pepe, Krasic, Elia(Giovinco, Vucinic).

Three wingers is enough.

Yeah really

Pepe
Giacch
Elia
Krasic
Estigarribia

Vucinic
Matri
Quagliarella
Alex
Iaquinta

This somewhat works but even now it is a flawed system with Krasic, Quagliarella, Elia and Alex struggling for minutes- Iaquinta has been injured and I doubt and hope we will see him much.

Now we are talking about 6-7 HUNGRY attackers, 3 of those wingers would have to leave at least!

Haha to be honest that is my FIFA '12 formation that I just pulled up and made to seem intellectual.

I get you. I think Pirlo could still work there, as a trequartista in essence.

Though I don't see Elia leaving as we did sign him for four years and Conte is working really hard on him as he needs to still adapt to the league. Krasic on the other hand looks more real in leaving and sadly it may come to that. Even with the arrival of Giovinco most probably happening, there will be no use for someone like Giaccherini in the squad.

Giovinco -----> Juventus
Cesena <------ Giaccherini
Krasic ---------> XXXXXXXX
Para <---------- Estigarribia

Giovinco will be rotated as importantly Vidal does in midfield. Giovinco should be doing the same within the Support Striker role and left wing.

Elia sooner or later hopefully will get adapted and be the ideal starter in LW.

That being said, if Krasic does go... Pepe will be the only winger on the right.

Doesn't have the legs, does his best work sitting in front of the defense distributing

Giovinco though, please some :dance:


That would be a dream

Luca wrote:Doesn't have the legs, does his best work sitting in front of the defense distributing

Giovinco though, please some :dance:

Quagliarella-Matri
Giovinco
Marchisio-Vidal
Pirlo
Criscito-Chiellini-Barzagli-Caceres
Buffon

That would be a dream

Top, to be honest, I would scrap the wingers and just keep two. Pepe and Elia. Yes I prefer Krasic, but at this point, he's leaving.

Thanks, I am quite proud of it haha
Although it lacks Balotelli, and I do like Krasic and Vucinic

I would just love to see that team play
Funnily enough it would have been much, much cheaper to assemble than this Juventus but lets not get into it

Cheaper would of been

Marchisio.Pirlo.Vidal
Giovinco
Cassano.Pazzini

Pirlo = Free
Vidal = 10.5m
Giovinco = If we never sold 50%
Cassano = Free/2.5m
Pazzini = 15m

Total= 28m

Yeah but Pazzini to Juventus just wasn't possible

Matri- 16M
Quagliarella- 14.5M
Giovinco- 0
Vidal- 10.5M
Pirlo-O

Caceres- less than Lichtsteiner honestly
Criscito- what did Zenit pay, 12M, well worth it, not to mention Juventus could have just NOT sold him to begin with- 0M

It all depends on Krasic and Elia in my opinion. If they hit their best form, then we can sell Esti, Pepe, and Giacch, and play a 424 still like this:


If Krasic and Elia dont regain their form, then we couldstill play the wings by bringing back Pasquato and Giovinco, but a 433 or 4312 might also be ideas, playing Vidal, Marchisio, and Pirlo all in the kid with Gio as the trequartista behind Matri and Quags/Vucinic, or a 433 with Gio and Pasquato on the sides of Matri.

No matter what, I think we should sell Giacch, Pepe,and Estigarribia, and bring back Pasquato. And unless both Elia and Krasic regain their best forms, we should bring back Giovinco too.

juventus101 wrote:It all depends on Krasic and Elia in my opinion. If they hit their best form, then we can sell Esti, Pepe, and Giacch, and play a 424 still like this:

--Buffon--
--Lichsteiner-- --Leo/Barzagli-- --Chiellini-- --Caceres--
--Marchisio-- --Pirlo/Vidal--
--Krasic/Pasquato-- --Matri-- --Quags/Mirko-- --Giovinco/Elia--

If Krasic and Elia dont regain their form, then we couldstill play the wings by bringing back Pasquato and Giovinco, but a 433 or 4312 might also be ideas, playing Vidal, Marchisio, and Pirlo all in the kid with Gio as the trequartista behind Matri and Quags/Vucinic, or a 433 with Gio and Pasquato on the sides of Matri.

No matter what, I think we should sell Giacch, Pepe,and Estigarribia, and bring back Pasquato. And unless both Elia and Krasic regain their best forms, we should bring back Giovinco too.

4 wingers isnt enough to comfortably play a 4-2-4 imo, i think you need at least 5. If Krasic and Elia hit form, why should we sell Giacch Pepe and Esti? They are good players to have as subs.

But if Krasic and Elia hit form, I would still rather have Giovinco and Pasquato competing with them than Pepe, Giaccherini and Estigarribia sittingon the bench. Maybe just send Esti and Giacch back since theyre loans, and keep Pepe for emergencies. Even then though hes not needed, cuz we could always throw Mirko on the wing if needed or even Vidal or De Ceglie. I think Krasic, Elia, Giovinco, and Pasquato are enough. Maybe bring back Immobile too or promote Boniperti for emergencies, and sell Pepe.

No point in bringing Gio back to sit on the bench if you ask me. If Krasic and Elia do hit form, Conte will either have to rotate Giovinco equally, use him as SS, or not get him at all.

I think we need players like Pepe and co. on the bench, Immobile shouldnt have to be introduced into the squad in an emergency situation, he should be groomed to be our starter.

Well i like youth in ours attack but we already have
i will list the one that should remain here
Matri
Quagliarella
Vucinic
Del Piero( I prefer him as some role in the team not as a player because we have plenty youngsters waiting for his place in the team,but my heart says that he should be in the team but my mind is opposite)

And we have
Krasic
Elia
Giacherinni
Estigarrabia
GOD
and if we return Giovinco that is 6 players for 2 positions.
From this 6 players krasic must leave ..I dont what that but i will say that because he cant be bench player and Giach Esti CAN be bench players.
We must put Elia in form and in starting XI as LW and for the opposite site will contend Pepe and Giovinco.It is either giovinco or krasic.Although i prefer Krasic more

i dont see we will sign any of Ciro or Gio in january.

both maybe will come but in the summer.

i dont like this systems you post without wings is the same crap we did last years with only Krasic as right wing and poor Marchisio fighting on the left.

there absolutely no need to change so many players in january except if team isnt going well.

about summer i can see Gio joins gets number 10 and plays as starter no matter the system.

if we keep playing 4-2-4 probably 3 of our wings will stay depends on the form. Esti is on loan if he do well we will keep him else he will leave.
Giac is on co-own so the same goes for him too.

Pepe will not leave probably so we will keep Pepe and 2 of Krasic-Elia-Gia-Esti if Gio comes for Left wing will be the 4th winger possible scenario
Pepe-Gia at right Gio-Esti at left.

about attack all depends on performance but Matri and Vucinic will stay
Qua will stay or leave depends of performance and as we know Del Piero and Toni will leave.Ciro will come probably and we still miss 1 attacker.

Might as well scrap the 4-2-4, it looks like it won't be used anymore. After defeating Inter and Fiorentina with a 4-3-3(4-2-3-1) it will be mostly likely that we will stick with this. Not to mention we were heading to Napoli with that module. Now like I said previosly, if that is really the case, I would go and stick with 4 wingers rather than having six. Yes Fab is right, if we stick with a 4-2-4, four is not enough, but seeing it won't be used, what's the point? Like I said, Giaccherini and Estigarribia have to go, in their place Giovinco will play by June. On the right keep Pepe and Krasic.

The_ItalianFool wrote:No point in bringing Gio back to sit on the bench if you ask me. If Krasic and Elia do hit form, Conte will either have to rotate Giovinco equally, use him as SS, or not get him at all.

I think we need players like Pepe and co. on the bench, Immobile shouldnt have to be introduced into the squad in an emergency situation, he should be groomed to be our starter.

I disagree with this. Because Gioivinco will come back to replace Del Piero which is their intention. Also, Conte really admires Giovinco. I don't see him benched as much as you say. Because Gioinvco is a very dynamic player, who can play in many roles. Think of Vidal, yes he was benched, but played a lot with rotation, and the same will be with Giovinco. He can be used a SS, LW, LST, or a CM(Deep Lying Playmaker).

4 wingers are enough for 4-2-4 when you have covers in wing position from other players.like Vucinic can play as left winger.in truth we have alot of options no matter what system we try.lets say
we have
Krasic-Pepe-Giaccherini and also Estigarribia and Elia that can play at right wing
and we have
Elia-Estigarribia-Vucinic-Pepe-Giaccherini for the left wing

our options to that 2 positions are more than enough even if we sell 2 players no matter who we will have at least 3 players to play in each of the wings and we have also Vidal that he can used there if things are worst with injuries etc.

my point of view is to keep all of them until the end of season and see who will perform better and sell few and make some space for Pasquato and Giovinco.

and as i said no dif if its 4-3-3 or 4-2-4 about the wingers the only difference is about the strikers.

Giovinco will bench Giacch/Esti if anything
You don't sign a player in January (assuming we are talking about January) to bench him, it is beyond stupid

Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo wrote:

The_ItalianFool wrote:No point in bringing Gio back to sit on the bench if you ask me. If Krasic and Elia do hit form, Conte will either have to rotate Giovinco equally, use him as SS, or not get him at all.

I think we need players like Pepe and co. on the bench, Immobile shouldnt have to be introduced into the squad in an emergency situation, he should be groomed to be our starter.

I disagree with this. Because Gioivinco will come back to replace Del Piero which is their intention. Also, Conte really admires Giovinco. I don't see him benched as much as you say. Because Gioinvco is a very dynamic player, who can play in many roles. Think of Vidal, yes he was benched, but played a lot with rotation, and the same will be with Giovinco. He can be used a SS, LW, LST, or a CM(Deep Lying Playmaker).

Giovinco will come only with number 10 in his shirt playing as starter in SS or LW position.he will not return if he is rotation option.

Luca wrote:Giovinco will bench Giacch/Esti if anything
You don't sign a player in January (assuming we are talking about January) to bench him, it is beyond stupid

Not January, June.

Well then there really is no point to worry about Krasic or Elia hitting form then

Cross that bridge when we get there
Krasic will be long gone by then anyways

Luca wrote:Well then there really is no point to worry about Krasic or Elia hitting form then

Cross that bridge when we get there
Krasic will be long gone by then anyways

Krasic shouldn't leave, because we will only have Pepe in that RW position. With Giovinco coming, it seems Estigarriiba and Giaccherini are out. That might also add Quagliarella, I'm not sure.