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Post by Mr Nick09 Sat 5 Nov - 12:42

who is the best atm? both players in their primes

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Post by Guest Sat 5 Nov - 12:48

This is a hard one. Gomez is surrounded by world class players everywhere. RvP has to often make the difference by himself. Just because of the difference in team quality, i have to give it to RvP.

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Post by lszanto Sat 5 Nov - 12:52

RvP would be scoring 5 goals a game outside of EPL.
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Post by Mr Nick09 Sat 5 Nov - 13:06

lszanto wrote:RvP would be scoring 5 goals a game outside of EPL.

what makes you say that?
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Post by Pedram Sat 5 Nov - 13:13

Well Van Persie contribute more to the team aside goalscoring while Gomez is a pure poacher.
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Post by Babun Sat 5 Nov - 13:13

RVP if not injured, from a Gomez fan... Very Happy
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Post by Abramovich Sat 5 Nov - 13:26

RVP .
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Post by AttacanteBG Sat 5 Nov - 13:37

Best way to see if players can compare to each other is to check if they could play in the same team.

Example: Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo-hard to play in the same team, thatwise=comparable.

Example 2: Xavi vs Pirlo- couldn't play in the same team=comparable.

Players who shouldnt be compare easily:

Exapmle: Kaka vs Mario Gomez=hardly comparable

Example 2: Wesle Sneijder vs Alexandre Pato=hardly comparable.

And there where far worse vs threads then the examples i made. So there shouldn't be so much pointless threads after every game.

On topic, Gomez is excellent poacher while Van Persie is by far skilfull player. They have different characteristics so it is better to compare Gomez with Higuain, and Van Persie with Benzema for example.
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Post by Grande_Milano Sat 5 Nov - 14:56

RVP for skill

Gomez is a poacher, he needs service no matter how great player he is. RVP is a better all around player. That said, Gomez might end with better goal ratios in the end of his career than Van God himself :king:
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Post by Raptorgunner Sat 5 Nov - 16:51


RvP vs Gomez 99-problems
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Post by Geo Sat 5 Nov - 17:12

Anyone of you actually watch Bayern on a regular basis?
Gomez do not only play inside the box.
He actually covers a lot of space on the pitch..

There are many attributes open for comparison.
RvP might be better technically with the ball, he got better dribbling skills.
But Gomez is a much, much smarter player.. especially with his off-ball movements. Even a Poacher, is not an easy job is he is covered defensively.
Plus to Gomez, he pushes himself down for the defense, and his ball-recovery is just unbelievable for a striker..

Lets say both are great strikers atm, both are hitting form and peak.
But Gomez got the edge for me.
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Post by Iceman Sat 5 Nov - 23:50

A Bayern Munich fan saying that Gomez is better? I'm shocked.

RVP tracks back and presses better than Gomez does, but instead what we hear is "RVP has a poor workrate". The reason you think what Gomez is doing is so incredible, is because he never used to do it before, but that doesn't mean that other players haven't been doing so all along.
And where are we getting the "Gomez is a MUCH MUCH smarter player" from? From his amazing creativity? His through balls that open up defenses? Oh wait...that's RVP :facepalm:

RVP has improved his movement in the box remarkably. He is now always there to tap-in or get that final touch.

I'm obviously being too harsh on Mario. He is a great player within his own right. He is definitely a better poacher and finisher, but RVP has improved that aspect of his game just like Gomez improved on the defensive part of his. RVP is on a completely different technical level to Gomez though, and he can do so much more.
Beforehand, the German fans would say that Mario scores a bucket-load more than RVP. They are (currently) very close in terms of scoring, but RVP still has all of his other advantages.
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Post by Iceman Sat 5 Nov - 23:52

But if I were to choose, I'd choose Gomez because he is playing with a weaker side but still carrying them at the top. For that reason, Bayern must be a one man team

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Post by Mr Nick09 Sun 6 Nov - 6:02

Iceman wrote:A Bayern Munich fan saying that Gomez is better? I'm shocked.

RVP tracks back and presses better than Gomez does, but instead what we hear is "RVP has a poor workrate". The reason you think what Gomez is doing is so incredible, is because he never used to do it before, but that doesn't mean that other players haven't been doing so all along.
And where are we getting the "Gomez is a MUCH MUCH smarter player" from? From his amazing creativity? His through balls that open up defenses? Oh wait...that's RVP :facepalm:

RVP has improved his movement in the box remarkably. He is now always there to tap-in or get that final touch.

I'm obviously being too harsh on Mario. He is a great player within his own right. He is definitely a better poacher and finisher, but RVP has improved that aspect of his game just like Gomez improved on the defensive part of his. RVP is on a completely different technical level to Gomez though, and he can do so much more.
Beforehand, the German fans would say that Mario scores a bucket-load more than RVP. They are (currently) very close in terms of scoring, but RVP still has all of his other advantages.

You must have a great imagination, because no one said anything like that in this thread.

I think he meant as a forward, and i agree with him. Gomez is a much smarter forward when it comes to reading the game and putting himself at the end of movements, anticipating, poaching, etc... He is king in that area.

I think the way Gomez weight on a defensive line and force the defenders to go backwards is very underrated, not to mention that he is excellent at playing with his back to the opposition goal.
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Post by Iceman Sun 6 Nov - 6:13

Uhm, do I only have to make comments at this specific thread? There was a general opinion that RVP has a poor work rate, with some stating it as one of the reasons a 4-4-2 wouldn't work for Arsenal.

RVP pulls the defenders from their positions, instead of pushing them backwards. His movement outside of the box is much much smarter than Gomez's. So Gomez is smarter inside the box, which is important for his role as a poacher, and RVP is smarter outside of the box, which is important for his role as a false 9. That doesn't make Gomez a smarter player.
They play different roles, so there's bound to be a lot of difference but RVP is, in general, a better player than Mario. They're both scoring a lot of goals, but one player can do so much more than the other. Makes it easy to see who I'd rather have on my team.
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Post by Sushi Master Sun 6 Nov - 7:22

RVP is a much better player than Mario, overall. The overall difference between them is not too large, though. Technically, RVP shits all over Mario and that's undisputed. But physically, Mario shits all over RVP. He's fast as hell and built like a tank. Sure, he's not going to dribble past you or pull off an awesome through ball out of nowhere like RVP can, but his off the ball movement is world class and he doesn't have to. He's in position by pure movement, the king of tap ins. They have both great workrate. Gomez is even seen defending in corners, due to his large size.

On current form, RVP is on fire and scoring wise they're about equal and he's done it against tougher opposition, IMO. Also with a not as talented and currently in renovation squad. Bayern players have all mostly spent years playing together. Apart from being fed by Ribéry, Mueller, Kroos, Robben, Lahm and whoever happens to be on the pitch. Their squad chemistry is only behind Barcelona.

The choice depends on what sort of team you're building. In Bayern when you have an excess of creative talent and need some pure goalscorer, Gomez is King. In Arsenal, when creativity is lacking and you need guys who are pretty much complete, RVP is King.

I dunno, I'd love both on my team. Very Happy
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Post by Iceman Sun 6 Nov - 7:30

Completely agree with most of what Sushi said
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Post by EarlyPrototype Sun 6 Nov - 10:10

Van Persie!
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Post by RealGunner Sun 6 Nov - 10:41

Gomez upfront with Rvp behind him Very Happy
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Post by Guest Sun 6 Nov - 16:46

^ Lol, that would be pretty awesome.

For Madrid, if we didn't have Higuain, I would probably take Gomez because he's a beast of a poacher and will score truckloads because of the service he would be getting.

However, if the service wasn't as good I would pick van Persie. He is a really good goalscorer (unlike Gomez, who will be a legendary goalscorer if he keeps this up) but he is better at setting up teammates and has a magical left foot.

So, they're pretty much different players. I would give RvP the slightest edge, though, simply because he's overall better.

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Post by Geo Sun 6 Nov - 17:32

Wait, are we comparing strikers or playmaker?
whats the role of a striker?

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Post by beatrixasdfghjk. Sun 6 Nov - 22:38

Scoring goals?

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Post by Iceman Mon 7 Nov - 0:44

Geo wrote:Wait, are we comparing strikers or playmaker?
whats the role of a striker?


That argument would have worked beforehand, when Gomez was scoring so much more than RVP. Now, RVP is scoring a bucketload of goals as well, making goals less of a factor.
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Post by The Messiah Mon 7 Nov - 2:59

Gomez is the best striker in the world.

Check who is the top scorer in cpl (Group of death)

and also check who is top scorer in their domestic league.

I can not believe Gomez is being compared to Van Persie who hardly plays.
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Post by beatrixasdfghjk. Mon 7 Nov - 3:03

Hardly plays?

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