Re: Andrew Yang fan club - US President 2020 ???

by Hapless_Hans Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:46 pm

BarrileteCosmico wrote:
Hapless_Hans wrote:Betty knows all of this, of course, but chooses to ignore it in favour of a strangely insistent racialist-essentialist stance which he fuses with an obsession with masculinity and stereotype.

Maybe it's because as an Asian he has a small dick?

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/7/19/17590302/trevor-noah-france-french-ambassador-araud-world-cup

This touches on the same point a little more in depth and might interest you

I remember that joke, yes, I saw the episode. It did rub me strangely wrong, but I like his way of being able to deliver such material.

It's doubly complicated as in effect Noah makes the joke of an European racialist, but him being an African.
Yet, as a South African, ........ etc

I'll have hopefully more to say on this in the coming days, there's a few thoughts and questions in this thread I feel are worth involving

by El Gunner Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:25 pm

BarrileteCosmico wrote:
Hapless_Hans wrote:Betty knows all of this, of course, but chooses to ignore it in favour of a strangely insistent racialist-essentialist stance which he fuses with an obsession with masculinity and stereotype.

Maybe it's because as an Asian he has a small dick?

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/7/19/17590302/trevor-noah-france-french-ambassador-araud-world-cup

This touches on the same point a little more in depth and might interest you

Responding to this article

The assimilation talked about here sounds nice - and i definitely could see in theory how this would make for a more peaceful political landscape when it comes to racial tensions. But then the real problem is, minorities will always have to fall in line with the dominant culture (group-think). All at the expense of some sort of pseudo-identity that gets advocated for - "Frenchness". Just like how "Africanism/ness" is also just another bland term that tries to encapsulate people based on their roots and skin colour with certain criteria that some people have in mind (hence you get black people arguing who is more African than the other).

Talks and strategies about "identity politics" are always framed in an idealisitc manner of thought. But the biggest problem people seem to overlook is the practical nature of deep-rooted clashing perspectives between people coming from different backgrounds. (Notice how I say "background" and not culture, I don't believe in culture because it is just a means of group politics/manipulation.) For example, let's say the minority group (people of colour) falls in line with the dominant (whites) - white people will continue to adopt and re-inforce their perspectives and practices over the others without even facing a hint of social justice. Minorites will then have to deal with all their little racial behaviours and transgressions that whites themselves are not even aware they are acting out haha.

That's the weirdest thing that i have experienced when it comes to white people. The underlying rooted ego of believing/acting out that they are "better", "naturally more intelligent and capable" than people of another complexion or who speak a different language to them comes up in so many small instances/actions across different contexts, AND THEY THEMSELVES DO NOT EVEN REALISE IT most of the time, which is the craziest thing - and something which some white folk do not want to accept or claim is false apparently.

Other than that white folk are lovely people, they just need to learn to find their empathetic heart again and soften up to other people as the years go on.

Now after saying all of that, I do think reverse racism can be a thing in some instances, and I am all for getting along with each other because i believe that has to be the aim - and celebrating varying cultures/heritages is a good thing - but in doing that i believe "whiteness" can also be celebrated. I don't believe in saying white culture is just racism and colonisation, or "ancient Greek/Rome" or whatever. Celebrating "cultures" should be about making people aware of all the different backgrounds that we come from - and hence different perspectives. And open us up to how we've been conditioned since birth about our ideas concerning skin colours - and trying to find empathy as reconciliation. Once empathy becomes the basis of all interracial interactions - then all the right actions between everyday folk will come in time. I wanted to say all the right political implications will come in time as well, but that would just be a blatant lie as the politicians game is to feed off "differences" and promote it in order to keep us separated/controlled.

by Pedram Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:38 pm

rincon wrote:In all seriousness, @Betty if you haven't yet, you should think about talking to a therapist.

This types of responses are unnecessary imo, for all we know he might very well have gone through some traumatic experience in his life that has led him to think like this. white privilege is a real thing, we can't understand his viewpoint because we're white and haven't had the experience of being treated differently due to our look.

by Unique Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:47 pm

Pedram wrote:
rincon wrote:In all seriousness, @Betty if you haven't yet, you should think about talking to a therapist.

This types of responses are unnecessary imo, for all we know he might very well have gone through some traumatic experience in his life that has led him to think like this. white privilege is a real thing, we can't understand his viewpoint because we're white and haven't had the experience of being treated differently due to our look.

one race has to be the most dominate on earth and it just so happens to be the white race but his inferiority complex is crazy. he dislikes a chinese man because he thinks other people dislikes that chinese guy and might mistake him for a chinese guy. if people hate the chinese guy for being chinese then its them he should have the problem with. his way of thinking is crazy.

by rincon Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:00 pm

Pedram wrote:
rincon wrote:In all seriousness, @Betty if you haven't yet, you should think about talking to a therapist.

This types of responses are unnecessary imo, for all we know he might very well have gone through some traumatic experience in his life that has led him to think like this. white privilege is a real thing, we can't understand his viewpoint because we're white and haven't had the experience of being treated differently due to our look.

Im not white and didnt mean it in with bad intentions. Precisely if you have experienced something traumatic you should seek therapy. And even if you haven't experienced some deep trauma, everyone would benefit from therapy. It is clear he has a lot going on inside him.

by Young Kaz Sat Dec 07, 2019 12:16 am

I think people often mistake Passion for unstableness.

I am pretty stable, and generally a positive person in life. I am passionate about social justice and issues though so that comes out in these type of discussions.

by Unique Sat Dec 07, 2019 1:42 am

Young Kaz wrote:I think people often mistake Passion for unstableness.

I am pretty stable, and generally a positive person in life. I am passionate about social justice and issues though so that comes out in these type of discussions.

you are passionate to the point of obsessive. your inferiority complex is as bad as ive ever seen. you hate people that you see as superior to you when you have no need to. you worry about having a small penis but as long as you have a sex life and your girlfriend is happy why let it bother you. you worry that people will dislike some random chinese person and think you are chinese why do you let that bother you. you have a good life. a good job. a girlfriend and a great family yet you spend your life worrying about who has more and who is better than you. man you are wasting your life worrying about shit that dont matter. instead of worrying about who is better off than you why not take the time to think about the millions of people that are far worst off than you.

by BarrileteCosmico Sat Dec 07, 2019 7:05 pm

BarrileteCosmico wrote:Just another Tech Bro

Democratic presidential candidate @AndrewYang outlines why he’s in the race during a live taping of the #AxeFiles

“We have confused economic value and human value.” pic.twitter.com/lRtwQU9EDz
— University of Chicago Institute of Politics (@UChiPolitics) December 5, 2019

Have to admit Yang is growing on me.

by Myesyats Sat Dec 07, 2019 7:43 pm

He was my #1 all the way along since I first heard about him

And he's not 170 years old.

by Young Kaz Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:48 am

Unique wrote:
Young Kaz wrote:I think people often mistake Passion for unstableness.

I am pretty stable, and generally a positive person in life. I am passionate about social justice and issues though so that comes out in these type of discussions.
you are passionate to the point of obsessive. your inferiority complex is as bad as ive ever seen. you hate people that you see as superior to you when you have no need to. you worry about having a small penis but as long as you have a sex life and your girlfriend is happy why let it bother you. you worry that people will dislike some random chinese person and think you are chinese why do you let that bother you. you have a good life. a good job. a girlfriend and a great family yet you spend your life worrying about who has more and who is better than you. man you are wasting your life worrying about shit that dont matter. instead of worrying about who is better off than you why not take the time to think about the millions of people that are far worst off than you.

You know what:

I dont think I actively have an inferiority complex, but I imagine its impossible for a person of color to grow up in America and not have a complex of some type based simply on society.

I do think you are reading too much into the other stuff though.

by Myesyats Sat Dec 21, 2019 10:33 pm

I like him even more after watching this recent podcast. He's making too much sense for Americans to elect him sadly.

by Young Kaz Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:11 pm

Myesyats wrote:

I like him even more after watching this recent podcast. He's making too much sense for Americans to elect him sadly.

If you like this Chinese guy so much why didnt you even mention when the German minister called Chinese people dogs?

by Myesyats Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:30 pm

1. Andrew Yang is american
2. I dont answer for what some German minister says or does.
3. I can't answer something I didn't hear about.
4. I'm not a human rights activist aka i don't give a shit.
5. Race has nothing to do with it. I like Andrew as a human being and candidate

by Pedram Sun Dec 22, 2019 1:22 pm

Young Kaz wrote:
Myesyats wrote:

I like him even more after watching this recent podcast. He's making too much sense for Americans to elect him sadly.

If you like this Chinese guy so much why didnt you even mention when the German minister called Chinese people dogs?

Why everything has to be about ethnicity? nobody gives a shit about how he looks, it's his political views that matters.

by BarrileteCosmico Sun Dec 22, 2019 4:35 pm

@Young Kaz you should try to go 10 posts without bringing up racism or anyone's ethnicity, just to see if you can

by Young Kaz Sun Dec 22, 2019 7:30 pm

Myesyats wrote:1. Andrew Yang is american
2. I dont answer for what some German minister says or does.
3. I can't answer something I didn't hear about.
4. I'm not a human rights activist aka i don't give a shit.
5. Race has nothing to do with it. I like Andrew as a human being and candidate

You say you are not a human rights activist, and dont care, yet you were able to bring up with some black lives matter kid said an ocean apart from you so its doubtful you wouldnt have heard what that European minister said in the state right next to yours...and one you have mentioned having ancestry from.

I mean...we have to be honest about these things.

by Young Kaz Sun Dec 22, 2019 7:31 pm

BarrileteCosmico wrote:@Young Kaz you should try to go 10 posts without bringing up racism or anyone's ethnicity, just to see if you can

Of course I can

by Myesyats Sun Dec 22, 2019 10:05 pm

Young Kaz wrote:
Myesyats wrote:1. Andrew Yang is american
2. I dont answer for what some German minister says or does.
3. I can't answer something I didn't hear about.
4. I'm not a human rights activist aka i don't give a shit.
5. Race has nothing to do with it. I like Andrew as a human being and candidate

You say you are not a human rights activist, and dont care, yet you were able to bring up with some black lives matter kid said an ocean apart from you so its doubtful you wouldnt have heard what that European minister said in the state right next to yours...and one you have mentioned having ancestry from.

I mean...we have to be honest about these things.

I don't watch cable TV so I rarely hear about stuff related to Europe. Sometimes I read NY Times, a couple articles a month, US related mainly. Is it that hard to believe I never heard about that German minister? I also never hear what Angela Merkel says. Or any other European leader for that matter. I have no idea whats going on with Brexit currently, i just don't. Therefore I cannot comment on something I didnt hear about.

Also, what BLM kid?

by Young Kaz Mon Dec 23, 2019 10:27 am

Myesyats wrote:
Young Kaz wrote:
Myesyats wrote:1. Andrew Yang is american
2. I dont answer for what some German minister says or does.
3. I can't answer something I didn't hear about.
4. I'm not a human rights activist aka i don't give a shit.
5. Race has nothing to do with it. I like Andrew as a human being and candidate

You say you are not a human rights activist, and dont care, yet you were able to bring up with some black lives matter kid said an ocean apart from you so its doubtful you wouldnt have heard what that European minister said in the state right next to yours...and one you have mentioned having ancestry from.

I mean...we have to be honest about these things.

I don't watch cable TV so I rarely hear about stuff related to Europe. Sometimes I read NY Times, a couple articles a month, US related mainly. Is it that hard to believe I never heard about that German minister? I also never hear what Angela Merkel says. Or any other European leader for that matter. I have no idea whats going on with Brexit currently, i just don't. Therefore I cannot comment on something I didnt hear about.

Also, what BLM kid?

https://goallegacy.forumotion.com/t40297-black-lives-matter-leader-yusra-khogalis-white-people-are-sub-human-recessive-genetic-defects

hmm

by Myesyats Mon Dec 23, 2019 10:38 am

How did you dig that up lol

I stumbled upon that article by chance and it proves my point being US related. I hear waaaay more stuff about US than Germany despite the latter bordering my country.

by Young Kaz Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:26 pm

Myesyats wrote:How did you dig that up lol

I stumbled upon that article by chance and it proves my point being US related. I hear waaaay more stuff about US than Germany despite the latter bordering my country.

Yet China, with over a billion people, were insulted by a European minister in the cultural juggernaut next door and you didnt stumble across that?

Surely Laughing

If you followed US media Asian Americans were beating the drum about that in large numbers.

by Myesyats Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:42 pm

What are you trying to accomplish? It mustnt have been a big deal if I didnt hear about it. Why does that matter?

Theres so much news nowadays its impossible to keep track of everything.

by Young Kaz Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:59 pm

Myesyats wrote:What are you trying to accomplish? It mustnt have been a big deal if I didnt hear about it. Why does that matter?

Theres so much news nowadays its impossible to keep track of everything.

Its impossible to follow everything, but you could find what someone, a relative nobody, across the world over from you said, but not what an elected European official right next door said about over 1 billion people?

by Myesyats Mon Dec 23, 2019 2:30 pm

Yes, I don't care about Germany or what they have or had to say. At that particular time I was interested in BLM. My last post on this topic.

by Young Kaz Mon Dec 23, 2019 2:39 pm

Myesyats wrote:Yes, I don't care about Germany or what they have or had to say. At that particular time I was interested in BLM. My last post on this topic.

Yet you cared enough to take -50 warning points a few months before that when discussing a terrorist attack in Germany.

When questioned about why you cared this strongly you stated, and I quote:

Myesyats wrote:Although it doesnt affect me directly, it still concerns me as a member of the European Union.

https://goallegacy.forumotion.com/t39679p150-isis-terror-attacks-around-the-world?theme_id=128097#1708039

What changed between that point where you went from Caring about Germany, a lot as a "Fellow Eu Member", to not caring at all when a European minister in the country you were willing to take a -50 on called a nation of over a billion people(and their diaspora in the millions) a bunch of "Slant-eyes" and "Dogs"?

by Myesyats Mon Dec 23, 2019 2:47 pm

That was 3 years ago lol. I don't care anymore. Times change.

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