Re: Mesut Ozil discussion

by Mr Nick09 Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:26 pm

Kaka will never be a good CM lol

by guest7 Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:27 pm

kaka isnt even a proper AM he is a SS Laughing

by huntsman Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:29 pm

He can.

What does it take to be a good CM? You need eagle vision, good dribbling skills, great ball control and alot of trust from your team mates.

That's my opinion of course.

What was the best goal that madrid scored this season? wasnt it the fast break against i forgot which team in La Liga where it all started by a pass from teh maestro?

by EarlyPrototype Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:32 pm

huntsman wrote:
EarlyPrototype wrote:Ozil recently turned 23.

Messi is 24.

Messi is Messi.

by Le Samourai Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:45 pm

huntsman wrote:He can.

What does it take to be a good CM? You need eagle vision, good dribbling skills, great ball control and alot of trust from your team mates.

That's my opinion of course.

What was the best goal that madrid scored this season? wasnt it the fast break against i forgot which team in La Liga where it all started by a pass from teh maestro?

Nope.

It was started by Ozil......who made 2 key passes in the goal.

Kaka may have laid the ball off to Cristiano in their 1-2 it was just a touch really

by Pedram Sat Dec 17, 2011 4:32 pm

Saw this post in a forum, thought it was interesting.

One word to describe Real's number 10: simplicity.
No super spectular dribbles, no phenomal passes, not a wonderful shooter.. he keeps everything simple. Reading that you might think why is he rated so highly? Well the great Johan Cruyff once said: Voetbal is simpel. Het is echter moeilijk om simpel te voetballen. For those of you who don't understand Dutch, I advice Google Translate. Nahh I'm just kidding, what he said was: Football is simple. Playing simple football though is hard. I don't think anyone could put it better. And that's Özil for ya. Good simple and very very effective. Don't get me wrong, he's definitely capable of doing some highly impressive stuff but he doesn't most of the time. He plays a simple and logical game.

I'd like to say that even though Ozil's been performing well since he's been at Real, he's actually not suited to Real's game. Real play in a very direct way, hitting their opponents on the break a lot. A game built around CR. But Ozil is best suited to a possession football style, dominating the game, constantly moving around and linking up basically. The likes of Cristiano and Di Maria just aren't on the same wavelength as him (and play a totally different game), Benzema and Xabi Alonso are the only ones who are. I'm convinced that if Mourinho or any other manager were to build the team around Ozil, Real would become stronger as a team and would be able to challenge Barca.

by huntsman Sat Dec 17, 2011 5:14 pm

yeah interesting. Good points made.

But simple or not wont cut it for us. I sympathize with Ozil and his fans, but now is not the time for sympathy.

We need to be honest with ourselves and direct in our approach. Number 8 has to start. Period.

by Seppuku Sat Dec 17, 2011 5:34 pm

The goal.com article and the post by El Pipta are really insightful. And these sentiments pretty much echo what Ozil's father mentioned a while back:

"Just look at how Barcelona play. Ten players are all running their socks off for Lionel Messi.

"Mesut is the No. 10 as well at Madrid, but the other players are not working for him. Mesut still runs between 12 and 14 kilometres per game."

Real Madrid must be built around Ozil, and not CR7.

As much as I love players like CR7 and Alonso, I long for the day when the starting line up consists of players that haven't made their glory in previous clubs.

by Zees Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:26 pm

I forgot how good he was last season for us Sad

by halamadrid2 Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:21 pm

give him his number 23 shirt back

the 10 is clearly cursed, first Lass now Mesut, guess we will not ever see that shirt on a consistent basis on the field

by LeVersacci Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:27 pm

by alexander mahone Sat Dec 24, 2011 1:00 am

People expected more of him, but he's still good this season:

Admittedly quite erratic, generally played ok but haven't had long enough run of great games (iirc so far at most he only managed to have 2 great games in a row here and there), never had long enough series of mediocare games as well though, and always great at CL bar the game 1.

Don't get the excessive pessimism after he's among the best performers in the team in last 2 games he played (Barca & CDR), didn't really have complain about him vs Barca game except he should've stayed longer on the pitch (but that's not on him) & he's MOTM in last CDR game along with Callejon.

by huntsman Sat Dec 24, 2011 2:24 am

Mahone, good wont cut it for us. Ozil is sucking the play time out of Kaka like a blood-thirsty vampire sucks blood out of its victim. Both players are suffering as of late; and a decision must be made for the greater good of the team.

by Onyx Sat Dec 24, 2011 3:58 pm

Ozil could offer a lot more if he played CM and we changed our style a bit.

by SuperMAG Sat Dec 24, 2011 4:34 pm

thats the reason he is not performing, you people (including mou) wanted him more close to CM, which his stopped him from running into space between the last 4 defenders.

when 4 attackers vs 4 defenders, its hard to mark then 4 attackers all the time, that was ozil strength, the moment one of defender left his marker he ozil dribbled one defender while other came to him, it left the attacker free, thats how he got most of his assists.

by Valkyrja Sun Jan 22, 2012 10:20 pm

Zidane with hair ??? Amazing vs Bilbao, his best game this season

by SuperMAG Sun Jan 22, 2012 10:23 pm

yea he was absolutely brilliant today.

by Pedram Sun Jan 22, 2012 10:50 pm

Ozil must play from the start against Barcelona. :bow:

by Zealous Sun Jan 22, 2012 10:56 pm

Great game. I'd start him on Wednesday.

by StrugaRock Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:50 pm

by II Capitano Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:00 pm

El Pipita wrote:Saw this post in a forum, thought it was interesting.

One word to describe Real's number 10: simplicity.
No super spectular dribbles, no phenomal passes, not a wonderful shooter.. he keeps everything simple. Reading that you might think why is he rated so highly? Well the great Johan Cruyff once said: Voetbal is simpel. Het is echter moeilijk om simpel te voetballen. For those of you who don't understand Dutch, I advice Google Translate. Nahh I'm just kidding, what he said was: Football is simple. Playing simple football though is hard. I don't think anyone could put it better. And that's Özil for ya. Good simple and very very effective. Don't get me wrong, he's definitely capable of doing some highly impressive stuff but he doesn't most of the time. He plays a simple and logical game.

I'd like to say that even though Ozil's been performing well since he's been at Real, he's actually not suited to Real's game. Real play in a very direct way, hitting their opponents on the break a lot. A game built around CR. But Ozil is best suited to a possession football style, dominating the game, constantly moving around and linking up basically. The likes of Cristiano and Di Maria just aren't on the same wavelength as him (and play a totally different game), Benzema and Xabi Alonso are the only ones who are. I'm convinced that if Mourinho or any other manager were to build the team around Ozil, Real would become stronger as a team and would be able to challenge Barca.

Which forum was that post on, can't find it, mate?

by Valkyrja Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:28 pm

Magical performance . He's really Zidane's heir.

by Pedram Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:44 pm

The Little Genius. :bow:

by the xcx Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:45 pm

Future Zidane right there Very Happy

...I hope I didint jinx it know Laughing

...Still that performance he gave was GODLY.

by Guest Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:41 am

Superb performance from the little magician. Abidal seemed to not be able to handle him! And his through ball for Ronaldo was really nice. He probably took in a huge amount of confidence from that game and will be more consistent, especially against Barca.

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