Premier League vs La Liga- A Statistical Analysis

diptiman wrote:

Sushi Master wrote:Liverpool don't have winning mentality?

Their past problems haven't been in mentality, but just lack of quality. They have quality now, believe me the mentality isn't going to be a problem for them. Much less since they're up against their arch rivals in the title race, they need to catch up that missing cup.

so explain to me why they havent won the league for 20 years now.. dont thell me they never had a great squad in any of those years.. i remember as recent as 09 when they had such a great team, thrashing madrid and united by 4 goals on successive weekends and in the end faltering.. thats lack of winning mentality imo

diptiman wrote:

Sushi Master wrote:Liverpool don't have winning mentality?

Their past problems haven't been in mentality, but just lack of quality. They have quality now, believe me the mentality isn't going to be a problem for them. Much less since they're up against their arch rivals in the title race, they need to catch up that missing cup.

so explain to me why they havent won the league for 20 years now.. dont thell me they never had a great squad in any of those years.. i remember as recent as 09 when they had such a great team, thrashing madrid and united by 4 goals on successive weekends and in the end faltering.. thats lack of winning mentality imo

The Franchise wrote:I am sorry, Liverpool are hardly any closer to Manchester Utd then Valencia are to Barcelona.

On paper they are good and they might do well this season (also off to a pretty good start), but you can say the exact same about Valencia too.

Spurs as a title contender is downright crazy.

Sushi Master wrote:If people don't believe Liverpool will challenge for the title with a great squad, legendary manager and them being completely out of any European competition, enabling them to focus their attention at home: you're insane.

If you're writing off Arsenal after 3 matches, you're also insane.

La Liga is not a bad league, but when it comes to competiveness it has a huge, huge gap when you compare it to other leagues.

But to settle this, you want an exciting unpredictable league, underdogs beating giants, goal fests with decent tactics, awesome youth players, international stars up the ass and one of the best historical teams in football history, weekend after weekend?

Watch the Bundesliga, kids

aford92 wrote:
Now let's look at the relegated teams. In La Liga Deportivo, Hercules and Almeria went down. Deportivo had Guardado, Adrian, Riki and Valeron and still went down, even with this calibre of player. Hercules still had Trezeguet, Valdez, Rufete, Drenthe (now at Everton) Tote and Kiko (now at Barca) and still went down. Even Almeria who finished bottom had a few decent players. Whereas in the EPL Blackpool, Birmingham and West Ham went down. Blackpool had only one decent player, Charlie Adam. Birmingham didn't have any except maybe Roger Johnson and West Ham only had Parker. If teams go down in La Liga with great players but in the EPL Blackpool nearly stayed up due to Charlie Adam alone, without him they would've finished bottom by a long way, if in the EPL one player can almost save a team then surely there is a difference in quality.

BeautifulGame wrote:

diptiman wrote:

Sushi Master wrote:Liverpool don't have winning mentality?

Their past problems haven't been in mentality, but just lack of quality. They have quality now, believe me the mentality isn't going to be a problem for them. Much less since they're up against their arch rivals in the title race, they need to catch up that missing cup.

so explain to me why they havent won the league for 20 years now.. dont thell me they never had a great squad in any of those years.. i remember as recent as 09 when they had such a great team, thrashing madrid and united by 4 goals on successive weekends and in the end faltering.. thats lack of winning mentality imo

Because we didnt had the squad depth of United that season.We had Ngog as backup for Torres and United had Tevez and Berbatov as backup for Rooney.Thats what made the difference.Nothing to do with winning mentatility.

When exactly we had the best squad in the league and failed to win the league in last 20 years? U are confusing winning mentality with lack of squad depth.You wont win CL from 3-0 down or thrash Madrid 5-0 over a tie without winning mentality.Neither do you win at San Siro or Nou Camp without winning mentality.We always had a very strong staring XI but squad depth was always that let us down.

diptiman wrote:

lol winning mentality is not winning the odd one off big matches nor isi t just winning against baby teams..its both winning the difficult matches and winning the small matches consistently..liverpool have been too inconsistent in the last 20 years , failing to beat small teams quite often or the reverse..and all of it cant be attributed to squad depth..lol.. united squad was horrible last season.. they won the epl ,reached cl finals, with that horrible midfield.. thats winning mentality..

diptiman wrote:

and going by your point if you say your lack of squad depth failed to win u the league do you honestly think that what ur team hasnt been able to do the last 20 years or so liverpool will do this season specially since its squad isnt as good as past years and as good as the other contenders'

BeautifulGame wrote:
U will probably find most of our fans and our owner insane then

I dont think there is anything wrong with saying we dont have the squad to win the league which is probably the truth.We have built a squad to reach top 4 and still clearly lack the quality squad depth United and City have.We are probably a level below them and probably need CL football to reach their level.There is nothing insane with that.

diptiman wrote:

this season specially since its squad isnt as good as past years

diptiman wrote:your 09 squad was easily better than this one ...

diptiman wrote:
and united did not have the best squad last season .. they won the epl .. they have done it earlier too.. thats winning mentality.. liverpool won the cl in 05 man..6 years ago.. that time arsenal had winning mentality too

neither of those teams have it now

BeautifulGame wrote:

diptiman wrote:your 09 squad was easily better than this one ...

So having Ngog as 2nd choice striker is better than having Carrol Kuyt and Bellamy
Having Carra as our RB is better than haing Kelly/Glen
Having Dosenna as our back LB is better than having Aurelio/Robbo
Having no winger is better than having 2 wingers in Downing
Having kyrgiakos as back up is better than having Coates
Having no back up for Gerrard is better than having Henderson and Adam?

Our squad now is easily superior to the one in 2009.The only area we had better depth then was in Dm when Lucas was our back up for Mascherano.
We still have spearing who is proven in the PL IMO

BeautifulGame wrote:

diptiman wrote:your 09 squad was easily better than this one ...

So having Ngog as 2nd choice striker is better than having Carrol Kuyt and Bellamy
Having Carra as our RB is better than haing Kelly
Having Dosenna as our back LB is better than having Aurelio
Having no winger is better than having 2 wingers in Downing
Having kyrgiakos as back up is better than having Coates
Having no back up for Gerrard is better than having Henderson and Adam?

Our squad now is easily superior to the one in 2009.The only area we had better depth then was in Dm when Lucas was our back up for Mascherano.

BeautifulGame wrote:

The Franchise wrote:I am sorry, Liverpool are hardly any closer to Manchester Utd then Valencia are to Barcelona.

On paper they are good and they might do well this season (also off to a pretty good start), but you can say the exact same about Valencia too.

Spurs as a title contender is downright crazy.

Ofcourse Valencia have beaten Barca 4 out of last 6 times they faced in last 3 years.Havent they?

ynwa wrote:

BeautifulGame wrote:

diptiman wrote:your 09 squad was easily better than this one ...

So having Ngog as 2nd choice striker is better than having Carrol Kuyt and Bellamy
Having Carra as our RB is better than haing Kelly
Having Dosenna as our back LB is better than having Aurelio
Having no winger is better than having 2 wingers in Downing
Having kyrgiakos as back up is better than having Coates
Having no back up for Gerrard is better than having Henderson and Adam?

Our squad now is easily superior to the one in 2009.The only area we had better depth then was in Dm when Lucas was our back up for Mascherano.

Beat me to Real Madrid's winning mentality.

You got the years wrong. Not saying we're not a much stronger team now, as we are. The depth shows that. But the midfield trio of Gerrard, Alonso and Masche will be hard to beat. Anyway...

We had Arbeloa as our right back in 09, not Carra.
Enrique as our LB now. We never really played Dossena towards the end of the season where he started coming off the bench. Insua made him his b*tch.
Had Riera as a winger.
We still had Sami. Soto wasn't with us yet. We still havn't seen Coates play.

diptiman wrote:lol arbeloa aurelio when played were very good..carragher was still very good then.. your midfield was beast... gerrard 2009 , masch,alonso>.. your current midfield, torres then >> suarez, kuyt was still very good then.. riera played well that season though that position you improved on.. and btw dossena got goals against both mufc and us ..just saying

diptiman wrote:
yeah beating the best team in the world is what i would call winning mentality.. madrid have it.. we did not win our last title 6 years ago... so .. fail

diptiman wrote:
lol winning mentality is not winning the odd one off big matches nor isi t just winning against baby teams..its both winning the difficult matches and winning the small matches consistently.

diptiman wrote:lol arbeloa aurelio when played were very good..carragher was still very good then.. your midfield was beast... gerrard 2009 , masch,alonso>.. your current midfield, torres then >> suarez, kuyt was still very good then.. riera played well that season though that position you improved on.. and btw dossena got goals against both mufc and us ..just saying

yeah beating the best team in the world is what i would call winning mentality.. madrid have it.. we did not win our last title 6 years ago... so .. fail

BeautifulGame wrote:

diptiman wrote:lol arbeloa aurelio when played were very good..carragher was still very good then.. your midfield was beast... gerrard 2009 , masch,alonso>.. your current midfield, torres then >> suarez, kuyt was still very good then.. riera played well that season though that position you improved on.. and btw dossena got goals against both mufc and us ..just saying

U sure what uare debating.Carra Arbeloa Aurelio Torres Masch Alonso Gerrard were all our first choice players.U were saying our squad back then was better than our current squad.So if u want make a compare suqads u should be comparing the squad players.I already said our 2009 starting XI was superior to this so no point proving me ahgain with ur comparison.

diptiman wrote:
yeah beating the best team in the world is what i would call winning mentality.. madrid have it.. we did not win our last title 6 years ago... so .. fail

From ur comment previously in the thread

diptiman wrote:
lol winning mentality is not winning the odd one off big matches nor isi t just winning against baby teams..its both winning the difficult matches and winning the small matches consistently.

Epic fail on ur part

ynwa wrote:Oh, my bad.

And we had Sami in the 08/09.
Soto came in 09/10.

EDIT: Seeing as you were talking about depth... you can't forget the almighty Veronin and the El Zhar. Or was it Degen? Or was it both?

ynwa wrote:

diptiman wrote:lol arbeloa aurelio when played were very good..carragher was still very good then.. your midfield was beast... gerrard 2009 , masch,alonso>.. your current midfield, torres then >> suarez, kuyt was still very good then.. riera played well that season though that position you improved on.. and btw dossena got goals against both mufc and us ..just saying

yeah beating the best team in the world is what i would call winning mentality.. madrid have it.. we did not win our last title 6 years ago... so .. fail

What's the point? Does Manc City have the winning mentality? They've won the same as RM in the last few years...

BG's already caught you with the fail not winning the odd game out...

diptiman wrote:your first team in 09 was much better than this one.. your squad is better now.. to win a leauge u need both... that and some winning mentality

diptiman wrote:

BeautifulGame wrote:

diptiman wrote:lol arbeloa aurelio when played were very good..carragher was still very good then.. your midfield was beast... gerrard 2009 , masch,alonso>.. your current midfield, torres then >> suarez, kuyt was still very good then.. riera played well that season though that position you improved on.. and btw dossena got goals against both mufc and us ..just saying

U sure what uare debating.Carra Arbeloa Aurelio Torres Masch Alonso Gerrard were all our first choice players.U were saying our squad back then was better than our current squad.So if u want make a compare suqads u should be comparing the squad players.I already said our 2009 starting XI was superior to this so no point proving me ahgain with ur comparison.

diptiman wrote:
yeah beating the best team in the world is what i would call winning mentality.. madrid have it.. we did not win our last title 6 years ago... so .. fail

From ur comment previously in the thread

diptiman wrote:
lol winning mentality is not winning the odd one off big matches nor isi t just winning against baby teams..its both winning the difficult matches and winning the small matches consistently.

Epic fail on ur part

NOT QUITE, since its well know that madrid have always beaten the smaller la liga teams on a consistent basis.. its what u premfaces call boring thrashings am i rite.. it was against the big sides we couldnt perform which has changed

diptiman wrote:
yeah after the won the fa cup theyve certainly been injected with that winning mentality and thats even more dangerous for other teams because they now have toe conifidence to aim for bigger trophies since they ve already tasted blood..

btw man city recent years: 1 fa cup , madrid - 2 la liga titles ,1 copa del rey.. 'won the same' in the last few years'?