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Post by Guest Wed Sep 07, 2011 1:52 pm

Good Read, debunks some of the myths..surprised about La Liga's physical data:


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Post by Gil Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:14 pm

Is Rafa still unemployed then?
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Post by pUsHa Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:24 pm

Benitez wants a spot on BBC or Sky , lol Very Happy
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Post by Adit Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:25 pm

Shows EPL is more Direct but la liga is more efficient on the ball,also the physical contact,fouls drawn,intensity,shot accuracy etc is under standable.
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Post by flameas Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:29 pm

The only fact is that EPLs titlerace is between 4 teams, La Ligas between 2 teams.

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Post by Raptorgunner Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:30 pm

flameas wrote:The only fact is that EPLs titlerace is between 6 teams, La Ligas between 2 teams.


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Post by che Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:34 pm

Raptorgunner wrote:The only fact is that EPLs titlerace is between 6 teams, La Ligas between 2 teams.


manchester united, manchester united, manchester united, manchester united, manchester united and, let's see, manchester united?

anyway, i'm giving this three pages at best before rb section/lock

also link not working for me...
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Post by jibers Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:37 pm

Read this earlier, very interesting, the only difference is the intensity and the physicality. Most people know that. ANd before people start calling la liga a two horse race, rememebr since 2004, only us and chelsea have won the league, and arsenal, the 4th best team in england got smashed 8-2 by us and villareal, the 4th best team in spain got beaten 5-0, same goal difference. Statistics is a bitch.
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Post by The Franchise Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:38 pm

che wrote:
Raptorgunner wrote:The only fact is that EPLs titlerace is between 6 teams, La Ligas between 2 teams.


manchester united, manchester united, manchester united, manchester united, manchester united and, let's see, manchester united?

anyway, i'm giving this three pages at best before rb section/lock

also link not working for me...

Less then that at this rate. Like I didnt see this coming as soon as the thread was posted lol

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Post by jibers Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:41 pm

flameas wrote:The only fact is that EPLs titlerace is between 3 teams, La Ligas between 2 teams.


Manchester United, Manchester City and Chelsea.
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Post by Raptorgunner Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:42 pm

jibers wrote:Read this earlier, very interesting, the only difference is the intensity and the physicality. Most people know that. ANd before people start calling la liga a two horse race, rememebr since 2004, only us and chelsea have won the league, and arsenal, the 4th best team in england got smashed 8-2 by us and villareal, the 4th best team in spain got beaten 5-0, same goal difference. Statistics is a bitch.

You forgot is not the same team who finished 4th place, I am not trying make an excuse for the loss, but it was not the same team who beat united and lost 1-0 to united and also united got stronger.
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Post by Gil Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:48 pm

jibers wrote:
flameas wrote:The only fact is that EPLs titlerace is between 3 teams, La Ligas between 2 teams.


Manchester United, Manchester City and Chelsea.

and Liverpool.
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Post by jibers Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:49 pm

Raptorgunner wrote:
jibers wrote:Read this earlier, very interesting, the only difference is the intensity and the physicality. Most people know that. ANd before people start calling la liga a two horse race, rememebr since 2004, only us and chelsea have won the league, and arsenal, the 4th best team in england got smashed 8-2 by us and villareal, the 4th best team in spain got beaten 5-0, same goal difference. Statistics is a bitch.

You forgot is not the same team who finished 4th place, I am not trying make an excuse for the loss, but it was not the same team who beat united and lost 1-0 to united and also united got stronger.

An that was not the same villareal team that finished fourth. My point is people keep talking about the competitiveness of the EPl and I'm like really? United and Chelsea have dominated the league for almost a decade. This whole competitive BS is just, BS. Did Barcelona not come 3rd in 2008? When was the last time United finished 3rd? All I'm saying is, that it's a poor arguement.
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Post by Doc Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:58 pm

Very interesting read. Only one that is a bit surprising is the successful dribbles statistic. Either the EPL has better dribblers on the ball or the defenders are more gullible in going into the challenge and being evaded with more ease than La Liga. That can be read differently depending on how you view data...
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Post by jibers Wed Sep 07, 2011 3:03 pm

Doc wrote:Very interesting read. Only one that is a bit surprising is the successful dribbles statistic. Either the EPL has better dribblers on the ball or the defenders are more gullible in going into the challenge and being evaded with more ease than La Liga. That can be read differently depending on how you view data...

Its probably the former mate. WIth the way that teams always bomb forwad, teams in the EPl always counter and make runs all teh time, plu if you have pace you'll always most like beat your man, where as in la liga defenders tend to sit deeper and don't go in for the tackles as much. There are higher number of interceptions in la liga than in the prem as destroyers aren't allowed to function in Spain due to the way fouls are perceived there. just a thought.
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Post by che Wed Sep 07, 2011 3:06 pm

Doc wrote:Very interesting read. Only one that is a bit surprising is the successful dribbles statistic. Either the EPL has better dribblers on the ball or the defenders are more gullible in going into the challenge and being evaded with more ease than La Liga. That can be read differently depending on how you view data...

it also depends on what's considered dribbling... if kicking the ball past a defender and running faster than him to get it counts as a successful dribble it's not that surprising tbh...
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Post by Doc Wed Sep 07, 2011 3:31 pm

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Doc wrote:Very interesting read. Only one that is a bit surprising is the successful dribbles statistic. Either the EPL has better dribblers on the ball or the defenders are more gullible in going into the challenge and being evaded with more ease than La Liga. That can be read differently depending on how you view data...

it also depends on what's considered dribbling... if kicking the ball past a defender and running faster than him to get it counts as a successful dribble it's not that surprising tbh...

I asked one of the Milan coaches when they came down here (my country) for a training seminar what they considered dribbling. In broken English, he replied that dribbling constitutes going past an opponent with the ball using whatever skills necessary so kicking the ball and running would be considered "dribbling" in the technical sense however it isn't really what most fans would consider a proper dribble but I digress. Jibers brought up a nice point that speed is a factor when it comes to going past your opponent and EPL have a nice amount of quick wingers so it does make sense that the EPL would have a higher number but I think the defenders part also has a bigger part to play in that.
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Post by Senor Penguin Wed Sep 07, 2011 4:15 pm

Gil wrote:
jibers wrote:
flameas wrote:The only fact is that EPLs titlerace is between 3 teams, La Ligas between 2 teams.


Manchester United, Manchester City and Chelsea.

and Liverpool.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Wed Sep 07, 2011 5:01 pm

flameas wrote:The only fact is that EPLs titlerace is between 2 teams, La Ligas between 2 teams.


//semi-troll

Anyways he's more talking about the quality of the league rather than the enjoyment factor for neutrals from competition.
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Post by aford92 Wed Sep 07, 2011 5:05 pm

flameas wrote:The only fact is that EPLs titlerace is between 4 teams, La Ligas between 2 teams.



This obviously means that EPL is better doesn't it? This means nothing, to judge the quality of a league you look at all the teams not just the title challengers. Also the EPL race is between 3 teams at most, Arsenal, Spurs and Liverpool aren't title challengers this season (Spurs never were and never will be challengers).

If you were to look at the final league standings of last season and do team vs team then you will see that 1st and 2nd the La Liga teams are better, 3rd-6th (except 5th) the EPL teams are better and from 7th downwards with the exception of 10th, the La Liga teams are better.

Also the quality of players is something to look at, there is a reason that most of the top players play in La Liga, the top 10 players in La Liga is something like this 1. Messi 2. Ronaldo 3. Xavi 4. Iniesta 5. Ozil 6.Fabregas 7. Villa 8. Rossi 9. Pedro 10. Navas. Meanwhile the EPL top 10 is something like this 1. Rooney 2. Aguero 3. Silva 4. Suarez 5. Nasri 6. Nani 7. VDV 8. Mata 9. Lampard 10. A.Young. All of the players in the La Liga list would walk into any team in the EPL.

Now let's look at the relegated teams. In La Liga Deportivo, Hercules and Almeria went down. Deportivo had Guardado, Adrian, Riki and Valeron and still went down, even with this calibre of player. Hercules still had Trezeguet, Valdez, Rufete, Drenthe (now at Everton) Tote and Kiko (now at Barca) and still went down. Even Almeria who finished bottom had a few decent players. Whereas in the EPL Blackpool, Birmingham and West Ham went down. Blackpool had only one decent player, Charlie Adam. Birmingham didn't have any except maybe Roger Johnson and West Ham only had Parker. If teams go down in La Liga with great players but in the EPL Blackpool nearly stayed up due to Charlie Adam alone, without him they would've finished bottom by a long way, if in the EPL one player can almost save a team then surely there is a difference in quality.

Now let's look at the best players from last season. In La Liga the top 4 players last season were Messi, Ronaldo, Xavi and Ozil. Meanwhile the best 4 players in the EPL were Parker Adam, Bale (don't know how he won the PFA Player of the Year considering that Charlie Adam was better) and Wilshere. Surely that tells you something. Even the top scorers show you that La Liga is better, the fact that players like DJ Campbell and Peter Odemwingie are in the top 10 EPL scorers shows you again that the EPL standard is slipping.

Quality of team La Liga >>> EPL
Quality of players La Liga >>> EPL
Quality of football La Liga >>> EPL

If an Englishmen is telling you that La Liga is better then surely that counts for something. People in England get caught up in the media hype about the EPL being the best league in the world but if they were to step back and take a look then they would, like me, realise that La Liga is by far the better league.

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Post by Lord Hades Wed Sep 07, 2011 6:29 pm

lol the premfaces getting butchered by stats and logical reasoning..

lol at people think arsenal or liverpool will challenge for the title this season

and didnt someone say 6 teams, united, chelsea, city -genuine contenders

arsenal liverpool - highly optimistic claims but nevertheless given the no of fans from both sides and the big names at least people can believe.. but 6 TEAMS??
YOU MEAN TOTTENHAM HOTSPURS?? :bow:
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Post by Lord Hades Wed Sep 07, 2011 6:31 pm

aford92 wrote:
flameas wrote:The only fact is that EPLs titlerace is between 4 teams, La Ligas between 2 teams.



This obviously means that EPL is better doesn't it? This means nothing, to judge the quality of a league you look at all the teams not just the title challengers. Also the EPL race is between 3 teams at most, Arsenal, Spurs and Liverpool aren't title challengers this season (Spurs never were and never will be challengers).

If you were to look at the final league standings of last season and do team vs team then you will see that 1st and 2nd the La Liga teams are better, 3rd-6th (except 5th) the EPL teams are better and from 7th downwards with the exception of 10th, the La Liga teams are better.

Also the quality of players is something to look at, there is a reason that most of the top players play in La Liga, the top 10 players in La Liga is something like this 1. Messi 2. Ronaldo 3. Xavi 4. Iniesta 5. Ozil 6.Fabregas 7. Villa 8. Rossi 9. Pedro 10. Navas. Meanwhile the EPL top 10 is something like this 1. Rooney 2. Aguero 3. Silva 4. Suarez 5. Nasri 6. Nani 7. VDV 8. Mata 9. Lampard 10. A.Young. All of the players in the La Liga list would walk into any team in the EPL.

Now let's look at the relegated teams. In La Liga Deportivo, Hercules and Almeria went down. Deportivo had Guardado, Adrian, Riki and Valeron and still went down, even with this calibre of player. Hercules still had Trezeguet, Valdez, Rufete, Drenthe (now at Everton) Tote and Kiko (now at Barca) and still went down. Even Almeria who finished bottom had a few decent players. Whereas in the EPL Blackpool, Birmingham and West Ham went down. Blackpool had only one decent player, Charlie Adam. Birmingham didn't have any except maybe Roger Johnson and West Ham only had Parker. If teams go down in La Liga with great players but in the EPL Blackpool nearly stayed up due to Charlie Adam alone, without him they would've finished bottom by a long way, if in the EPL one player can almost save a team then surely there is a difference in quality.

Now let's look at the best players from last season. In La Liga the top 4 players last season were Messi, Ronaldo, Xavi and Ozil. Meanwhile the best 4 players in the EPL were Parker Adam, Bale (don't know how he won the PFA Player of the Year considering that Charlie Adam was better) and Wilshere. Surely that tells you something. Even the top scorers show you that La Liga is better, the fact that players like DJ Campbell and Peter Odemwingie are in the top 10 EPL scorers shows you again that the EPL standard is slipping.

Quality of team La Liga >>> EPL
Quality of players La Liga >>> EPL
Quality of football La Liga >>> EPL

If an Englishmen is telling you that La Liga is better then surely that counts for something. People in England get caught up in the media hype about the EPL being the best league in the world but if they were to step back and take a look then they would, like me, realise that La Liga is by far the better league.



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Post by Sushi Master Wed Sep 07, 2011 6:38 pm

If people don't believe Liverpool will challenge for the title with a great squad, legendary manager and them being completely out of any European competition, enabling them to focus their attention at home: you're insane.

If you're writing off Arsenal after 3 matches, you're also insane.

La Liga is not a bad league, but when it comes to competiveness it has a huge, huge gap when you compare it to other leagues.

But to settle this, you want an exciting unpredictable league, underdogs beating giants, goal fests with decent tactics, awesome youth players, international stars up the ass and one of the best historical teams in football history, weekend after weekend?

Watch the Bundesliga, kids Afro
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Post by Adit Wed Sep 07, 2011 6:41 pm

What huge gap? having one more title contenders in chelsea?

or are you saying EPL out side top 4 teams are better than LA liga out side top 4 teams? Which is not true bcz LA liga has won alot more Europa leagues than EPL (in last 27 years epl has only 1 while in last 10 year alone liga has 5)
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Post by Lord Hades Wed Sep 07, 2011 6:47 pm

Sushi Master wrote:If people don't believe Liverpool will challenge for the title with a great squad, legendary manager and them being completely out of any European competition, enabling them to focus their attention at home: you're insane.

If you're writing off Arsenal after 3 matches, you're also insane.

La Liga is not a bad league, but when it comes to competiveness it has a huge, huge gap when you compare it to other leagues.

But to settle this, you want an exciting unpredictable league, underdogs beating giants, goal fests with decent tactics, awesome youth players, international stars up the ass and one of the best historical teams in football history, weekend after weekend?

Watch the Bundesliga, kids Afro


i have not written arsenal off after 3 matches.. i have written them off after 6 seasons off underacheivement

and liverpool wont win because they wont seriously fight directly for the title THIS SEASON.. its mroe about getting into the top 4 and then improving the squad with further additions..plus its not that great a squad, certainly not as good as united,city and when they get their act together chelsea.. so title challenge - liverpool? - NO
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