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Post by Sushi Master Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:25 pm

Lionel Messi wrote:I dislike diving and I'm sure any football fan does, it makes me cringe when I see a player dive no matter who it is.
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Post by Albiceleste Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:28 pm

Lord Hispano wrote:
Lionel Messi wrote:I dislike diving and I'm sure any football fan does, it makes me cringe when I see a player dive no matter who it is.

So why erupt when Suarez does it and not when Iniesta, Alves, Busquets do it?
They haven't dove while the new forums are up lmao

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Post by Lord Awesome Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:31 pm

Lionel Messi wrote:So why erupt when Suarez does it and not when Iniesta, Alves, Busquets do it?
They haven't dove while the new forums are up lmao [/quote]




I even gave you rep on that one.

LMAO


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Post by Babun Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:31 pm

Who needs Messi or CR7 in the NT when you have guys like Suarez. They don't depend on systems, you can't completly mark them out and they play for their country with passion Very Happy
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Post by Babun Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:33 pm

Lord Hispano wrote:
Lionel Messi wrote:So why erupt when Suarez does it and not when Iniesta, Alves, Busquets do it?
They haven't dove while the new forums are up lmao
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How are you doing Hispano? Very Happy Where is the ultimate Uruguay fan? If I were him I'd flame like no tomorrow Very Happy
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Post by Lord Awesome Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:35 pm

babun1024 wrote:
Lord Hispano wrote:
Lionel Messi wrote:So why erupt when Suarez does it and not when Iniesta, Alves, Busquets do it?
They haven't dove while the new forums are up lmao
How are you doing Hispano? Very Happy Where is the ultimate Uruguay fan? If I were him I'd flame like no tomorrow Very Happy[/quote]

Hey Babun hw ya been, man?

Uruguay's banned, unfortunately.
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Post by Babun Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:38 pm

Lord Hispano wrote:
babun1024 wrote:
Lord Hispano wrote:
Lionel Messi wrote:So why erupt when Suarez does it and not when Iniesta, Alves, Busquets do it?
They haven't dove while the new forums are up lmao
How are you doing Hispano? Very Happy Where is the ultimate Uruguay fan? If I were him I'd flame like no tomorrow Very Happy

Hey Babun hw ya been, man?

Uruguay's banned, unfortunately.[/quote]
I was cooked alive in Italy ( too hot) Very Happy Permanent ban or temporary? Very Happy
Inform me about Valencia, did you guys make the team stronger during my absence ? Very Happy


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Post by Doc Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:39 pm

Could be perma, could be temp. Don't wanna question the decision of mods these days...
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Post by Lord Awesome Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:40 pm

babun1024 wrote:
Uruguay's banned, unfortunately.
I was cooked alive in Italy ( too hot) Very Happy

Permanent ban or temporary? Very Happy[/quote]

Hopefully not permanent. Razz

What were you doin' in Italy? Vacation?
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Post by Albiceleste Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:41 pm

Doc wrote:Could be perma, could be temp. Don't wanna question the decision of mods these days...
Probably was temp, now I think its permanent because first he got banned for racial slurs then he made more and more account harassing me and Ganso.

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Post by Lord Awesome Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:43 pm

Lionel Messi wrote:
Doc wrote:Could be perma, could be temp. Don't wanna question the decision of mods these days...
Probably was temp, now I think its permanent because first he got banned for racial slurs then he made more and more account harassing me and Ganso.

He even harassed you? Woah. Shocked That sucks.

He must have been extremely happy.


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Post by Babun Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:43 pm

Lord Hispano wrote:
babun1024 wrote:
Uruguay's banned, unfortunately.
I was cooked alive in Italy ( too hot) Very Happy

Permanent ban or temporary? Very Happy

Hopefully not permanent. Razz

What were you doin' in Italy? Vacation?[/quote]
Yeah Very Happy
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Post by Lord Awesome Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:45 pm

babun1024 wrote:
Lord Hispano wrote:
babun1024 wrote:
Uruguay's banned, unfortunately.
I was cooked alive in Italy ( too hot) Very Happy

Permanent ban or temporary? Very Happy

Hopefully not permanent. Razz

What were you doin' in Italy? Vacation?
Yeah Very Happy[/quote]

Lucky bastard. Where'd you go, exactly.

Mlan, Turin, Rome.
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Post by Ganso Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:51 pm

uruguay is never coming back...that dick
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Post by Lord Awesome Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:53 pm

Ganso wrote:uruguay is never coming back...that dick

Yeah, he was pretty aggresive towards you guys, especially.

Really undeserved.

And LOL at your sig. Very Happy
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Post by Lord Spencer Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:45 pm

Lord Spencer wrote:I need to bring in Dr. Spencer again I see.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflex_reaction

Read to understand the meaning of reflex;

But here goes my own version of the incident.

Suarez is in front of the goal, the ball is headed to his right and is in eye level.

The ball is a speeding projectile.

Swapping the ball would be as natural as a swapping a charging fly.

Simply put, it was a knee jerk reflex, only people with slow reflexes would not have reacted.

The three reflexes to incoming projectiles are:

1- Hand to face reaction. (about 50% do this)
2- Swatting the projectile. (about 30% do this)
3- Ducking. (the rest 20%) do this.

People typically only do one of those, and they do them all the time.

Note that you need to be unconscious to the fact that the projectile will be headed your way . (or else goal keepers may duck all the time).

In summary,

Suarez did a reflex reaction to the incoming projectile, he had no time to think or to plan what to do. His reflex was to swat the ball. Another player might have ducked or put his hand to his face, but Suarez is a swatter.

End of story, it might be called cheating, but it just a product of human anatomy.

Dr. Spencer, out.

This end the Suarez handball discussion, don't ignore sensible posts please.
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Post by Albiceleste Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:56 pm

It wasn't a reflex, he brought his hands up to swat it out of the air, it was his intention to keep the ball out of the goal with his hands, not to protect his face. You're not the be all end all of every argument.

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Post by Sushi Master Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:17 pm

I think he's being sarcastic, man. Very Happy

Although with the Lord you can never tell.
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Post by Lord Spencer Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:36 am

Apparently Lionel Messi is an expert on reading minds.

As I see, the box was crowded, and Suarez did not have a direct line of sight to the ball. When the ball cam at him, he probably was as surprised as anyone would be.

The amount of time he needs to make a decision is very little, read this for further info on the time needed to make accountable decisions;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decision_making

Since there was not time to make a decision, it is naturally a reflex reaction to an incoming projectile, I thought I already explained how there are 3 different reflex reactions to incoming projectiles. It is not like Suarez made a diving save.

Point is, 30% of players would have done the exact same thing, Suarez was successful in effectively swatting the ball out.

Notice that I did not contradict the notion that Suarez is a diving cheat, it is just that he cannot be blamed for guarding the net against Ghana when it was simply a product of human anatomy.

Thank you
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Post by kiranr Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:45 am

Lord Spencer wrote:Apparently Lionel Messi is an expert on reading minds.

As I see, the box was crowded, and Suarez did not have a direct line of sight to the ball. When the ball cam at him, he probably was as surprised as anyone would be.

The amount of time he needs to make a decision is very little, read this for further info on the time needed to make accountable decisions;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decision_making

Since there was not time to make a decision, it is naturally a reflex reaction to an incoming projectile, I thought I already explained how there are 3 different reflex reactions to incoming projectiles. It is not like Suarez made a diving save.

Point is, 30% of players would have done the exact same thing, Suarez was successful in effectively swatting the ball out.

Notice that I did not contradict the notion that Suarez is a diving cheat, it is just that he cannot be blamed for guarding the net against Ghana when it was simply a product of human anatomy.

Thank you

Are you saying that he had no motive in swatting the ball away from the goal?
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Post by Albiceleste Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:48 am

He knew exactly what he was doing and should take full blame.

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Post by Red Alert Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:40 am

He got sent off did he not? He did the crime, he got sent off. I don't see how he "cheated."

Also, what disrespectul f*ck wants a players leg to break?
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Post by izzy Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:41 am

Hmmmm.... I thought this was an appeciation thread?

So much butt hurt behaviour.
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Post by billy_gr Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:45 am

What’s the thread’s topic again?

Right… I think he’s one of the best right now.
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Post by Lord Spencer Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:31 am

kiranr wrote:
Lord Spencer wrote:Apparently Lionel Messi is an expert on reading minds.

As I see, the box was crowded, and Suarez did not have a direct line of sight to the ball. When the ball cam at him, he probably was as surprised as anyone would be.

The amount of time he needs to make a decision is very little, read this for further info on the time needed to make accountable decisions;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decision_making

Since there was not time to make a decision, it is naturally a reflex reaction to an incoming projectile, I thought I already explained how there are 3 different reflex reactions to incoming projectiles. It is not like Suarez made a diving save.

Point is, 30% of players would have done the exact same thing, Suarez was successful in effectively swatting the ball out.

Notice that I did not contradict the notion that Suarez is a diving cheat, it is just that he cannot be blamed for guarding the net against Ghana when it was simply a product of human anatomy.

Thank you

Are you saying that he had no motive in swatting the ball away from the goal?

We all see the motive in the action, but we don't see that the action was a reflex reaction. He did indeed shove the ball out of the net, and it might as well have been fully intentional, but the situation he was in demanded a reaction, and what he did would have been done by 30% or more of the players regardless of their behavior.

In any case, handling the ball was a natural bi product of match tension and human anatomy. Regardless of the presence of a motive. In fact, the ball could have been headed to his head and he would have swatted it into goal if that was the case, but the ball went to his right and he swatted away from goal. It was not a diving save.

It does not take away anything from his cheating behavior, but constantly looking to that handball is unfair, especially when it was not fully conscious behavior.
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Post by Lord Spencer Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:36 am

Lionel Messi wrote:He knew exactly what he was doing and should take full blame.

The butt hurt is strong in this one.

Seriously, are you a mind reader or something?

It is infinity more dishonorable to score using handballs than to defend incoming balls using your hand, since the former is rarely caught while the latter is rarely not caught and the perpetrators, if conscious of their action know that they are probably going to be red carded and a penalty will be given.
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