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Post by Robespierre Sun Mar 20, 2022 5:42 pm

Totti- eque free kick by Pellegrini

Roma - Lazio 3-0 at Half Time !

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Post by McLewis Sun Mar 20, 2022 7:02 pm

Probably the biggest and best win of the Mou era thus far. There was a hunger to this team that was on display today for more collective minutes than at any other time all season. They were relentless, focused, aggressive, poised and composed.

The challenge is keeping this level of ability consistently. We're on an unbeaten run right now, but there really should be asterisks around that, this game notwithstanding. We haven't looked like a team that has gone 8 games unbeaten, until today at least.
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Post by Lord Awesome Mon Mar 21, 2022 2:40 am

McLewis wrote:Probably the biggest and best win of the Mou era thus far. There was a hunger to this team that was on display today for more collective minutes than at any other time all season. They were relentless, focused, aggressive, poised and composed.

The challenge is keeping this level of ability consistently. We're on an unbeaten run right now, but there really should be asterisks around that, this game notwithstanding. We haven't looked like a team that has gone 8 games unbeaten, until today at least.
To top it off Abraham has now been able to find the net. Roma have real punch upfront thanks to his recent form. The start of the season might be attributed to bad luck on his part. Sergio Oliveira too has come in handy as well. Seria A and Coppa are over but there's still Conference League up for grabs this season.
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Post by Hapless_Hans Mon Mar 21, 2022 9:50 am

What a massive win for Roma. PL-proven Tammy almost with a hattrick in the derby. Pellegrini is a boss.
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Post by rincon Mon Mar 21, 2022 1:00 pm

Roma has been surprisingly entertaining this season. Even Mourinho cannot make Roma boring, he just added an extra level of banter to it.

With every other player injured at the moment need Pellegrini to come in and make his impact on the NT.
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Post by Robespierre Mon Mar 21, 2022 1:40 pm

Abraham was more worthy than Dzeko to be on banner

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Post by McLewis Mon Mar 21, 2022 2:55 pm

Tammy's xG is outrageous. It was definitely bad luck earlier in the season considering how many times he hit the post. Should be firmly in the Golden Boot race otherwise.

Beyond the goals though, he brings an energy, an erreverence, an enthusiam to the team that Dzeko just didn't, and I say that as someone who really liked him and feel him fully deserving of his status in the pantheon of legendary Roma strikers. Tammy is just a very different player and brings multiple dimensions to the team. All of that has made him a fan favorite, locker room leader and among Mou's most trusted players.

TL;DR - Tammy is a problem for just about any defense he faces and everyone loves him for it.
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Post by rincon Tue Mar 22, 2022 1:34 pm

It seems like we will go for Zaniolo, reported by everyone.

Chiesa - Vlahovic - Zaniolo

an exciting prospect for the attack.
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Post by Arquitecto Tue Mar 22, 2022 1:50 pm

Juve replacing an injury prone inconsistent player for an even more injury prone and inconsistent talent Laughing

Brilliance.
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Post by M99 Tue Mar 22, 2022 2:28 pm

In all seriousness, our schedule is pretty hard after the Bologna game. Really hope Juve and Inter draw. Seven points is easily catchable for Juve.
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Post by Robespierre Tue Mar 22, 2022 3:21 pm

M99 wrote:In all seriousness, our schedule is pretty hard after the Bologna game. Really hope Juve and Inter draw. Seven points is easily catchable for Juve.

Just on paper, those teams will be on holiday.
Atalanta without targets and same for Sassuolo.
And if you consider Genoa as hard...
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Post by M99 Tue Mar 22, 2022 5:14 pm

Robespierre wrote:
M99 wrote:In all seriousness, our schedule is pretty hard after the Bologna game. Really hope Juve and Inter draw. Seven points is easily catchable for Juve.

Just on paper, those teams will be on holiday.
Atalanta without targets and same for Sassuolo.
And if you consider Genoa as hard...


I consider Lazio and Fiorentina as hard along with Atalanta and Sassuolo as you mentioned.
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Post by Lord Spencer Tue Mar 22, 2022 5:20 pm

There is no such thing as a team playing on a holiday.

Verona knocked out Napoli from the CL last year despite not playing for anything, and I remember us being knocked out of the CL spots by a team playing for nothing either (I think Fiorentina).

In fact, the fact that they don't need to win might make them more likely to play relaxed and take points.

We are at 3,4, and 7 points advantage over rivals. With Napoli in our tail, we cannot even afford one loss.

I think that all teams will drop points, making it competitive until the last two matchday. Which isn't good for anyone's heart.
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Post by Arquitecto Tue Mar 22, 2022 5:21 pm

Calling it here and had it in my head for over a week.

We're well on our way to win the Scudetto.

Juve are too levelled by the loss of Villareal to catch up whereas Inter have lost major steam.

This is is for us and Piolol. Mark it.
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Post by Lord Spencer Tue Mar 22, 2022 5:30 pm

Just as an exercise, I calculated the difficulty of the remaining matches for all four teams competing for the scudetto. The top 7 teams are 3 points, mid-table teams are 2 points, and the lower table teams are 1 point.

Milan: 17 points.
Napoli: 15 points.
Inter: 15 points including their game in hand.
Juve: 15 points.

So Milan actually has the most difficult run until the end (slightly), while everyone else is equal.

The interesting point is that only Juve and Inter will play each other, so that's one of them losing points to the other.
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Post by M99 Tue Mar 22, 2022 7:32 pm

The Udinese and Salertiana draws feel especially infuriating now ffs.
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Post by adun101 Tue Mar 22, 2022 10:23 pm

rincon wrote:It seems like we will go for Zaniolo, reported by everyone.

Chiesa - Vlahovic - Zaniolo

an exciting prospect for the attack.


Hopefully not like this, because he's a central midfielder. As a winger, he was good only with Fonseca because his wingers were tucking inwards, but with Mou and Ranieri he was a mix of shit and meh
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Post by adun101 Tue Mar 22, 2022 10:26 pm

Robespierre wrote:
M99 wrote:In all seriousness, our schedule is pretty hard after the Bologna game. Really hope Juve and Inter draw. Seven points is easily catchable for Juve.

Just on paper, those teams will be on holiday.
Atalanta without targets and same for Sassuolo.
And if you consider Genoa as hard...


Genoa under their new coach: 1 win, 7 draws, 3-2 GD
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Post by Robespierre Wed Mar 23, 2022 9:12 am

yes this streak can't last eternally, they're overperforming

but honestly, I  think Serie A title is closed. But after Napoli- Milan 0-1 , the real turning point.
Milan are solid and moreover who can take it away ?

Just some not Inter fans can give chances to Inter, it 's not matter of points, but psychic state.
It's NEVER a team that can recuperate points suddenly, not by chance 1 victory in lasty 7 matches.

Juve are far. 7 points are many for a club that has never got a long win - streak this year ( and Milan should flop 3 matches at least )

Napoli are close at the table, but Napoli pls. They can't win it because they are Napoli.
If they move to the Northern and they convert their kit in stripes perhaps it's possible.
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Post by Robespierre Wed Mar 23, 2022 2:57 pm

Finally
the only good thing for Inter this month
I can resume my old avatar

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Post by M99 Fri Mar 25, 2022 8:34 pm

Fabio Capello wrote:Italian football has imitated Guardiola for 15 years.

There were no vertical passes or physical strength, there is no habit to making challenges. On the other hand, we should follow Jurgen Klopp’s playing style.

The only ones doing that in Italy are Atalanta and look at their results. Vincenzo Italiano is trying something similar, same as Alexander Blessin at Genoa who is offering even something more than Klopp. The German way is the model to follow, we don’t have the technique to look at the Spanish one.

There is a high pace in European competition and we are not accustomed to it,” the ex-coach continued.

There are not enough young Italian players, but there is a wrong idea at its base. We are the country of the back pass to the goalkeeper.

Victor Osimhen, Romelu Lukaku and Tammy Abraham were just normal strikers abroad. They became champions in Italy. This should raise some questions.

Sometimes, I am surprised to read some stats. ‘That player made 45 passes…’ Ok, but how many were key passes? How many of those passes were useful?

Thoughts?
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Post by McLewis Fri Mar 25, 2022 8:47 pm

He's correct, of course.

I'm very much pro-verticality, pro-dynamism when it comes to passing and tempo.

Pepball is just really boring to watch. It's effective, in a really Machievellian way, that I seriously respect, but it's just not watchable to me.

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Post by Hapless_Hans Fri Mar 25, 2022 9:07 pm

M99 wrote:
Fabio Capello wrote:Italian football has imitated Guardiola for 15 years.

There were no vertical passes or physical strength, there is no habit to making challenges. On the other hand, we should follow Jurgen Klopp’s playing style.

The only ones doing that in Italy are Atalanta and look at their results. Vincenzo Italiano is trying something similar, same as Alexander Blessin at Genoa who is offering even something more than Klopp. The German way is the model to follow, we don’t have the technique to look at the Spanish one.

There is a high pace in European competition and we are not accustomed to it,” the ex-coach continued.

There are not enough young Italian players, but there is a wrong idea at its base. We are the country of the back pass to the goalkeeper.

Victor Osimhen, Romelu Lukaku and Tammy Abraham were just normal strikers abroad. They became champions in Italy. This should raise some questions.

Sometimes, I am surprised to read some stats. ‘That player made 45 passes…’ Ok, but how many were key passes? How many of those passes were useful?

Thoughts?


Ok, boomer
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Post by Robespierre Fri Mar 25, 2022 9:26 pm

Yep Capello is a dinosaur even when he talks , I hear him on Sky Italy .... So many common places ....
For example about Blessin... Just because he is German so he should seems Klopp ? Laughing
Probably he has never watched a Genoa match because Genoa essentially park bus Laughing
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Post by Casciavit Sat Mar 26, 2022 7:18 pm

Such a lazy outdated take.

Pep's teams do play vertical passes. They aren't 2012 Spain. Klopp's teams aren't some basic counter pressing team either. Liverpool's positional play and possession game is at a high level.

I think football DNA is an actual thing. If your country and clubs breed specific type of players then it is probably wise to hire coaches who play like that.

Italy won the Euros playing possession football. The top Italian coaches are mainly proactive. Sarri, De Zerbi, Inzaghi, and Pioli all want the ball. Maybe Conte and Allegri not so much but the new breed of Italian coaches are proactive.

Even the players coming in. Italy's midfield is filled with players who want the ball at their feet. Bonnuci is one of the best ball playing CB's ever. Bastoni is good on the ball too.

If they hired a counter attacking coach it wouldn't have made a difference against Macedonia. They were always going to park the bus and a counter attacking coach would've struggled even more to break them down.

It came down to attacking quality. Pep has a nice quote where he said he can implement the best positional structure out there but at some point a player has to dribble to break defensive lines.

Chiesa carries Italy's attack. Honestly him and Spinazzola are the only ones who have that x factor. Italy's offense is shit without them.

Like what star winger is coming up in Italy? We talk about Chiesa like he's 19, but he's turning 25 later this year!

Changing the coach won't make any difference if the players coming up don't suit that style. You aren't going to be like Germany or France if you don't have tanks in midfield like Goretzka or Pogba, or if you don't have 1v1 wingers like Sané or Mbappe. The players coming up dictate the style you want to play. If you want to develop players like that then the training system needs to be changed for the kids growing up.
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Post by Hapless_Hans Sun Apr 03, 2022 7:51 pm

So two chicks singing "Imagine" with Ukraine bracelets to start of the Derby d'Italia? Oh man.
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