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Post by Jesp Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:02 pm

@Superstone Mariomintsch wrote:
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@Hapless_Hans wrote:I mean, just put on the Bayern players, it shouldn't be too hard

Well maybe, but not Sane,never seen him have a good game for Germany or for bayern for that matter. As bad as this German team is, they probably will beat the Limeys

Goretzka, Muller, Musiala, and Coman on the other game all have done well coming on. Bayern indeed have the strongest squad. But Sane, he's just terrible man. What a shame


i guess Sane has just yet to hit the gear
he is good but i dont think he likes this 3-4-1-2 ...with him needing to play wide as wingback

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Post by BarcaLearning Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:02 pm

Jesp I think its now France v Swiss, Germany v England, Porgual v Belgium, not 100% sure but something like that Razz
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Post by Casciavit Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:02 pm

Caught the last 30 min of the Germany game.

Wasn't sure why Low didn't move Kimmich to RCB earlier considering how much space Ginter was given. Kimmichh's crossing from that half space area is elite. Not surprised a goal shortly followed once he made that adjustment. Sane playing RWB was pretty dumb too. He doesn't have a right foot. If he's going to play he needs to be shoved to the left touchline until he recovers his form. That last minute pass summed it up. Awful stuff lately from him.

Whenever Goretzka gets the ball at the edge of the box you just have a feeling it's a goal. He rips them in. He needs to be starting.

Germany struggled getting past Hungary's 5 man defense. With more teams defending like that I expect the next evolution to combat it being a 3-1-6. Naglesmann's already doing that.
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Post by Jesp Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:02 pm

@elfmeter wrote:Sane could have won the group for them in the end minutes, but kicks the ball a mile away instead.
I agree, Hungaria deserve better from this, too bad for them.


indeed he had this massive chance free with no pressure and also his team mates with defenders behind them ... that was a bit of a mess from him.
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Post by Jesp Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:04 pm

@BarcaLearning wrote:Jesp I think its now France v Swiss, Germany v England, Porgual v Belgium, not 100% sure but something like that Razz


lol Spicy... i like it .... !
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Post by M99 Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:04 pm

Both France and Portugal was happy with the draw in the final 10 mins.

Cowardice by Santos especially, he could have gotten Switzerland instead of Belgium if he went for the win.
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Post by Superstone Mariomintsch Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:05 pm

@Jesp wrote:massive respect for Hungarians! incredible team .. just undeservedly went home. they deserve to go far in this tournament ..

Hungary were absolutely brilliant with their warrior-like display. They were much better than Turkey, Russia, Macedonia, Scotland, Poland, and some of the 3rd placed teams. It's a cruel fate for them to be in this group. Majority thought they wouldn't get anything from this group, but if they didn't have the late collapse against Portugal (and today) they would've deservedly go through the group.

Whew! What a great last day of the group stage! And yeah, England plays Germany
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Post by Superstone Mariomintsch Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:07 pm

@BarcaLearning wrote:Jesp I think its now France v Swiss, Germany v England, Porgual v Belgium, not 100% sure but something like that Razz

Yes, I think that's the correct matchup BarcaLearning Razz
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Post by El Gunner Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:07 pm

man like Koundé
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Post by Jesp Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:08 pm

@Casciavit wrote:Caught the last 30 min of the Germany game.

Wasn't sure why Low didn't move Kimmich to RCB earlier considering how much space Ginter was given. Kimmichh's crossing from that half space area is elite. Not surprised a goal shortly followed once he made that adjustment. Sane playing RWB was pretty dumb too. He doesn't have a right foot. If he's going to play he needs to be shoved to the left touchline until he recovers his form. That last minute pass summed it up. Awful stuff lately from him.

Whenever Goretzka gets the ball at the edge of the box you just have a feeling it's a goal. He rips them in. He needs to be starting.

Germany struggled getting past Hungary's 5 man defense. With more teams defending like that I expect the next evolution to combat it being a 3-1-6. Naglesmann's already doing that.


on Sane for sure! he just didnt enjoy that position .. he should have played more in the left ... actually he doesnt seems to like that 3-4-1-2.
and i agree with gorezka too but didnt he had some injury issues at bayern hence they didnt want to like risk bringing him too early on?

anyway gorezka is unbelieveable there.
on gosens... ur on point where hungarians played 5 man defense and widened so much to the extent that gosens was not thate effective

but i am expecting against England them to be more open! this will give Germans better chance to operate
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Post by El Gunner Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:08 pm

@BarcaLearning wrote:Jesp I think its now France v Swiss, Germany v England, Porgual v Belgium, not 100% sure but something like that Razz

Portugal v Belgium should be fire
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Post by Jesp Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:13 pm

@Superstone Mariomintsch wrote:
@Jesp wrote:massive respect for Hungarians! incredible team .. just undeservedly went home. they deserve to go far in this tournament ..

Hungary were absolutely brilliant with their warrior-like display. They were much better than Turkey, Russia, Macedonia, Scotland, Poland, and some of the 3rd placed teams. It's a cruel fate for them to be in this group. Majority thought they wouldn't get anything from this group, but if they didn't have the late collapse against Portugal (and today) they would've deservedly go through the group.

Whew! What a great last day of the group stage! And yeah, England plays Germany

oh yea... absolutely! i agree they were way better than the teams u mentioned above. also they were missing domenec sobozlai who has this quality to become future hungarian superstar. incredibly unlucky to be drawn in this group indeed... but like u said they fought against top tier teams and really almost got through.

the late portugal goals probably was a reason but for sure they played better against germany! i seriously didnt expect this.
it was not just parking everyone at the back but the way with confidence they could bring the ball forward was so goood ...
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Post by Superstone Mariomintsch Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:14 pm

@Jesp wrote:
@Casciavit wrote:Caught the last 30 min of the Germany game.

Wasn't sure why Low didn't move Kimmich to RCB earlier considering how much space Ginter was given. Kimmichh's crossing from that half space area is elite. Not surprised a goal shortly followed once he made that adjustment. Sane playing RWB was pretty dumb too. He doesn't have a right foot. If he's going to play he needs to be shoved to the left touchline until he recovers his form. That last minute pass summed it up. Awful stuff lately from him.

Whenever Goretzka gets the ball at the edge of the box you just have a feeling it's a goal. He rips them in. He needs to be starting.

Germany struggled getting past Hungary's 5 man defense. With more teams defending like that I expect the next evolution to combat it being a 3-1-6. Naglesmann's already doing that.


on Sane for sure! he just didnt enjoy that position .. he should have played more in the left ... actually he doesnt seems to like that 3-4-1-2.
and i agree with gorezka too but didnt he had some injury issues at bayern hence they didnt want to like risk bringing him too early on?

anyway gorezka is unbelieveable there.
on gosens... ur on point where hungarians played 5 man defense and widened so much to the extent that gosens was not thate effective

but i am expecting against England them to be more open! this will give Germans better chance to operate

Him not enjoying that position shouldn't excuse that terrible delivery. Yes it was his weaker foot, but simple low cross should be doable, instead he hit it so high and far like that?
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Post by Jesp Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:17 pm

@Superstone Mariomintsch wrote:
@Jesp wrote:
@Casciavit wrote:Caught the last 30 min of the Germany game.

Wasn't sure why Low didn't move Kimmich to RCB earlier considering how much space Ginter was given. Kimmichh's crossing from that half space area is elite. Not surprised a goal shortly followed once he made that adjustment. Sane playing RWB was pretty dumb too. He doesn't have a right foot. If he's going to play he needs to be shoved to the left touchline until he recovers his form. That last minute pass summed it up. Awful stuff lately from him.

Whenever Goretzka gets the ball at the edge of the box you just have a feeling it's a goal. He rips them in. He needs to be starting.

Germany struggled getting past Hungary's 5 man defense. With more teams defending like that I expect the next evolution to combat it being a 3-1-6. Naglesmann's already doing that.


on Sane for sure! he just didnt enjoy that position .. he should have played more in the left ... actually he doesnt seems to like that 3-4-1-2.
and i agree with gorezka too but didnt he had some injury issues at bayern hence they didnt want to like risk bringing him too early on?

anyway gorezka is unbelieveable there.
on gosens... ur on point where hungarians played 5 man defense and widened so much to the extent that gosens was not thate effective

but i am expecting against England them to be more open! this will give Germans better chance to operate

Him not enjoying that position shouldn't excuse that terrible delivery. Yes it was his weaker foot, but simple low cross should be doable, instead he hit it so high and far like that?


yea that was a mess from Sane with two additional forwards joining alongside him for support he should have just passed instead of taking aim .
lets hope we get to see Sane that we saw at mancity against England! he got this
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Post by BarcaLearning Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:17 pm

I hadnt watched Hungary at all, guess its just personal preference for the big name teams more and the fact that the bigger match ups are just too good to miss. Anyway, interesting how teams adjust themselves according to the situation they face. Im sure they have had to raise their game to avoid humiliation and the fact they done that and actually pushed Germany all the way making this group so enjoyable is really great credit to them.

Some teams in previous tournaments get drubbed x-0 for 3 games and go home with no positives.
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Post by BarcaLearning Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:19 pm

Sane is a weird, whenever I watch him for Bayern I think he seems fine personally, but clearly he lacks chemistry with his teammates, and so appears same for NT so definitely need a lot of work for him on this important side of the game, cant be too individualistic nowadays.
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Post by Jesp Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:20 pm

@BarcaLearning wrote:I hadnt watched Hungary at all, guess its just personal preference for the big name teams more and the fact that the bigger match ups are just too good to miss. Anyway, interesting how teams adjust themselves according to the situation they face. Im sure they have had to raise their game to avoid humiliation and the fact they done that and actually pushed Germany all the way making this group so enjoyable is really great credit to them.

Some teams in previous tournaments get drubbed x-0 for 3 games and go home with no positives.


no one in that group probably expected Hungarians to be this good lol. not even after portgual scored late on or even against france . they were definitely the team who did better against them. Germany nearly lost this game tbh... they even hit the post on freekick late on
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Post by Superstone Mariomintsch Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:21 pm

@Jesp wrote:
@Superstone Mariomintsch wrote:
@Jesp wrote:massive respect for Hungarians! incredible team .. just undeservedly went home. they deserve to go far in this tournament ..

Hungary were absolutely brilliant with their warrior-like display. They were much better than Turkey, Russia, Macedonia, Scotland, Poland, and some of the 3rd placed teams. It's a cruel fate for them to be in this group. Majority thought they wouldn't get anything from this group, but if they didn't have the late collapse against Portugal (and today) they would've deservedly go through the group.

Whew! What a great last day of the group stage! And yeah, England plays Germany

oh yea... absolutely! i agree they were way better than the teams u mentioned above. also they were missing domenec sobozlai who has this quality to become future hungarian superstar. incredibly unlucky to be drawn in this group indeed... but like u said they fought against top tier teams and really almost got through.

the late portugal goals probably was a reason but for sure they played better against germany! i seriously didnt expect this.
it was not just parking everyone at the back but the way with confidence they could bring the ball forward was so goood ...

Yeah I think almost nobody expected them to perform this well. They defended valiantly and they actually attacked well, creating dangers when they went forward. People picked Turkey and Ukraine as the dark horse, but they didn't perform and fight as well as Hungary. And yeah withouth their main star Dominik Szoboszlai. They should look forward to Qatar next year if they can keep up these performances
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Post by Jesp Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:22 pm

@BarcaLearning wrote:Sane is a weird, whenever I watch him for Bayern I think he seems fine personally, but clearly he lacks chemistry with his teammates, and so appears same for NT so definitely need a lot of work for him on this important side of the game, cant be too individualistic nowadays.


i expect Germans to get better though. i mean they play well but they were really made to work hard. nowadays lot of teams are transitioning to 3 man defense with wide players alongside midfield so Germany team feels to be in a bit of a learning phase on this one. its just what i think i think they can do better
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Post by VivaStPauli Wed Jun 23, 2021 7:39 pm

Holy shit Löw is a shit coach.

After Sané not performing for an entire match, Löw takes off Havertz, Gnabry, Gündogan (ok, injured), Ginter, Gosens and leaves on Sané?
OMG.

I'm just glad we're meeting England, the only team with a manager just as insane.
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Post by Lord Awesome Wed Jun 23, 2021 7:41 pm

Yeah Hungary deserve that shoutout tbh. The draw vs France not really a fluke at all the way I see it and Portugal legit struggled with them even tho the scoreline didn't reflect that.
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Post by Myesyats Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:10 pm

@VivaStPauli wrote:Holy shit Löw is a shit coach.

After Sané not performing for an entire match, Löw takes off Havertz, Gnabry, Gündogan (ok, injured), Ginter, Gosens and leaves on Sané?
OMG.

I'm just glad we're meeting England, the only team with a manager just as insane.

Agreed.... wtf is Sane even doing. Such a nothing player and a waste of space, truly

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Post by sportsczy Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:12 pm

Typical France group phase. Playing to qualify and not really worrying about style at all. DD has to make a couple of adjustment though:

- Lucas Digne is out of the Euro with injury and Hernandez is hobbled. Rabiot to the rescue as a LB lol.

- Lemar needs to play ahead of Tolisso. Tolisso is quasi useless out there in that position

- I really hate how conservative every action is. Instead of using the talent advantage and taking on the opponent... every pass is safe. Every movement is designed to make sure there are no defensive gaps if we lose the ball. It's slow and laborious for no reason.

Anyhow, I fully expect us to beat Switzerland and the winner of Spain/Croatia. The semis will be interesting though.
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Post by Lord Awesome Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:56 pm

Couldve used Theo Hernandez as a backup too honestly. Im surprised he isn't on the team. Also surprised Laporte was never included after all this time. Never thought I'd see him play for Spain.
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Post by Superstone Mariomintsch Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:54 pm

@VivaStPauli wrote:Holy shit Löw is a shit coach.

After Sané not performing for an entire match, Löw takes off Havertz, Gnabry, Gündogan (ok, injured), Ginter, Gosens and leaves on Sané?
OMG.

I'm just glad we're meeting England, the only team with a manager just as insane.

Laughing I get your disdain for Löw, but we need to understand the situation when he's making those subs. He subbed Gündogan who's injured with Goretzka who later saved the day, Goretzka was always going to come on anyway. Then he subbed Havertz and Gnabry who are tired after featuring majorly in the first 2 games with Muller and Werner, the more experienced attackers, with plenty of minutes still left. Then when losing 1 goal behind in the latter stages, he subbed Ginter and Gosens with Musiala and Volland, attacking substitutions.

In hindsight, you might think why didn't he sub Sane instead of Havertz or Gnabry. It's because Sane is fresher and there're still time to rectify his mistakes. If he then scored, assisted or played well, he will be forgiven. But he didn't take the chance and the confidence given, and I think that's mainly Sane's fault, not Löw's.

Southgate is quite different, my stance on him is quite neutral, but so far he's very conservative and didn't utilize his bench maximally, in that he's not going to make the attacking substitutions that Löw makes. And he will bring on player in later minutes in the game
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Post by VivaStPauli Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:46 am

How dare you bring a measured approach to my angry rant?
I was enjoying all that  rage!


On a more serious note, Sané was so obviously bad though he should've been off. Could've let Gnabry play through, he didn't seem exhausted, just had an unlucky night.

More to the point: Hungary adjusted well to the German wing-backs and marked Kimmich and Gosens throughout - this resulted in LOADS of space down the middle, which Sané was just incapable of utilizing because... Honestly I don't know why. If Löw had brought any change to actually punish Hungary for giving up the middle of the pitch, it would've been a very different game, and I cannot fathom how inept of a manager you have to be to not see that.


Edit: I know he at least tried in the end with switching Sané to the wing, but that was way too late, he should've done it at the half-time whistle at the latest.
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