Re: The US Politics Thread

[Pedram]

Trump is officially the president elect with the Wisconsin win.

This is really embarrassing for Democrats, not being able to win a single swing state.

[Myesyats]

We ran 80,000 election simulations and women are pissed off and well-organized in every one of them

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) November 6, 2024

Meh. As I said, they are out of touch with regular people. And it seems they think abortion is a bigger issue than it actually is

[Myesyats]

More electoral votes than vs Hillary is the projection. This is really a blowout

[Pedram]

This is much worse than Hillary 2016, she got blown the fuck out in turnout too.

Next time do an actual primary Democrats.

[Vibe]

But the polls...

[Arquitecto]

Anyone who refers to the polls is a fucking idiot. Trump is far more supported than people think especially worldwide. He has this in the bag.

[Myesyats]

The polls were showing every swing state as very close so  the rule that Trump overpoerforms polls was correct again.

I had a feeling towards the end that pollsters were herding as Nate Silver explained and trying to make the race seem closer than it actually was. Perhaps they were afraid of predicting a blowout and wanted to play it safe but they failed anyway.

[BarrileteCosmico]

She's losing the popular vote by 5m Pollsters absolutely disqualified.

It ultimately comes down to Biden not dropping off until the last possible moment. He was elected to get rid of Trump and Biden's ego got him back.

[sportsczy]

Kamala Harris should never have been the candidate.  She was a failed DA in San Francisco.  She failed as a presidential candidate in 2020 early in the democratic primaries.  She was the most unpopular VP in history.  Yet, the democrats decided to forego the primary (very democratic of them) and shove her down the voters' throats. Well the voters gave them the middle finger.

Extremist leftist views play well in their echo chambers (the mainstream media) but not with mainstream America.

The entire platform for Harris was based on fear of Trump.  She presented no ideas, no solutions, nothing.  It worked in 2020 because of the pandemic... but we're not in a pandemic environment anymore.  You need ideas and answers.

Senate is Republican as well with Congress likely today.

So Trump has the presidency, Senate, Congress and the Supreme Court.

I personally like some checks and balances even though I'm conservative.  It's dangerous to have one party hold all the keys.  But the democrats can only blame themselves.  They ran on a platform that, frankly, made most Americans throw up.

Re abortion - it's a State issue after Roe v Wade got thrown down. So there is no Federal policy on it. Women voters are thus more concerned about what their state legislature is doing re abortion than the President since the President has no say on the matter per the Supreme Court ruling. This simple fact escaped democrats but materialized in the voting.

[Myesyats]

Night before the election. share your prediction.

I got Michigan and Nevada wrong

I expected a cookout but even I, as optimistic as I am, didn’t expect this smoke.

[sportsczy]

Oh and polls were, once again, absolutely useless. I will never look at one again because it's a waste of time. Has any American citizen here every been called by one of these pollsters? I never have and I don't know anyone who has either. Who are they polling lol.

[Pedram]

HERE WE GO AGAIN!!!

Joe Scarborough says that Kamala Harris lost to Donald Trump because blacks and Latinos are s*xist and Latinos are r@cist!!!

pic.twitter.com/NlAE15ypAc

— Graham Allen (@GrahamAllen_1) November 6, 2024

Democrats are cooked as long as these sort of people are running their party.

Zero retrospection. just keep attacking and scolding minorities for not falling in line with your stupid policies.

[BarcaLearning]

I read that polls are done together with just historic data n some guess predictions in addition to actual live data from voters...

Anyway still, one of the main reason for the huge difference is I think someone here said b4 Trump voters tend to purposely be silent about who they will vote for right for various reasons right?

[Vibe]

Looking at the numbers in 2016, 2020, and 2024, something sticks out pretty badly, doesn't it.

I didn't follow 2020 closely and didn't believe the allegations much, just thought Trump was a sore loser, but logics imply otherwise now.

I am not saying it with certainty, but it is entirely possible.

[Myesyats]

Same people tell you Trump is a threat to democracy and hitler

TUCKER: "So how much pressure has there been on you to shut down X?"

ELON: "Well apart from multiple democrats saying they want to put me in jail, take away government contracts from my companies, nationalize my companies, deport me as an illegal, and have me arrested for… pic.twitter.com/IWsiJ50naT

— Autism Capital (@AutismCapital) November 6, 2024

[elitedam]

HERE WE GO AGAIN!!!

Joe Scarborough says that Kamala Harris lost to Donald Trump because blacks and Latinos are s*xist and Latinos are r@cist!!!

pic.twitter.com/NlAE15ypAc

— Graham Allen (@GrahamAllen_1) November 6, 2024

Democrats are cooked as long as these sort of people are running their party.

Zero retrospection. just keep attacking and scolding minorities for not falling in line with your stupid policies.

[sportsczy]

Looking at the numbers in 2016, 2020, and 2024, something sticks out pretty badly, doesn't it.

I didn't follow 2020 closely and didn't believe the allegations much, just thought Trump was a sore loser, but logics imply otherwise now.

I am not saying it with certainty, but it is entirely possible.

Election fraud is nothing new in US politics.  JFK won when the mafia stuffed ballot boxes as a favor to his father.  He was basically tied with Nixon and got the little extra push he needed as a result.
Read here:  https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1997-nov-09-mn-51973-story.html

Back then, we lived in a far more civilized time where political opponents were actually in agreement with 80% of policy... only 20% differed between democrats and republicans.  So Nixon and the GOP decided that it would be detrimental to the US for them to protest.  Of course, Nixon took it (falsely) as a carte blanche to do shady things himself.  Watergate was actually no worse than what JFK did... but I digress.

Anyhow, in 2020, you had an enormous amount of mail-in ballots because of the pandemic.  Also, the oversight of ballot counting was minimal again due to COVID-19 restrictions.  Given how close the race was (Biden literally won by getting Georgia with 11k more votes), it was easily conceivable, if not likely, that errors and corruption influenced the result.  If the winning margin was in the 6 digits or mid to high 5 digits in Georgia and other states, then it would be a ridiculous thought.

So I get why Trump was so enraged.  But it's extremely difficult to prove when you don't have... well proof since oversight wasn't at the same level.  Jan 6 was not an insurrection, but a riot.  He should have been charged with inciting a riot.  But politically, insurrection sounds more damning.  The definition of an insurrection is pretty clear in paragraph 3 of the 14th Amendment in the US Constitution.

My 2 cents.

[Pedram]

Throw the centrist Democrats into the bin already.

[Myesyats]

Well a lot of conspiracies tend to be proven true as years go by so I guess it’s not totally out of the realm of possibility even if people scoff at the idea now.

But then again, why would one assume that only one side cheated and the other not at all

Across multiple states too. They’d have to have done it in several swing states not just Georgia.

[Vibe]

From 2011 #WHCD: President Obama's jokes about Donald Trump.

Full video here: https://t.co/CQtPrKB2OJ pic.twitter.com/07wlgSi4QN

— CSPAN (@cspan) April 26, 2020

I remember this, I thought it was very funny, he took a nice dump on top of Trumps head right then and there in front of everyone. I watched it and thought you tell him Obama.

In retrospect... You could tell Trump was cooking inside and at that moment decided to fuck Obama's shit up.

And fuck up Obama's shit he did He was a laughing stock being roasted by the great Obama, today he is a two term president who just dismantled Obama's entire political establishment.

[Casciavit]

Oh and polls were, once again, absolutely useless.  I will never look at one again because it's a waste of time.  Has any American citizen here every been called by one of these pollsters?  I never have and I don't know anyone who has either.  Who are they polling lol.

This was the case in 2016. I don't know why people still trusted polls after that. There is a sizeable portion of shadow Trump supporters if you want to call them that. They won't publicly admit they're voting for him but when it comes to putting in their ballot they do.

If the polls had them close - there was clearly that extra margin Trump had which was again not accounted for the way it should've been.

Anyways I made some good money betting on Trump to become president. He had the following going for him:

- Cult of personality (assassination attempt and court cases)

- More charismatic/likeable than Kamala + owning the libs factor

- He's always going to get his county/redneck (anti-immigration)/high income (lower taxes) votes.

- Although inflation wasn't completely Biden's fault and it was a post-covid effect, the average voter conflates it as being Biden's fault. This had a big impact especially on low income demo.

- It seems like abortion mandates didn't have the effect it was supposed to. Did voters realize Kamala wouldn't have been able to do anything about it? I mean the majority of the supreme court is already republican. The senate and the house are majority republican. Is it to prevent packing the entire supreme court with republicans?

- Young gen z males have become progressively more right wing in the last 3 years. No surprise about Trump's podcast strategy (Rogan, Ross, PBD etc). Good call from his son on encouraging him to do those podcasts.

- Kamala had too much of the Biden stink about her. She was in a tough position because she can't shit on him because she was his VP, but at the same time you can't really advocate you'll do things differently and have people believe you. If you had an influence before why was nothing done?

- Her ducking the podcasts Trump did + choosing to get endorsements from bottom tier trash like Cardi B was also a bad strategic choice. Obama said the black male population wasn't as excited by Kamala as they were with him. Ask yourself why? Well the easy argument is "because she's a woman", but I can't help but feel the democrats' continued entitlement regarding their vote is what contributes too. You claim you care about them, but they don't see any actual change. When you want to get their vote you bring out Megan the Stallion to shake her ass on stage instead of talking about what can actually be done to help better their lives. Don't get me wrong Republicans won't do better for them, but at least they're upfront about who they are lmfao.

- She was a rushed forced candidate. I don't remember her being popular at all before she was endorsed to be president. Seeing celebrities suddenly start to endorse her also added an inauthentic element to her campaign.

- Seems like Kamala lost the arab/muslim vote. Again not surprised. I think muslims know both won't do anything for Palestine, but at least Trump is viewed as being more anti-war compared to Kamala. Now issue with Trump is he might stop the war but let Israel get whatever portion of extra land they desire in the process. With the democrats you know it will be a continual bloodshed. Interesting gamble.

- Elon Musk is the biggest winner in all of this. The world clowned him for overpaying for twitter. He ended up creating a social media platform that enabled right-wing speech under the disguise of free speech. Other big media platforms were censoring a lot of right wing speech in 2020. Now Musk has his government position, and I'm sure he'll get some nice government pay-cheques to help fund his projects. Thankfully I bought Tesla stocks a few weeks ago.

At the end of the day she was running on "We can't let this guy be president again he's Hitler reincarnated" when Trump was already in power before and people didn't really get that vibe from him. It also isn't COVID era anymore where you wanted someone more stable. Americans love the bravado and Trump brings that in spades compared to Kamala's disingenuous word salads.

Again I and others saw this coming, but I'm surprised at the shock of others. Then I went on Reddit and sorted the top news articles in the last month and they were all pro Kamala threads. Topics were about how she was a strong favorite and how Trump was losing his lead. Comment sections were filled with "There's no way anyone can vote for this guy." I guess with the upvote system it's the perfect representation of a liberal echo chamber. Another contributing factor is that when it comes to other social media platforms and the rise of the FYP page - you end up seeing what the algorithm thinks you want to see. Confirmation bias at work.

[Casciavit]

Also this is another issue with the liberal MSM:



No one gives a shit. You've made him an underdog after a continual smear campaign for the last 8 years. I saw more comments claiming this was 'based' and 'badass' than anything else.

[Vibe]

My holdings also increased by like 15-20% since the moment Trump started gaining momentum last night.

Thanks Donald. Already improving economy all around

I think Kamala did have a path to the presidency though. The switch was brilliant. Changed the narrative from lost cause to practically being favorite at one point. Unfortunately Kamala herself was her own undoing because within a month it was obvious she was incompetent. Imagine it was Tulsi Gabbard instead. She would have won.

So the dems have only themselves to blame, just like with Hillary in 2016.

[Pedram]

Reddit is the most botted social media out there. DNC shills actively uses r/politics and other main default subs to push their pro-establishment messages which are absolutely not popular in real life.

[Casciavit]

My holdings also increased by like 15-20% since the moment Trump started gaining momentum last night.

Thanks Donald. Already improving economy all around

I think Kamala did have a path to the presidency though. The switch was brilliant. Changed the narrative from lost cause to practically being favorite at one point. Unfortunately Kamala herself was her own undoing because within a month it was obvious she was incompetent. Imagine it was Tulsi Gabbard instead. She would have won.

So the dems have only themselves to blame, just like with Hillary in 2016.

Yup there was a time period where she did gather momentum - I think especially after her debate with Trump. All things considered she did okay considering she was not popular before, and her campaign was done in a couple of months. I just think over time the cracks started to show and she was never going to win the majority of people over - and that's why she lost the popular vote.

[Casciavit]

Reddit is the most botted social media out there. DNC shills actively uses r/politics and other main default subs to push their pro-establishment messages which are absolutely not popular in real life.

100%.

The live threads last night and the surprise they had lmfao.

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